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Title: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: Dragos Perju on August 25, 2018, 06:28:12 pm
This is our current progress on integrating natively Google Home. The first day we will have the beta version we will post it here and after that we will gather all your feedback and discuss any improvements that you guys can think of.

Here is the link to watch the video:
https://youtu.be/6b1m6bUnnqM (https://youtu.be/6b1m6bUnnqM)
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: quie2droid on August 25, 2018, 07:27:38 pm
This is awesome.  Been waiting on this integration, Alexa still is limited. 

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Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: notchy on August 25, 2018, 07:43:59 pm
Watched the video. Look forward when this is released to production.

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Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: melih on August 25, 2018, 08:21:04 pm
Great work guys!

We as a platform must work with everything out there natively, out of box!
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: RichieB on August 25, 2018, 08:57:15 pm
is there supposed to be audio?
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: stas on August 26, 2018, 12:36:52 am
Can qwe put our names down to sign up for the beta somewhere?
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: jlind on August 27, 2018, 01:07:21 pm
Can't wait.  Put me on the list for testers. 
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: bruring on August 27, 2018, 01:09:06 pm
Looks good! Now I have to use Vera Concierge to do this.
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: physiker123 on August 28, 2018, 03:20:52 am
I'd also like to be a beta tester :)
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: Dragos Perju on August 28, 2018, 04:40:48 am
As soon as I'll have the links for the firmware I will post it here so you guys can test it. We will gather feedback afterwards and improve the implementation if needed. Thanks for the feedback everybody.
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: Ebs on August 28, 2018, 07:40:33 am
Great, I was really waiting for this! In fact I was allready looking for another controller. Very glad I can stay with Vera now.
What will be the timeframe for the availability of this beta? Or is it a plug-in?
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: slajgaj on August 29, 2018, 06:54:11 am
....and Apple Home integration? :) 8)
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: Inzax on August 29, 2018, 07:58:05 am
No line for the google home integration...THANK YOU!

Using VC right now and like it...so if this works i'll be able to unplug or re-assign a box.
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: Petra on August 29, 2018, 09:32:29 am
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Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: jlind on August 30, 2018, 12:25:54 pm
Will the Google Home integration include any functionality to push announcements to the Google device?
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: Dragos Perju on August 30, 2018, 04:58:44 pm
Great, I was really waiting for this! In fact I was allready looking for another controller. Very glad I can stay with Vera now.
What will be the timeframe for the availability of this beta? Or is it a plug-in?

The beta will be scheduled at the end of our current sprint. This would be around mid September if we include also a week of stabilisation.
A firmware upgrade will be necessary to have this available.
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: Dragos Perju on August 30, 2018, 04:59:36 pm
Will the Google Home integration include any functionality to push announcements to the Google device?

Could you please be more specific? What are you referring to?
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: jlind on September 04, 2018, 10:30:56 am
Will the Google Home integration include any functionality to push announcements to the Google device?

Could you please be more specific? What are you referring to?

A nice added feature would be the ability for us to programatically send text to speech broadcasts from the Vera to our Google Homes.  For instance, a "Good Morning" or "Front Door Open" announcement.
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: amg0 on September 04, 2018, 12:53:09 pm
Will the Google Home integration include any functionality to push announcements to the Google device?

Could you please be more specific? What are you referring to?

A nice added feature would be the ability for us to programatically send text to speech broadcasts from the Vera to our Google Homes.  For instance, a "Good Morning" or "Front Door Open" announcement.

or "you have mail" when the postman drops a letter which triggers a zwave door lock sensor sensative strip for instance !
would be really cool

the demo does not show any support for device UPNP actions. maybe UPNP actions can have a friendly text name that google home would recognize and use it to trigger the exec of a particular device UPNP action ( hopefully with parameters taken out of the user's voice instructions )
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: tiwas on September 10, 2018, 11:06:25 am
Excelent news! I just got a Google Home today as I read about the ha-bridge - only to discover it's not working anymore. That kind of sucks.
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: gazmitch on September 13, 2018, 03:58:04 pm
Thanks for this great help :D
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: jlind on September 26, 2018, 02:36:08 pm
Any new word on when the beta will be released?  I'm hoping soon....
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: bobbydoedoe on October 04, 2018, 12:24:48 pm
Any updates on when the beta will be out?
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: cw-kid on October 09, 2018, 09:34:09 am
Glad to finally see some progress on the Google Home integration.

I did start out using Amazon Echo devices but switched to Google Home devices for better free music options.

Currently using Vera Concierge for integration with Vera, which generally works OK.

TTS Text to Speech is crucial. You can do this with Vera Concierge and Vera Alerts plugins but its not 100% reliable and doesn't always work.

Having TTS announcements playout on selected Google Home speakers when certain things happen, like the door bell is pressed, the letter box is opened, the garden gate is opened etc.

Also the Vera / Alexa integration was OK but had some limitations, Its a long time since I used that so I forget, but remember issues with Vera scenes where you would have to say things like "Turn on lounge on" to run a Vera scene called Lounge On and the voice command language just wasn't natural.

Least in Google Home we have shortcuts now called routines where you can setup various phrases to run a particular Vera scene or control a Vera device.

In Vera Concierge you can also set alias names for Vera scenes and devices, as what they are called in Vera which makes sense, usually doesn't make sense from a spoke command. For example I have a device in Vera called "Immersion Heater" as that's what it is, but in Google Home I just say "Turn on the hot water" etc. You can also set nicknames for devices and scenes in the actual Home app.

Also we need to be able to hide certain scenes and devices from the Google Home so that they do not appear in the "Home Control" area of the Home app. There are lots of Vera scenes especially and some devices that I would never want to see in Google Home.

Another nice feature of Vera Concierge is you can also have PLEG actions appear to Google Home, so you could run those as well via voice commands.

Will we be able to query the status of devices and sensors via Google Home ?

"Hey Google is the back door open"

"Hey Google is the kids bedroom light on"

"Hey Google what is the current set point of the thermostat"

 :D
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: jsfaje on October 10, 2018, 04:42:51 pm
Oooh, I just found this thread, I check every once in a while for Google Home support. I am quite excited that I should be able to stay with Vera and GH.

Counting the minutes!
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: asggold on October 10, 2018, 08:28:29 pm
Any word on the GH integration?  Ever since the mid-September date was listed there has no updates nor mention of testing script.  Hopefully this integration was not scrapped since Google Home was just updated.
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: Ebs on October 13, 2018, 03:05:32 pm
Could someone give an update about the beta release date?
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: asggold on October 13, 2018, 03:54:16 pm
Good luck getting anyone from Vera to answer this topic.  I have tried to get an answer in multiple forums, direct messages, posts, etc... NOTHING.  After they me tioned working on this 6 months ago they have not said a word.  I think it might be time to switch to a new router.  Vera is now way behind most of the other brands when it comes to working with Google, Amazon, Android combined.
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: Domoworking on October 13, 2018, 05:32:08 pm
With The release of Google Home Hub and The new Google Home app, I think  native integration is becoming more urgent than ever.
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: lionelandjen on October 15, 2018, 03:32:05 pm
The beta will be scheduled at the end of our current sprint. This would be around mid September if we include also a week of stabilisation.
A firmware upgrade will be necessary to have this available.

Comeon man, you're teasing us with a mid-september date and we're in mid-October!!!!

I'm dying here! :-P
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: bobbydoedoe on October 16, 2018, 06:26:47 pm
Might be just a tease after-all. should jump boat to homeseer
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: asggold on October 17, 2018, 01:04:50 pm
Agreed!  I tried to ask Vera in a message and all they keep saying is to follow this Thread.  Thanks  ::)
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: bmwgcyr on October 18, 2018, 03:16:31 pm
I am also waiting for a native GH for Vera.  Can we beta test.  Can we get an update form Vera dev team?
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: vikes0115 on October 19, 2018, 01:55:38 am
The beta will be scheduled at the end of our current sprint. This would be around mid September if we include also a week of stabilisation.
A firmware upgrade will be necessary to have this available.

Comeon man, you're teasing us with a mid-september date and we're in mid-October!!!!

I'm dying here! :-P

Welcome to life with Vera.  Just look at the still unfinished integration with IFTTT, the release date just kept being pushed back until they stopped even providing any guidance.  Its been more than a year since they finally launched a limited beta and all progress has seemed to have come to a stop.  The new Google Home app integrations with my thermostat, tv, cameras, and other non-Vera devices is so good that I'm looking into my other options to move away from Vera and on to something that has Google Home support.
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: cw-kid on October 19, 2018, 08:37:10 am
@melih @sorin

With the new Google Home app coming out recently, it now has an interactive GUI where you can control devices within the app.

Vera's native integration will need to be a "Home Control" service account for this to work.

On this screenshot I have my Vera devices in the Google Home app via the 3rd party integration Vera Concierge.

Any progress news please on the Vera official integration?
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: Sorin on October 19, 2018, 09:27:57 am
@cw-kid, we already have it  8)

I can't give any time-related news - I'll let Dragos do that.
But I know that we doing some last moment arrangements and then, straight to production.
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: cw-kid on October 19, 2018, 09:40:51 am
Hi

That's good news you have the new Google Home app GUI working with Vera devices!

Can't wait to try the Vera native integration.

Thanks
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: cw-kid on October 19, 2018, 09:50:31 am
@Sorin

What types of devices are supported, just lights and switches?

Or will sensors, like door / window contacts, thermostats, motion sensors etc also appear in the Google Home app GUI ?

If so we can then query by voice "OK Google is the front door open" or "OK Google what is the current setpoint of the thermostat" etc

SmartThings supports other sensor devices in the Google Home app.

Thanks
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: Matsohl on October 19, 2018, 03:29:35 pm
@cw-kid, we already have it  8)

I can't give any time-related news - I'll let Dragos do that.
But I know that we doing some last moment arrangements and then, straight to production.

Great !  :)
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: cw-kid on October 19, 2018, 06:44:40 pm
I've just been talking to another Vera user who is currently migrating away to Homeseer. He said he's been on the Google Home beta for Vera and it's only binary devices aka Lights and Switches, no sensors like the SmartThings integration with Google Home 😂
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: mapolisi on October 21, 2018, 12:19:56 pm
As soon as I'll have the links for the firmware I will post it here so you guys can test it. We will gather feedback afterwards and improve the implementation if needed. Thanks for the feedback everybody.
Can i do beta tester?

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Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: Sorin on October 22, 2018, 05:40:15 am
I've just been talking to another Vera user who is currently migrating away to Homeseer. He said he's been on the Google Home beta for Vera and it's only binary devices aka Lights and Switches, no sensors like the SmartThings integration with Google Home 😂

We did not have any kind of public beta, and although we will not have the full list of devices supported at launch, it will definitely be more than binary devices.
I don't see sensors yet tho, in the supported device list :) https://developers.google.com/actions/smarthome/guides/
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: cw-kid on October 22, 2018, 02:52:05 pm
I've just been talking to another Vera user who is currently migrating away to Homeseer. He said he's been on the Google Home beta for Vera and it's only binary devices aka Lights and Switches, no sensors like the SmartThings integration with Google Home 😂

We did not have any kind of public beta, and although we will not have the full list of devices supported at launch, it will definitely be more than binary devices.
I don't see sensors yet tho, in the supported device list :) https://developers.google.com/actions/smarthome/guides/

@Sorin

Perhaps I was misinformed then, but that guy said he had several bricked Vera units and he was put on to the IFTTT and Google Home beta to keep him happy. When I asked him what was the Google Home integration like with Vera he said:

"GH integration is basic. Only scenes and binary devices are controllable and then only in bound. No outbound triggers from Vera although I did document a workaround using webhooks and altui."

Maybe he was talking about IFTTT beta ? Although he did also say with regards to Vera that he'd "been beta testing GH for a year". So I am not sure.

Anyway I have another online friend who uses SmartThings with Google Home, he has posted some screen shots on one of our Facebook groups, of door contact and motion sensors from his SmartThings in the Google Home app and also a video of him querying his Google Home Mini speaker asking if a certain door is open, so I know that it works now with SmartThings.

Here is what my friend said:

"Just been getting my head around the new home app layout and just noticed that my smartthings contact and motion sensors are showing up as devices. So what do google have planned? Looks to me they are about to jump on the Alexa announcement feature so that google can announce when a sensor has been opened or closed or movement sensed"

Attached are two screen shots he posted of the Google Home app and Home Control devices area, now showing his SmartThings door / window contact sensors and motion sensors.

Its a closed Facebook group, so you would have to join to see the content.

UK Smart Home Automation Group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/471640779941091)

Here (https://www.facebook.com/groups/471640779941091/permalink/547285039043331/) was the topic with the screen shots and there is the video in the comments.

Video link (https://www.facebook.com/woodesignz/videos/2189144001098187/)
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: cw-kid on October 22, 2018, 02:55:55 pm
I don't think the native Vera integration with Alexa does that either with other sensors like door / window and motion sensors. Amazon have also recently started supporting those device types, so you can query Alexa for their current status and such.
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: cw-kid on October 22, 2018, 03:05:34 pm
Just seen the following from a SmartThings support FAQ webpage:

https://support.smartthings.com/hc/en-gb/articles/214609826-Google-Assistant-and-SmartThings-FAQ#Certified

How do contact sensors work with Google Assistant?
Google Assistant can tell you the current state of your contact sensors.

Here are some example phrases:

Ok Google, is my front door open?

Ok Google, is my bedroom window open?
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: Sorin on October 23, 2018, 04:23:10 am
I know that Alexa will support sensors and it's new "Guard" feature. We have that on our tabs as well
The same thing for GH, it will be launched with a limited number of devices and we will build on top of that.
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: alpha1 on October 25, 2018, 03:39:18 am
Does Vera google concierge allow GH to view devices?
Since the hue bridge broke 9months ago I have lost interest until today when my Google home hub arrived...

What's the best way for Google to control my Vera (Fibaro) lights?

I don't know if I want to move to homeseer just yet

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Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: cw-kid on October 25, 2018, 07:10:18 am
Yes Vera Concierge enables you to have your Vera devices in the Google Home app as "Home Control" devices.

Binary Light and Switch devices are supported.
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: givapva on October 25, 2018, 09:22:24 am
but all sensors like: temperature, humidity, door, etc ...  as well as thermostats not works with vera concierge.  it?s show in vera concierge, but not in ggogle home app.
switchs dimmers curtain is ok!
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: lionelandjen on October 31, 2018, 01:43:26 pm
This would be around mid September if we include also a week of stabilisation.

Any new news on this?

I have spent enough time of my life on the software development side of the world to understand that any date is tentative at this point.  However, are we 50%, 75%, 95% there?

Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: jsfaje on November 02, 2018, 12:37:09 pm
I just moved a couple lights over to a Smartthings hub so I can use Google Home with them. I would love to move all my stuff back to Vera, but the wait is becoming a little frustrating.
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: brucehvn on November 02, 2018, 06:57:38 pm
So how will this work?  I'm still on UI5.  I saw one post that said something about firmware when this is ready.  Does that mean I'll have to bite the bullet and go to UI7?  I have a vera lite.  Is it going to be supported?
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: pmdsaude on November 09, 2018, 12:07:35 pm
I only found this thread now and I was confused
I have been contacting Vera's support for some time now and the last response has disappointed me and it will not go against what was said here.

Last October 14 from Customer Care Advocate :
"Hi Pedro,

We still don?t have an exact date for it. Although we are surely working on it, it is not among our top priority as we have other features that have been requested by a bigger amount of customers and we always prioritize that kind of situations. Thanks for you understanding.

Regards,"

Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: Matsohl on November 09, 2018, 12:40:38 pm
Although we are surely working on it, it is not among our top priority as we have other features that have been requested by a bigger amount of customers and we always prioritize that kind of situations.

If one of the "features" is higher stability I'm all for it, although I'm also a owner of a GH
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: mht on November 09, 2018, 01:53:13 pm
If you like me is tiered of waiting for native Google Home integration I would recommend Home Assistant https://www.home-assistant.io (https://www.home-assistant.io). A bit if a learning curve, but besides Google Home integration you will get a whole lot of other interesting and useful HA integration options https://www.home-assistant.io/components/ (https://www.home-assistant.io/components/)

I am considering moving all my HA logic and front end to Home Assistant and only keep Vera as a Z-wave controller.
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: brucehvn on November 09, 2018, 02:28:40 pm
If you like me is tiered of waiting for native Google Home integration I would recommend Home Assistant https://www.home-assistant.io (https://www.home-assistant.io). A bit if a learning curve, but besides Google Home integration you will get a whole lot of other interesting and useful HA integration options https://www.home-assistant.io/components/ (https://www.home-assistant.io/components/)

I am considering moving all my HA logic and front end to Home Assistant and only keep Vera as a Z-wave controller.

Very interesting.  So if I understand correctly, it knows how to read all your devices from Vera and control them with their own UI?  Does it support most devices in vera like thermostats, etc?
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: mht on November 09, 2018, 03:46:37 pm
You can read more about Vera Home Assistant integration here https://www.home-assistant.io/components/vera/ (https://www.home-assistant.io/components/vera/).

I now control Vera switches, dimmers, lights, blinds and scenes from Home Assistant UI and from Google Assistant and Google home. I haven’t got any thermostats so I don’t know if they will work.

I am thinking of replacing my Vera logic (PLEG) with Node Red (available as a component/add on in Home Assistant https://github.com/hassio-addons/addon-node-red (https://github.com/hassio-addons/addon-node-red))
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: asggold on November 09, 2018, 04:09:14 pm
You can read more about Vera Home Assistant integration here https://www.home-assistant.io/components/vera/ (https://www.home-assistant.io/components/vera/).

I now control Vera switches, dimmers, lights, blinds and scenes from Home Assistant UI and from Google Assistant and Google home. I haven?t got any thermostats so I don?t know if they will work.

I am thinking of replacing my Vera logic (PLEG) with Node Red (available as a component/add on in Home Assistant https://github.com/hassio-addons/addon-node-red (https://github.com/hassio-addons/addon-node-red))

I actually have all this running through Home Assistant as well.  Thermostats do work.  The problem is just the extra device that must be in the middle of this hosting Home Assistant.  If Vera wants to compete int he Home Automation world they need to make their device natively work with Google Home versus only working as a secondary device.  As you can see from the lack of responses on this board and many other boards, I would not hold my breath expecting this to happen.
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: Inzax on November 09, 2018, 04:13:22 pm
You can read more about Vera Home Assistant integration here https://www.home-assistant.io/components/vera/ (https://www.home-assistant.io/components/vera/).

I now control Vera switches, dimmers, lights, blinds and scenes from Home Assistant UI and from Google Assistant and Google home. I haven?t got any thermostats so I don?t know if they will work.

I am thinking of replacing my Vera logic (PLEG) with Node Red (available as a component/add on in Home Assistant https://github.com/hassio-addons/addon-node-red (https://github.com/hassio-addons/addon-node-red))

I played with HA for a few days, linked to my vera controller.  I like it...but experienced some odd behavior.  My concord 4 seemed to launch various scenes on the vera when I would arm/disarm.  I say various...actually on several occasions it was ALL OF THEM.  Garage door going up, water getting shut off, fans turning on, lights turning on, tv's...etc..  This ONLY happened when the vera was connected to HA.

I think it is probably the concord 4 and how it works through the vera causing the issue. 

I think the way to go with HA is with the Hass.io on a linux box.  Something I don't have at the moment.  On windows, HA works fine but there are limits on windows that you wont experience on Linux.  PLUS it is much easier in my opinion to set up SSL on Hass.io for remote access.  Setting up "letsencrypt" on windows about drove me insane. 
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: roblor on November 10, 2018, 11:13:22 am
Home Assistant Cloud

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After the free trial the subscription costs $5 per month.
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: Tarkus on November 11, 2018, 03:20:10 pm
While waiting for native integration I have been using IFTTT webhooks for Google Home Vera integration. Yes you do have to open Veras port  so I would not use it for security related devices / locks etc. Keep in mind you can limit  incoming connections to IFTTT's IP range depending on your routers capabilities. I use a Asus router which supports this.  It is pretty easy to set up and works flawlessly..
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: Domoworking on November 12, 2018, 05:39:13 pm
While waiting for native integration I have been using IFTTT webhooks for Google Home Vera integration. Yes you do have to open Veras port  so I would not use it for security related devices / locks etc. Keep in mind you can limit  incoming connections to IFTTT's IP range depending on your routers capabilities. I use a Asus router which supports this.  It is pretty easy to set up and works flawlessly..

This is a great example of how to overtake Vera limits.
But I think how easy is to setup a Philips Hue gateway and Light and then connect them to Google Home.... This is the way it should go  :(
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: gniknalu on November 12, 2018, 06:11:01 pm
This is our current progress on integrating natively Google Home. The first day we will have the beta version we will post it here and after that we will gather all your feedback and discuss any improvements that you guys can think of.

Has this become Beta yet or is it still in the vapor stages?   ;)
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: Domoworking on November 13, 2018, 02:48:37 am
Who knows?
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: gregl on November 13, 2018, 06:16:47 pm
Yes Homa Assistant will cost you $5/m to use its cloud service whihc is needed to connect Google Home with Home Assistant....
Or just use Openhab which is equally powerful and its cloud service for free. Ive been using my Vera as a simple Zwave gateway for years now talking to Openhab and its fantastic! I only ever access Vera to add/remove a zwave device...all logic runs on Openhab.

(The cloud services for both HA and OH are only needed for Google Home and remote access if you dont want to do port forwarding/webproxy setup )
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: Inzax on November 14, 2018, 07:38:38 am
Yes Homa Assistant will cost you $5/m to use its cloud service whihc is needed to connect Google Home with Home Assistant....
Or just use Openhab which is equally powerful and its cloud service for free. Ive been using my Vera as a simple Zwave gateway for years now talking to Openhab and its fantastic! I only ever access Vera to add/remove a zwave device...all logic runs on Openhab.

(The cloud services for both HA and OH are only needed for Google Home and remote access if you dont want to do port forwarding/webproxy setup )

When I interfaced HA with Vera it showed all my zwave devices, scenes and even my Concord 4 security devices.   I had some issues with HA running scenes that were managed on the Vera.   HA would run ALL my scenes in succession when turning OFF my concord 4.  Turned my house to a Disco.  Removing the scenes from Vera and moving them to HA is the answer. 

I will say the HA interface seems nicer.  Probably because I have complete authority on how it looks.  I have not settled on HA and just started tinkering with Openhab. 

What in your opinion is the biggest benefit Openhab has over HA?  OR, is it a wash...just user preference.
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: JY07 on November 22, 2018, 10:14:17 am
If you like me is tiered of waiting for native Google Home integration I would recommend Home Assistant https://www.home-assistant.io (https://www.home-assistant.io). A bit if a learning curve, but besides Google Home integration you will get a whole lot of other interesting and useful HA integration options https://www.home-assistant.io/components/ (https://www.home-assistant.io/components/)

I am considering moving all my HA logic and front end to Home Assistant and only keep Vera as a Z-wave controller.

I stumbled on this post a week or two ago and am glad I did:  I had an old raspberry pi (that was running vera concierge at one point, just wasn't working that well) that I installed this on, deleted all of my scenes and apps (ecobee + MyQ) from Vera and added them to HA, and everything's running great.  At this point my Vera is just used as a zwave controller like you mentioned.

Setting up the integration for google assistant was a bit awkward with creating the test app and everything, but it works better than anything I had previously setup.

I pulled out all of the scenes from Vera since some just weren't acting rationally:  I had a simple pair of scenes on some rooms that would turn on the room light when the door was open, and turn it off when the door closed.  I think in one of the Vera updates they must have added some sort of 'retry' functionality because sometimes opening/closing the door quickly resulted in vera flickering the light on and off a few times with it sticking on, even though the door was closed.

One of the other nice things is I had the outdoor lights tied to the 'day/night' app in Vera so they'd turn on at an offset of sunset, but at some points in the year it seemed like they were turning on too late: in HA I have it tied to the elevation of the sun instead; hopefully this timing will work better year round.

Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: brucehvn on November 26, 2018, 08:30:35 am
I had some extra raspberry pi units laying around, so I used the HA image and fired it up.  It took a couple days to get it mostly configured, but it is now working and Google Home works just fine.  I did the manual integration for Google Assistant, so there's no $5/month subscription, but it is quite a lot of steps to follow to get it working.

Now I'm in the process of moving my vera scenes over to HA automations which will then relegate vera to just being a z-wave controller as others have said.  My main reason for sticking with vera was the ability to easily program my own plug-ins to customize it to my household.  Now I can see with HA, I can also do that, so my reasons for hanging on so long are starting to fade.
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: TrevorW on November 26, 2018, 09:05:34 am
If you like me is tiered of waiting for native Google Home integration I would recommend Home Assistant https://www.home-assistant.io (https://www.home-assistant.io). A bit if a learning curve, but besides Google Home integration you will get a whole lot of other interesting and useful HA integration options https://www.home-assistant.io/components/ (https://www.home-assistant.io/components/)

I am considering moving all my HA logic and front end to Home Assistant and only keep Vera as a Z-wave controller.

I stumbled on this post a week or two ago and am glad I did:  I had an old raspberry pi (that was running vera concierge at one point, just wasn't working that well) that I installed this on, deleted all of my scenes and apps (ecobee + MyQ) from Vera and added them to HA, and everything's running great.  At this point my Vera is just used as a zwave controller like you mentioned.

Setting up the integration for google assistant was a bit awkward with creating the test app and everything, but it works better than anything I had previously setup.

I pulled out all of the scenes from Vera since some just weren't acting rationally:  I had a simple pair of scenes on some rooms that would turn on the room light when the door was open, and turn it off when the door closed.  I think in one of the Vera updates they must have added some sort of 'retry' functionality because sometimes opening/closing the door quickly resulted in vera flickering the light on and off a few times with it sticking on, even though the door was closed.

One of the other nice things is I had the outdoor lights tied to the 'day/night' app in Vera so they'd turn on at an offset of sunset, but at some points in the year it seemed like they were turning on too late: in HA I have it tied to the elevation of the sun instead; hopefully this timing will work better year round.

I have issues with Aeotec ZW098 LED bulbs where Vera hangs waiting for the node to reply then once the reply is received all subsequent commands are issued, almost at the point of completely ditching the ZW098's but not sure if the issue iswith them or the vera
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: Khaztr on November 30, 2018, 06:39:57 pm
Lol, I'm surprised to see how many of us have come to the conclusion that Home Assistant is just the way to go with Vera.  Screw UI7, just use Vera as your Z-wave hub and do all your automations on HA's side.  My home automation has been so much more stable and dependable since I made the switch over a year ago.
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: Inzax on November 30, 2018, 07:28:19 pm
Lol, I'm surprised to see how many of us have come to the conclusion that Home Assistant is just the way to go with Vera.  Screw UI7, just use Vera as your Z-wave hub and do all your automations on HA's side.  My home automation has been so much more stable and dependable since I made the switch over a year ago.

I like HA.  However, I tried to cheat a bit and leave some of my automations on Vera.  That did not work out so well.  Had a situation where every single automation/scene triggered at the same time when I disarmed my concord4.  Turned my house into a disco with garage doors opening, water shutting off, etc...

Best to move everything to HA and like you said, use vera as just a zwave hub.

Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: delahk on December 14, 2018, 02:47:56 pm
Great, I was really waiting for this! In fact I was allready looking for another controller. Very glad I can stay with Vera now.
What will be the timeframe for the availability of this beta? Or is it a plug-in?

The beta will be scheduled at the end of our current sprint. This would be around mid September if we include also a week of stabilisation.
A firmware upgrade will be necessary to have this available.

@Dragos, do you know when this integration will be released?
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: stas on December 15, 2018, 03:10:03 am
Any updates? assuming this wont be live in 2018
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: Thinkfire on December 15, 2018, 01:03:18 pm
Don't hold your breath.  It's been years now since GH was taunted in an attempt to keep people from leaving.   

Vera has no advantages anymore if you need to install HA.

Just use a basic z-wave controller and let HA do your logic.  With Loveless UI, it's just as easy, and more robust.  I've also moved my stuff from Wink to HA.   Thanks to Vera for introducing me to HA.  I resisted it at first but it's worth it.  You can now leave Vera as they don't seem to want to get on board with Google.  *Shrug*
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: brucehvn on December 15, 2018, 01:23:00 pm
I really liked the fact that vera was an all-in-one box.  I have always had a server running here and in the old days, I used MisterHouse with my X10 stuff.  That's probably why I was a little reluctant to go back to a system like HA where I would need to run it again on some box.  But with the advent of the Raspberry pi and other microcontrollers, it's so easy now to set it up as a dedicated box and stuff it away somewhere.  Plus it's even smaller than my vera lite, so it's much more palatable.
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: harmonr1 on December 17, 2018, 12:00:44 am
I just ordered a Raspberry Pi to run HA, although grudgingly.  My complaint isn't that it's taking so long for Vera to support Google, but rather the total and complete lack of communication from the developers. No updates, no progress reports, almost nothing.  If I ran a project this way, I'd be fired in short order.  So Vera gets relegated to an expensive z-wave hub. :(
 
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: stas on December 18, 2018, 04:56:43 am
I have been using this (https://www.rkmsmarthome.com.au/store/p165/Z-Wave_Automation_Bridge.html#/) it has worked well and gets regular updated but....... I was looking forward to shutting it off and 'cutting out he middle man'

Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: Wuzoink on December 19, 2018, 04:51:17 am
Any updates??
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: sjtefke on December 21, 2018, 07:01:15 am
Any update or roadmap on GH integration ?
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: IKROWNI on December 25, 2018, 01:34:53 am
Well looks like we aren't getting this for Xmas. And I'm really not surprised there isn't any answer here anymore. I've been using these products for years and never got much support.once I find a company that sells decent hardware at a reasonable price with competent software devs I'm outta here
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: flavio.broma on December 27, 2018, 05:41:47 am
.. VERA support... are you reading this post? are you guys working on VERA integration for Google home/Google assistant?

just please let us know

- NO
or
- YES and ETA.. 1 month? 1 year? etc..

so we can decide.. in any case, as many pointed out.. this train is leaving.. VERA BETTER TO JUMP/INTEGRATE.. or this world spin fast!!

Regards,
Flavio.
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: Ivens54 on December 27, 2018, 07:41:17 am
Install a Raspberry Pi with Hassbian. Install after that Vera en Google assistant within Hassbian.
All tutorials are finding on the internet. Works fine!! (In English)!!

https://www.home-assistant.io/docs/installation/hassbian/installation/
https://www.home-assistant.io/components/vera/
https://www.home-assistant.io/components/google_assistant/
https://console.actions.google.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=uk-_8xomZac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=iS_88VzrFuw
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: jlind on December 27, 2018, 10:57:13 am
Melih/Sorin have already stated in other places in the forum that they plan on integrating Google Home and that it is a priority.  They've also stated that they're currently in the process of rewriting all of the code with an emphasis on stability and faster development.  It's going to take time and clearly the code rewrite needs to happen first.  I'm sure Melih knows that without both Alexa AND Google Home there is currently no chance of success in home automation.  It's a simple win/win for both him and his customers.  He'll make more money AND his customers will be happier. 

Remember, much of Melih's credibility rides on his first published update after taking ownership.  I wouldn't expect his first update to include massive noticeable changes and new options either.  If he provides a rock solid stable environment and nothing else with his first update then it would be a HUGE success that he can work from.  I also wouldn't expect Google Home until probably a couple months after his first update that he's stated would be around April of 2019.
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: Ivens54 on December 29, 2018, 12:23:28 pm
Anyone a voice command in google home to set vera mode on home, away or night?

I have integrated vera and google home in Home Assistant
0.84.3 on my raspberry pi.
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: Inzax on December 31, 2018, 08:33:00 am
Anyone a voice command in google home to set vera mode on home, away or night?

I have integrated vera and google home in Home Assistant
0.84.3 on my raspberry pi.

I created a scene on my vera for the various modes.  "hey google, run Night Mode"   
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: Clems on January 22, 2019, 08:37:04 am
Hi !

Any news of the dev team ?
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: tdahli on January 22, 2019, 09:29:52 am
Any news about the beta and/or a 1.0 version?
It is January 2019 now.
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: jadragescu on January 24, 2019, 01:26:17 pm
Yes, I second that!  Any updates?  Not sure why this thread has seemed to not get much traction lately regarding Google Home/Assistant Native Integration.

Beta or some version release would be awesome and long time waiting for the Vera community!!!

Cheers!
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: delma5 on January 25, 2019, 05:51:10 pm
me too , waiting for GH integration, and zig bee aqara device comunications
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: redlow on January 26, 2019, 09:29:28 am
Been following with anticipation. I am still using Vera Concierge, which helps bridge the gap.. but like others, I am looking for a native solution. The home assistant that others discussed looks interesting, but I am not enthused about taking on yet another monthly subscription cost... So I'll wait for a bit longer.

Definitely would love to try the beta firmware if that gets offered.

Well, here's hoping we hear something shortly.



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Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: lionelandjen on January 28, 2019, 09:51:44 am
I'm starting to get a little discouraged by the delay and lack of communication.

Folks in this group would be thrilled to offer their services for a beta test.  we all understand what beta means!
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: Clems on January 28, 2019, 09:55:39 am
I'm starting to get a little discouraged by the delay and lack of communication.

Folks in this group would be thrilled to offer their services for a beta test.  we all understand what beta means!

Me too.
I will start to consider to change my ZWave controller brand :(
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: sanderbaks on January 28, 2019, 09:57:01 am
Same here .. Maybe what other controllers could be considered?  Fibaro ? They have Google integration?
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: redlow on January 28, 2019, 08:10:44 pm
Me too.
I will start to consider to change my ZWave controller brand :(

Every time I time I think along the same line, I start doing some research and then conclude that I should stick with what I have.  Things seem to point to Smartthings, but then I read some of the reviews and am put off.  I am starting to get a bit flustered (I also feel that there haven't been that many improvements overall to my Vera). 
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: vikes0115 on January 28, 2019, 09:37:59 pm

Every time I time I think along the same line, I start doing some research and then conclude that I should stick with what I have.  Things seem to point to Smartthings, but then I read some of the reviews and am put off.  I am starting to get a bit flustered (I also feel that there haven't been that many improvements overall to my Vera).

Smartthings seems to be what my research points to giving a try to next as well.  The big thing with them are the troubles related to their cloud service; but I think that's going to be an issue with any cloud service.  I have decided though if Vera abandons local processing and goes cloud based (as their new devices at CES seem to be pointing towards), I'll be giving Smartthings a try.  With the resources Samsung has and the experience Smartthings already has at doing this in the cloud and yet their still having problems, I'd hate to see the sh*t show the first cloud based Vera will be.  I was hopeful when the new ownership took over, but instead of seeing IFTTT and Google Home finally launch (since both were "nearly done" months ago) I'm no longer seeing any forward progress at all.  All of their products to date being concepts instead of in production, actually purchasable and useable products; which doesn't give me any more confidence.
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: walshchristopherj on February 07, 2019, 08:29:26 pm
I switched to Smartthings and couldn't be happier with my Google Home integration. I have had no issues at all.
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: sanderbaks on February 25, 2019, 02:03:32 am
OMG!!  Any news here. This is horrible. The whole world is on Google. Except Vera.


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Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: Clems on February 25, 2019, 02:37:09 am
OMG!!  Any news here. This is horrible. The whole world is on Google. Except Vera.


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Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: sanderbaks on February 25, 2019, 08:12:11 am
Just purchased Smartthings. Done with it.


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Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: vikes0115 on February 25, 2019, 09:33:13 am
OMG!!  Any news here. This is horrible. The whole world is on Google. Except Vera.


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Not any good news.  I asked in the 7.29 Core Firmware Release thread if Google integration was coming before UI8 and received no response.  I take that to mean it won't come until UI8, whenever they actually release that.  Or, considering Vera's track record, possibly never.
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: rafale77 on February 25, 2019, 01:07:14 pm

Every time I time I think along the same line, I start doing some research and then conclude that I should stick with what I have.  Things seem to point to Smartthings, but then I read some of the reviews and am put off.  I am starting to get a bit flustered (I also feel that there haven't been that many improvements overall to my Vera).

Smartthings seems to be what my research points to giving a try to next as well.  The big thing with them are the troubles related to their cloud service; but I think that's going to be an issue with any cloud service.  I have decided though if Vera abandons local processing and goes cloud based (as their new devices at CES seem to be pointing towards), I'll be giving Smartthings a try.  With the resources Samsung has and the experience Smartthings already has at doing this in the cloud and yet their still having problems, I'd hate to see the sh*t show the first cloud based Vera will be.  I was hopeful when the new ownership took over, but instead of seeing IFTTT and Google Home finally launch (since both were "nearly done" months ago) I'm no longer seeing any forward progress at all.  All of their products to date being concepts instead of in production, actually purchasable and useable products; which doesn't give me any more confidence.

Based on my experience over the past year or so, anything cloud is inherently fragile. Companies and servers go out of business or get taken over. You don't know whether the service will stay up, get obsoleted or if they will force you to upgrade devices, charge you for services and what happens to your data. I have been actively getting rid of any device which is unnecessarily relying on the cloud. The native integration to google home or echo you are asking for would be a cloud to cloud service just like IFTT which are both complete nonsense if you have a local alternativ. The fact that Google home is forcing a cloud to cloud only control for the hue basically eliminated google devices from my home. My nest protect is next on the list of items to get rid of. The downside of cloud reliance are pretty well known as SmartThing users have experienced: Latency, reliability, privacy, security and long term sustainability. It is why a group of ST hardcore users ended up founding hubitat which is a local based ST. There are and will always be functionalities which will be in the cloud because they make sense. Home device control, monitoring and automation is not one of them. I understand many of you have not looked much into this and just got sold on google home and just want it to work. Just be sure you know what you are getting into with it.

Cloud makes sense only if the
1. The processing power and time required for what you want to do exceeds the power and time it takes to send the data out, get it processed and get the result back.
2. The source of the data is outside the house to begin with and therefore you would need to rely on an external connection anyway.
In any other case, we are just adding unnecessary liability and failure points to the system.
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: Don Phillips on February 25, 2019, 07:51:15 pm
OMG!!  Any news here. This is horrible. The whole world is on Google. Except Vera.


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Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: sanderbaks on March 03, 2019, 07:41:20 am
Soo .. Smartthings isn't supported yet in the Netherland .. So no luck there :( :(
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: reneboer on March 04, 2019, 07:09:32 am
Hi,

Melith indicated that Google integration would be in the upcoming release.

Cheers Rene
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: sanderbaks on March 05, 2019, 02:39:46 am
Hi,

Melith indicated that Google integration would be in the upcoming release.

Cheers Rene


Is there an (rough) ETA for that release?
Havent seen any batas yet? Or am i wrong?


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Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: ranneman on March 05, 2019, 02:57:45 am
Beta (including Google home integration) is announced for end of March. http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,121477.0.html
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: thomasx on March 07, 2019, 08:25:44 am
And more than six months later
there is
still
nothing
?
Title: Re: Vera Native Integration for Google Home
Post by: lionelandjen on March 07, 2019, 11:22:00 am
And more than six months later
there is
still
nothing
?
Beta (including Google home integration) is announced for end of March. http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,121477.0.html

CAN. NOT. WAIT!