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Title: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: lingerba on October 09, 2015, 09:47:27 am
Is anyone using this yet?  It looks like it has finally been released.  http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/harmony-home-hub-extender

It specifically lists VeraEdge as a compatible device.  It goes on to say:

Harmony Home Hub Extender can join the existing Z-Wave network for this Vera MCV Vera Edge. This allows you to view and control the devices currently connected to your MCV Vera Edge from both Harmony and Vera apps. Harmony supports model number: MCV Vera Edge.
- https://support.myharmony.com/en-us/compatibility#hubextender

It seems like because of the description above, it should be just as compatible with VeraLite as it is with VeraEdge, but I'm not sure.  I was hoping to get some feedback if anyone has tried it out yet.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: qwen3579 on October 09, 2015, 11:26:49 am
I just ordered mine. I'll report back once I give it a go.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: integlikewhoa on October 09, 2015, 01:36:51 pm
I just ordered mine. I'll report back once I give it a go.

Not sure if any of this is needed if you already have a VERA.

It has Z-wave and zigbee built in like a controller. Are you guys also buying a 130.00 home control remote with HUB to make this work?
I'm trying to see the benefit of this vs. say the FREE Phillips Hue bridge that allows you to turn on and off your lights via Home control remote to the VERA.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: lingerba on October 09, 2015, 01:42:17 pm
That is why I was curious to see what people thought about it prior to buying it.  Right now I am using the Kira IR receiver to use my Harmony to control lights, etc.  It works fine, but from start it finish there is a lot to setup (including the Harmony setup, Kira setup, Vera scene setup, etc.)  and it is a pain to make changes.  I am hoping the Hub Extender makes it easier.

I found it interesting that the Harmony Hub without the extender works directly with SmartThings with nothing else needed.  I wish it would work with Vera like that.

@integlikewhoa, can you tell me more / share a link to detail about the Phillips Hue bridge that you are talking about.  I don't have any Hue bulbs, can this still be an option for me?
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: qwen3579 on October 09, 2015, 04:44:41 pm
I just ordered mine. I'll report back once I give it a go.

Not sure if any of this is needed if you already have a VERA.

It has Z-wave and zigbee built in like a controller. Are you guys also buying a 130.00 home control remote with HUB to make this work?
I'm trying to see the benefit of this vs. say the FREE Phillips Hue bridge that allows you to turn on and off your lights via Home control remote to the VERA.

Uh... I wasn't aware of the Hue bridge solution...  :-\
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: integlikewhoa on October 09, 2015, 04:55:55 pm
I found it interesting that the Harmony Hub without the extender works directly with SmartThings with nothing else needed.  I wish it would work with Vera like that.

@integlikewhoa, can you tell me more / share a link to detail about the Phillips Hue bridge that you are talking about.  I don't have any Hue bulbs, can this still be an option for me?

Bit of info in laymans terms that even I can understand.

I have not one HUE device either, so we are the same. I have a VERA (alot of devices) and I have a Harmony Home Remote which comes with the Harmony HUB. I also have an Amazon ECHO but that is not needed.

What it all started out with was a emulator or Fake Hue HUB (software) which runs on JAVA. This can run on a windows computer (has to be left on) or a Raspberry Pi. I have opted for a PI myself.

We had our amazon echo that communicates with HUE lights. We have our Harmony Hub that also communicates with hue lights. Someone (don't know who was the first but there are several software updates and new versions out now) created this HUE Hub emulator that sends commands to VERA via HTTP and can turn on, off and dim your devices. Well ECHO and Harmony Hub also can communicate to it.

So now I have a Raspberry PI running a HUE HUB BRIDGE software and it plays the middle man. I can tell echo to turn on living room light or I can press the light button on the Harmony HUB and they both talk to the raspberry PI which sends HTTP command to VERA to turn ON,OFF or DIM lights. You can also run scenes or other things in order to control non standard groups or devices like AC controls or the like.

Now setup you might think is hard or difficult and I would say the hardest part is running the file on Raspberry Pi. I never used a PI before and the instuctions on this forum is good, but it does take bit of learning if you never used a PI to download a file to the pi and tell it to run this now and every time the PI is rebooted. Now it is rock solid, never crashes, is on wifi, uses little power, is very small, can be used for other projects. Once your up and running on the PI i can unplug and re-plug, move it anywhere in the house and it just works again.

Setting up the VERA is easy. There is a web UI that you login to the Raspberry PI IP after the software is running on it. Enter your vera IP and it find all your devices in the VERA and will create Http commands and setup each device you choose to put a check box next to. After that you can now use your ECHO or Harmony Hub Discovery setting/button to search for a HUE HUB (which you ofcourse don't own but have a fake) and it will find all the devices you have just created in the Web UI of the PI.

From there it works just like anything else.

Here is some info and this is a big thread but the latest software is on post #772 as of today.
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,31920.msg251520.html#msg251520

Instructions for install are further back. 
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: integlikewhoa on October 09, 2015, 05:19:37 pm
Uh... I wasn't aware of the Hue bridge solution...  :-\

Well in your defense we need a guinea pig and maybe it will offer us some knowledge or extra features we currently don't have. If you don't have a Raspberry PI or windows computer on all the time you would need a 40-70.00 pi unit anyways so you would save a bit.

The Pi and Bridge software are more versatile as it works with other devices besides just the Harmony HUB. My Amazon Echo for example. Really it in theory should work with anything that can connect with a HUE Hub.

If you have multiple rooms and Harmony Remotes does one Extender work with every remote or do you need one per room/remote?

I only use the cheaper HOME remote not the ultimate. It only has 4 home control buttons. So I only really control lights and fan in that one room and have a scene to run all off and a hallway light for leaving the room. I'm assuming the ultimate remote can make more buttons on the touch screen part and control more devices. So to make things clear I don't find the remote useful outside the room much. Each remote for me is only good for a very limited task and is mostly limited to that room. If I needed more or wanted to use the Harmony HUB phone app to control more I wouldn't. While I have my phone out I would rather use the Imperihome app on my phone witch I have every light and current state showing on their.

So I'm not sure if you guys are using it for more but I feel it doesn't make much sense to control much outside of the room with that remote due to lack of buttons.

What are your guys thoughts and current uses for the HUB to control VERA?
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: qwen3579 on October 12, 2015, 08:47:53 am
Well hell....I just setup the bridge on my Windows server and I'm able to do exactly what I was aiming to do with the home control buttons on the remote. Looks like I need to cancel/return the Hub Extender.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: lingerba on October 12, 2015, 09:01:31 am
Well hell....I just setup the bridge on my Windows server and I'm able to do exactly what I was aiming to do with the home control buttons on the remote. Looks like I need to cancel/return the Hub Extender.

I set up the bridge on a Windows PC this weekend too.  I am able to do everything that I want to, but it isn't 100% how I want it.  My two issues on the Harmony-side are:

Another issue I have is that when my Windows PC is restarted, I lose the devices from my bridge settings.  I am thinking this is a user error of some type, but I can't figure out how to get the devices to save.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: qwen3579 on October 12, 2015, 09:40:07 am
I have the same issue with devices as well. I suspect it is due to not being able to store/write to the the devices.db file -

"[qtp32559373-35] ERROR com.bwssystems.HABridge.dao.DeviceRepository - Error writing the file: data\device.db message: data\device.db"

I don't see the directory or file so it may be a configuration issue like you stated.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: alpha1 on October 12, 2015, 09:55:01 am
Well hell....I just setup the bridge on my Windows server and I'm able to do exactly what I was aiming to do with the home control buttons on the remote. Looks like I need to cancel/return the Hub Extender.

I set up the bridge on a Windows PC this weekend too.  I am able to do everything that I want to, but it isn't 100% how I want it.  My two issues on the Harmony-side are:
  • I can't include the "Hue Devices" in any activity which means that I have to switch the remote from the current activity to "Devices" and then control the items (I am not sure if this would be any different with the Hub Extender)
  • I can't change the order of the devices.  It looks like they show up in the same order as they do on the bridge configuration, but I can't figure out how to change the order there either.  Sometimes when I add a device it goes to the bottom of the list and sometimes to the top of the list.

Another issue I have is that when my Windows PC is restarted, I lose the devices from my bridge settings.  I am thinking this is a user error of some type, but I can't figure out how to get the devices to save.

So are you both able to have a scene in Vera to power the TV on and other tasks?

I have been looking for a while for a method in which Vera can powers on a TV for a scene
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: qwen3579 on October 12, 2015, 09:57:00 am
I do. That is handled by the Harmony Hub app in Vera. We're talking about the Phillips Hue Bridge emulator which allows the remote control z-wave devices.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: lingerba on October 12, 2015, 09:57:34 am
Well hell....I just setup the bridge on my Windows server and I'm able to do exactly what I was aiming to do with the home control buttons on the remote. Looks like I need to cancel/return the Hub Extender.

I set up the bridge on a Windows PC this weekend too.  I am able to do everything that I want to, but it isn't 100% how I want it.  My two issues on the Harmony-side are:
  • I can't include the "Hue Devices" in any activity which means that I have to switch the remote from the current activity to "Devices" and then control the items (I am not sure if this would be any different with the Hub Extender)
  • I can't change the order of the devices.  It looks like they show up in the same order as they do on the bridge configuration, but I can't figure out how to change the order there either.  Sometimes when I add a device it goes to the bottom of the list and sometimes to the top of the list.

Another issue I have is that when my Windows PC is restarted, I lose the devices from my bridge settings.  I am thinking this is a user error of some type, but I can't figure out how to get the devices to save.

So are you both able to have a scene in Vera to power the TV on and other tasks?

I have been looking for a while for a method in which Vera can powers on a TV for a scene

Yes, I have been able to do that all along with the Harmony app for Vera.  Vera has (mostly) always been able to control the Harmony.  The new(er) part is having the Harmony control Vera.  The thing you need in both cases is a Harmony remote that includes the Home Hub (not the Hub Extender).
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: alpha1 on October 12, 2015, 10:01:19 am
Well hell....I just setup the bridge on my Windows server and I'm able to do exactly what I was aiming to do with the home control buttons on the remote. Looks like I need to cancel/return the Hub Extender.

I set up the bridge on a Windows PC this weekend too.  I am able to do everything that I want to, but it isn't 100% how I want it.  My two issues on the Harmony-side are:
  • I can't include the "Hue Devices" in any activity which means that I have to switch the remote from the current activity to "Devices" and then control the items (I am not sure if this would be any different with the Hub Extender)
  • I can't change the order of the devices.  It looks like they show up in the same order as they do on the bridge configuration, but I can't figure out how to change the order there either.  Sometimes when I add a device it goes to the bottom of the list and sometimes to the top of the list.

Another issue I have is that when my Windows PC is restarted, I lose the devices from my bridge settings.  I am thinking this is a user error of some type, but I can't figure out how to get the devices to save.

So are you both able to have a scene in Vera to power the TV on and other tasks?

I have been looking for a while for a method in which Vera can powers on a TV for a scene

Yes, I have been able to do that all along with the Harmony app for Vera.  Vera has (mostly) always been able to control the Harmony.  The new(er) part is having the Harmony control Vera.  The thing you need in both cases is a Harmony remote that includes the Home Hub (not the Hub Extender).

Brilliant.. Thanks

Ebay... here we come!
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: tomgru on October 12, 2015, 10:18:52 am
HI all...

I think I'm missing some key piece, or just can't find it in the various posts that seem to be talking about this.

I have the Harmony Ultimate with the hub and not the extender.  I have this working great with the harmony plugin so I can control the hub with Vera.

I also have the hue bridge plugin working perfectly on a windows home server, and use this with Echo to control devices/scenes through vera.  Again, works awesome.

Sounds like using the hue bridge, I can now control zwave devices via the harmony remote .... but i'm not sure how to set this up?  Do you do this within the Logitech harmony PC app? 

THanks.

Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: lingerba on October 12, 2015, 10:23:16 am
HI all...

I think I'm missing some key piece, or just can't find it in the various posts that seem to be talking about this.

I have the Harmony Ultimate with the hub and not the extender.  I have this working great with the harmony plugin so I can control the hub with Vera.

I also have the hue bridge plugin working perfectly on a windows home server, and use this with Echo to control devices/scenes through vera.  Again, works awesome.

Sounds like using the hue bridge, I can now control zwave devices via the harmony remote .... but i'm not sure how to set this up?  Do you do this within the Logitech harmony PC app? 

THanks.

Yes if you are already using the Hue bridge, you should be able to go into your Harmony setup using your phone app or PC program, and add a "home control" device (or use the option for scan for wi-fi devices).  From there you can add Hue and it should find the bridge and from there, everything configured in your bridge will be added to your Harmony.  This did not initially work for me (Harmony was not finding the Hue), but I kept playing and it eventually worked.

No can you tell me how your were able to get your configured devices to save in the bridge configuration?
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: tomgru on October 12, 2015, 10:39:31 am
Thanks.... I'll give that a try.  Couldn't be that easy :-)

So... for me, getting this to run on WHS took some serious tinkering, and luckily, it's been working pretty much ever since, so my memory is fading.

Since it's on a WHS, i just let the command window (e.g. script) run on top all the time.  I seem to remember this is the key.  It has to be running.  Also, sadly, I don't think it worked in IE... so try Chrome.

IF that doesn't make sense, or you've already tried this, let me know and i'll go back deeper and see if I can remember what I've done.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: lingerba on October 12, 2015, 10:43:10 am
Thanks.... I'll give that a try.  Couldn't be that easy :-)

So... for me, getting this to run on WHS took some serious tinkering, and luckily, it's been working pretty much ever since, so my memory is fading.

Since it's on a WHS, i just let the command window (e.g. script) run on top all the time.  I seem to remember this is the key.  It has to be running.  Also, sadly, I don't think it worked in IE... so try Chrome.

IF that doesn't make sense, or you've already tried this, let me know and i'll go back deeper and see if I can remember what I've done.

I have already figured out that the command window has to stay open.  My work around for that is that I have the start script run as a service when the computer is turned on so it all runs in the back ground.  The issue that I am having is that each time the computer is restarted, I lose the "configured devices", which are the devices that I have specifically selected from the list of all devices from Vera.

I may have figured out the issue.  I created a folder called "data" and within that, a file called "device.db".  I copied the configuration there, and it seems to be saving.  We'll see how long this works.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: tomgru on October 12, 2015, 10:49:50 am
Thanks.... I'll give that a try.  Couldn't be that easy :-)

So... for me, getting this to run on WHS took some serious tinkering, and luckily, it's been working pretty much ever since, so my memory is fading.

Since it's on a WHS, i just let the command window (e.g. script) run on top all the time.  I seem to remember this is the key.  It has to be running.  Also, sadly, I don't think it worked in IE... so try Chrome.

IF that doesn't make sense, or you've already tried this, let me know and i'll go back deeper and see if I can remember what I've done.

I have already figured out that the command window has to stay open.  My work around for that is that I have the start script run as a service when the computer is turned on so it all runs in the back ground.  The issue that I am having is that each time the computer is restarted, I lose the "configured devices", which are the devices that I have specifically selected from the list of all devices from Vera.

I may have figured out the issue.  I created a folder called "data" and within that, a file called "device.db".  I copied the configuration there, and it seems to be saving.  We'll see how long this works.

Hmmm.... I seem to remember that the first time you run the script, It automatically creates the data folder for you in the directly you created.  This didn't happen?
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: lingerba on October 12, 2015, 10:53:45 am
Hmmm.... I seem to remember that the first time you run the script, It automatically creates the data folder for you in the directly you created.  This didn't happen?

It did, but I was testing this on one computer and then I moved the files to another computer to be more permanent.  Then when it wasn't "saving", I deleted that folder to see if it would recreate it.  It never did.  I tinkered for awhile and then at one point it finally did recreate the folder, but not the db file.  So I created the db file on my own and copied the script from the web interface into it.  I have opened and closed the program a few times and it seems to be saving everything.  I will test more this evening when I am home.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: qwen3579 on October 12, 2015, 11:11:28 am
Hmmm.... I seem to remember that the first time you run the script, It automatically creates the data folder for you in the directly you created.  This didn't happen?

It did, but I was testing this on one computer and then I moved the files to another computer to be more permanent.  Then when it wasn't "saving", I deleted that folder to see if it would recreate it.  It never did.  I tinkered for awhile and then at one point it finally did recreate the folder, but not the db file.  So I created the db file on my own and copied the script from the web interface into it.  I have opened and closed the program a few times and it seems to be saving everything.  I will test more this evening when I am home.

Can you give more detail on exactly what you did? I'm having the same issue but can't figure it out.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: tomgru on October 12, 2015, 11:13:09 am
Yes if you are already using the Hue bridge, you should be able to go into your Harmony setup using your phone app or PC program, and add a "home control" device (or use the option for scan for wi-fi devices).  From there you can add Hue and it should find the bridge and from there, everything configured in your bridge will be added to your Harmony.  This did not initially work for me (Harmony was not finding the Hue), but I kept playing and it eventually worked.

No can you tell me how your were able to get your configured devices to save in the bridge configuration?

It's asking me to push the pairing button on the Hue Bridge, which of course I don't have. How did you get it to initially see the bridge emulator?
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: integlikewhoa on October 12, 2015, 12:02:56 pm
Yes if you are already using the Hue bridge, you should be able to go into your Harmony setup using your phone app or PC program, and add a "home control" device (or use the option for scan for wi-fi devices).  From there you can add Hue and it should find the bridge and from there, everything configured in your bridge will be added to your Harmony.  This did not initially work for me (Harmony was not finding the Hue), but I kept playing and it eventually worked.

No can you tell me how your were able to get your configured devices to save in the bridge configuration?

It's asking me to push the pairing button on the Hue Bridge, which of course I don't have. How did you get it to initially see the bridge emulator?

I'm going to guess you have an older version of the bridge that is not ready for both Echo and Harmony. You should not get this message on a working version.
Check the Bridge Thread and use one of the revised version made by CRUSH in the last few pages of the Echo Bridge thread.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: tomgru on October 12, 2015, 12:04:32 pm
Yes if you are already using the Hue bridge, you should be able to go into your Harmony setup using your phone app or PC program, and add a "home control" device (or use the option for scan for wi-fi devices).  From there you can add Hue and it should find the bridge and from there, everything configured in your bridge will be added to your Harmony.  This did not initially work for me (Harmony was not finding the Hue), but I kept playing and it eventually worked.

No can you tell me how your were able to get your configured devices to save in the bridge configuration?

It's asking me to push the pairing button on the Hue Bridge, which of course I don't have. How did you get it to initially see the bridge emulator?

I'm going to guess you have an older version of the bridge that is not ready for both Echo and Harmony. You should not get this message on a working version.
Check the Bridge Thread and use one of the revised version made by CRUSH in the last few pages of the Echo Bridge thread.

ah.... perfect.. thanks.  Definitely haven't upgraded to newest versions of Crush's plugin once I got it working!
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: integlikewhoa on October 12, 2015, 12:38:27 pm
ah.... perfect.. thanks.  Definitely haven't upgraded to newest versions of Crush's plugin once I got it working!

Great!  Yeah mid way threw that thread Crush was making a new version almost daily testing each to get the Harmony Hub to work as well as the ECHO did from the beginning. After the issue was discovered all versions of his Latest seem to be working on both devices now. He just released a new versiona  day or so ago which I haven't tried yet.

Seems to be quirks when running it on windows tho as several are having different issues. None of those issue have be a problem for me after giving up on Windows and running in it on a Pi tho.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: tomgru on October 12, 2015, 01:09:58 pm
ah.... perfect.. thanks.  Definitely haven't upgraded to newest versions of Crush's plugin once I got it working!

Great!  Yeah mid way threw that thread Crush was making a new version almost daily testing each to get the Harmony Hub to work as well as the ECHO did from the beginning. After the issue was discovered all versions of his Latest seem to be working on both devices now. He just released a new versiona  day or so ago which I haven't tried yet.

Seems to be quirks when running it on windows tho as several are having different issues. None of those issue have be a problem for me after giving up on Windows and running in it on a Pi tho.

I upgraded just now, and all the Echo stuff still works great, so all good there.
Still no joy on getting the harmony hub to see it.  I almost got there once when doing a scan (came up with the Hue hub), but when I tried to connect, still asked me to push the sync button on the hue  :-(

now I can't get it to see it at all.  Honestly, I think this is an issue between my wifi and my Harmony hub.  Seems very hit or miss.  if I check wifi settings... it seems that about half the time it doesn't see my router/wifi
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: integlikewhoa on October 12, 2015, 01:51:10 pm
ah.... perfect.. thanks.  Definitely haven't upgraded to newest versions of Crush's plugin once I got it working!

Great!  Yeah mid way threw that thread Crush was making a new version almost daily testing each to get the Harmony Hub to work as well as the ECHO did from the beginning. After the issue was discovered all versions of his Latest seem to be working on both devices now. He just released a new versiona  day or so ago which I haven't tried yet.

Seems to be quirks when running it on windows tho as several are having different issues. None of those issue have be a problem for me after giving up on Windows and running in it on a Pi tho.

I upgraded just now, and all the Echo stuff still works great, so all good there.
Still no joy on getting the harmony hub to see it.  I almost got there once when doing a scan (came up with the Hue hub), but when I tried to connect, still asked me to push the sync button on the hue  :-(

now I can't get it to see it at all.  Honestly, I think this is an issue between my wifi and my Harmony hub.  Seems very hit or miss.  if I check wifi settings... it seems that about half the time it doesn't see my router/wifi

I don't know I would say its more of the code used to run the script and or windows.

http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,31920.780.html

Read post 782 and 783. He just got it up and working.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: jprafter on October 20, 2015, 09:25:19 pm
Received my Hub Extender today. Set it up in about 15 minutes from the Harmony app. I was able to select my Vera Edge, Harmony installed on Vera as a secondary controller (I think) and all the lamp and switch devices downloaded to the Harmony. They came in with generic names like Light 1, Switch 1, etc. Easily renamed in the Harmony app. Included in my Watch TV scene in a few seconds and now my z-wave lights are included in my scene.

Some make thing installing this device is overkill but I do intend to install a ZigBee Fan controller and will see if I can see it in Vera as well as Harmony. Will update when I get to this.

I have to say $99 bucks seems pretty cheap to me to get a full functioning, fully configurable, secondary controller for my Vera devices that enables the simple selection of activities on my Harmony Remote or Harmony App.

Also by using the Vera Harmony App, you can call any of the Harmony activities directly through the Vera web interface,

The only negative so far, I'm not seeing the device status in Vera being updated when the Harmony turned on or adjusted the brightness of the device. Not sure if this is my error at this point or something that is just wrong. Will report back.

I've installed this on my least robust Vera system, I've ordered two more for my other locations, and will install them and update later. Those locations include thermostats, Locks and Alarms. I'll see how it handles those later.

Not at all regretting the $99 purchase price so far. If this is what I can do in about 15 minutes, I can imagine there will be quite a bit more when I spend some real time with it.  ;D
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: integlikewhoa on October 21, 2015, 12:52:19 am
Received my Hub Extender today. Set it up in about 15 minutes from the Harmony app. I was able to select my Vera Edge, Harmony installed on Vera as a secondary controller (I think) and all the lamp and switch devices downloaded to the Harmony. They came in with generic names like Light 1, Switch 1, etc. Easily renamed in the Harmony app. Included in my Watch TV scene in a few seconds and now my z-wave lights are included in my scene.

Some make thing installing this device is overkill but I do intend to install a ZigBee Fan controller and will see if I can see it in Vera as well as Harmony. Will update when I get to this.

I have to say $99 bucks seems pretty cheap to me to get a full functioning, fully configurable, secondary controller for my Vera devices that enables the simple selection of activities on my Harmony Remote or Harmony App.

Also by using the Vera Harmony App, you can call any of the Harmony activities directly through the Vera web interface,

The only negative so far, I'm not seeing the device status in Vera being updated when the Harmony turned on or adjusted the brightness of the device. Not sure if this is my error at this point or something that is just wrong. Will report back.

I've installed this on my least robust Vera system, I've ordered two more for my other locations, and will install them and update later. Those locations include thermostats, Locks and Alarms. I'll see how it handles those later.

Not at all regretting the $99 purchase price so far. If this is what I can do in about 15 minutes, I can imagine there will be quite a bit more when I spend some real time with it.  ;D

I'm still wondering if there is any advantage (extras features) of this vs. the free HUE Bridge. I have checked my GE switches and they update instantly when I turn them on or off via the Harmony Remote.
Also I know I can control A/c's right now but how does that work on the home remote? I don't have the ultimate and wondering how the interface looks on the remote to be able to change from heat to cool or temps. Seems to me an on/off is all your going to get. And on my remote there is only 4 buttons so I need to choose wisely what I want to control. Is this not a problem on the ultimate? Having only 4 buttons means having everything including the kitchen sink in the hub, but only choosing 4 limits me to fan, light, all off scene and maybe a bathroom light for a night run. 
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: silencery on October 21, 2015, 03:30:55 am

I'm still wondering if there is any advantage (extras features) of this vs. the free HUE Bridge. I have checked my GE switches and they update instantly when I turn them on or off via the Harmony Remote.
Also I know I can control A/c's right now but how does that work on the home remote? I don't have the ultimate and wondering how the interface looks on the remote to be able to change from heat to cool or temps. Seems to me an on/off is all your going to get. And on my remote there is only 4 buttons so I need to choose wisely what I want to control. Is this not a problem on the ultimate? Having only 4 buttons means having everything including the kitchen sink in the hub, but only choosing 4 limits me to fan, light, all off scene and maybe a bathroom light for a night run.

Slightly OT, but I was just curious. When you turn on a device in the Hue Bridge (via Harmony), does the status stay that way? I installed the Hue Bridge, and it's awesome, but that status reported in Harmony always goes back to off after a few seconds, even if the actual device itself is still on. I'm wondering if I've misconfigured something? Thanks!
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: integlikewhoa on October 21, 2015, 01:02:51 pm

I'm still wondering if there is any advantage (extras features) of this vs. the free HUE Bridge. I have checked my GE switches and they update instantly when I turn them on or off via the Harmony Remote.
Also I know I can control A/c's right now but how does that work on the home remote? I don't have the ultimate and wondering how the interface looks on the remote to be able to change from heat to cool or temps. Seems to me an on/off is all your going to get. And on my remote there is only 4 buttons so I need to choose wisely what I want to control. Is this not a problem on the ultimate? Having only 4 buttons means having everything including the kitchen sink in the hub, but only choosing 4 limits me to fan, light, all off scene and maybe a bathroom light for a night run.

Slightly OT, but I was just curious. When you turn on a device in the Hue Bridge (via Harmony), does the status stay that way? I installed the Hue Bridge, and it's awesome, but that status reported in Harmony always goes back to off after a few seconds, even if the actual device itself is still on. I'm wondering if I've misconfigured something? Thanks!

When you say in harmony you mean like in the phone app or on the remote? I have never checked the phone app.
I use the regular Home remote to turn on an off lights and it doesn't display status of the lights at all (short press to turn on, press and hold to turn off). I'm not sure if the ultimate and its touch screen have the current status displayed.

If you mean in the phone app on the harmony I never really use it except for setup. If I was going to use my phone to control tv or lights I would just open up the Imperihome app and I have all my lights and TV in my custom configuration. 
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: silencery on October 21, 2015, 04:30:42 pm
When you say in harmony you mean like in the phone app or on the remote? I have never checked the phone app.
I use the regular Home remote to turn on an off lights and it doesn't display status of the lights at all (short press to turn on, press and hold to turn off). I'm not sure if the ultimate and its touch screen have the current status displayed.

If you mean in the phone app on the harmony I never really use it except for setup. If I was going to use my phone to control tv or lights I would just open up the Imperihome app and I have all my lights and TV in my custom configuration.

Ah, you're using the Home remote; that clears it up.

In our case, I mean both: the Harmony Ultimate remote and the phone app. We never use the phone app, but the behavior is the same as the Ultimate remote, it will display the status on the screen, and you use the touchscreen to turn devices on/off.

The problem with the Ultimate is that the status always goes back to being "off" (or at least the Harmony Hub and remote thinks its off) after a while. Because the Ultimate and the hub thinks the device is off, you have to double-press to get back into the proper state in order to turn off or dim lights.

It's hard to explain clearly, but basically, it's a confusing situation for users due to a combination of the above and a counter-intuitive UI in the Ultimate remote.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: integlikewhoa on October 21, 2015, 08:49:36 pm
Ah, you're using the Home remote; that clears it up.

In our case, I mean both: the Harmony Ultimate remote and the phone app. We never use the phone app, but the behavior is the same as the Ultimate remote, it will display the status on the screen, and you use the touchscreen to turn devices on/off.

The problem with the Ultimate is that the status always goes back to being "off" (or at least the Harmony Hub and remote thinks its off) after a while. Because the Ultimate and the hub thinks the device is off, you have to double-press to get back into the proper state in order to turn off or dim lights.

It's hard to explain clearly, but basically, it's a confusing situation for users due to a combination of the above and a counter-intuitive UI in the Ultimate remote.

I'll test tonight using the phone app and see if the issue is the same, but I'm assuming it should be as there is not really anything to SETUP with the bridge. Maybe the Harmony is looking for a certian response from the HUE bridge that it's not receiving. Possibly like a poll every few min and the Bridge is not currently setup to that response. If we do find this to be the case, I'm sure it can be requested in the Bridge Forum. "Crush" has been very helpful and active in that thread.

But I'll test to see if my results are the same tonight.

How long would you say after turning on a light does it take for Harmony to return it to the off position?
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: integlikewhoa on October 21, 2015, 09:40:09 pm
The problem with the Ultimate is that the status always goes back to being "off" (or at least the Harmony Hub and remote thinks its off) after a while.

I can confirm I have the same issue with my home remote. When looking at the phone app I see it show its on then 10 seconds later it shows off even while the device is still on.

Next step would be for someone with an actual Hue Hub setup to verfiy they dont have this problem. Then maybe we can have Crush take a look and see if its something he can possibly help with.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: silencery on October 22, 2015, 12:14:20 am
The problem with the Ultimate is that the status always goes back to being "off" (or at least the Harmony Hub and remote thinks its off) after a while.

I can confirm I have the same issue with my home remote. When looking at the phone app I see it show its on then 10 seconds later it shows off even while the device is still on.

Next step would be for someone with an actual Hue Hub setup to verfiy they dont have this problem. Then maybe we can have Crush take a look and see if its something he can possibly help with.

Ah, thanks! It's comforting to know i'm not going crazy. Now to track down a real Hue hub...
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: e50golf on October 27, 2015, 02:07:27 pm
Just installed the Harmony Home Hub Extender.  Installed easily enough.  I, however, noticed that when you activate a scene or device from the AP or Vera, the status is not updated on the other device.  Does anyone know if this is a temporary problem or something that can be remedied?
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: e50golf on October 27, 2015, 02:44:40 pm
Just spoke with Harmony and they claim that the status will work if you use Vera-Edge, not Vera-Lite.  If anyone has experience, please chime in.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: integlikewhoa on October 27, 2015, 03:00:52 pm
Just spoke with Harmony and they claim that the status will work if you use Vera-Edge, not Vera-Lite.  If anyone has experience, please chime in.

I don't have the extender so my info is probley null, but I don't see how the EDGE works and the LITE doesn't. The run the same software and work the same way. From outside looking in it shouldn't know the difference. I think they may just be looking at a sheet of paper and the only name they see is EDGE so they only say it works with that.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: cybrmage on October 27, 2015, 04:04:54 pm
Veralite = Z-Wave
Vera3 = Z-Wave
Vera Edge = Z-Wave Plus
Harmony Hub Extender = Z-Wave plus

So, it is possible that the Harmony Hub Extender uses Z-Wave plus for status updates, that the Vera 3/lite would not be able to process...
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: e50golf on October 27, 2015, 04:10:29 pm
Thanks for the Z-wave plus info.  I will wait it out before I replace the Veralite with the Edge.  I want to see more user experience on the board.  Maybe VERA can answer the question.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: integlikewhoa on October 27, 2015, 04:29:29 pm
Veralite = Z-Wave
Vera3 = Z-Wave
Vera Edge = Z-Wave Plus
Harmony Hub Extender = Z-Wave plus

So, it is possible that the Harmony Hub Extender uses Z-Wave plus for status updates, that the Vera 3/lite would not be able to process...

Yeah that would make alot of sense. Unsure why they didnt just use IP to communicate between Harmony and Vera. Much more stable and long range.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: guest13549 on October 30, 2015, 04:50:19 am
I thought that a secondary controller talked directly to the zwave devices, not through any controller. Like a wall switch that you associate with a outlet.

This would explain why the updates does not arrive to Vera until the next poll. Of course, better devices reports their value back to the main controller upon local change  - those should also do this with a secondary controller.

Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: integlikewhoa on October 30, 2015, 12:32:15 pm
I thought that a secondary controller talked directly to the zwave devices, not through any controller. Like a wall switch that you associate with a outlet.

This would explain why the updates does not arrive to Vera until the next poll. Of course, better devices reports their value back to the main controller upon local change  - those should also do this with a secondary controller.

Probley why it doesn't work right, too many hands in the cookie jar. I'll stick with my better working free solution it looks like.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: Squill on December 02, 2015, 10:45:50 pm
Quick question. 

I see some of you use both Harmony Hub and Vera.  Why do you use both?  They both control mostly every home automation for the basic setup.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: Laughing Man on December 03, 2015, 07:27:19 am
Quick question. 

I see some of you use both Harmony Hub and Vera.  Why do you use both?  They both control mostly every home automation for the basic setup.
Harmony Hub didn't control ZWave devices natively until the Harmony Hub Extender was released. If you use the Hue Bridge emulator, you can have Harmony Hub control the devices and scenes through the Vera though.

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Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: lingerba on December 03, 2015, 09:35:17 am
Quick question. 

I see some of you use both Harmony Hub and Vera.  Why do you use both?  They both control mostly every home automation for the basic setup.
Harmony Hub didn't control ZWave devices natively until the Harmony Hub Extender was released. If you use the Hue Bridge emulator, you can have Harmony Hub control the devices and scenes through the Vera though.

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Also, the Harmony Hub does not provide anywhere near the functionality that Vera can provide.  If you just want a simple way to turn lights on and off, then the Harmony Hub is probably all you need.  But if you want to have "automation" which includes logic, you will need Vera.

For me personally, I was/am just looking for the simplest way to perform tasks in my Vera but by using my Harmony remote.  So far the Hue Bridge emulator is working okay, but I don't love it.  At the same time, I feel like buying the Hub Extender is overkill which I think is the whole point of your question.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: YzRacer on December 03, 2015, 12:18:37 pm
So glad I stumbled upon this thread! I've been using a Monster AVL300 (Harmony 890) for several years and after moving from Nexia to Vera I haven't been able to get it to control my devices. I was considering the Kira IR solution to keep my existing remote, but it sounds like it would be much easier to configure and maintain the Harmony Hub with the Hue Bridge emulator.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: dawgbone on December 04, 2015, 11:34:00 pm
Just installed the Harmony Home Hub Extender.  Installed easily enough.  I, however, noticed that when you activate a scene or device from the AP or Vera, the status is not updated on the other device.  Does anyone know if this is a temporary problem or something that can be remedied?

I'm trying out the Extender.... about to return it... as well as both the Elite and Companion/Home remotes.

Can I ask what do you mean by activating a device or scene by AP? <-- Access Point/Mobile App?

I got mine up and running, but am a bit thrown, as to how you go about running a scene from the remote. I assume that the Extender cannot pull the scenes from Vera(Edge), which I guess I can understand? Not really... but I'm holding back... :)

But it's also looking like you cannot create a scene with the Harmony's?

Also, I've been able to identify 3 light switches out of 39 devices(looks like 24 is max). 90% of the other devices just show as "plug"? The rest is 1 Thermostat.... 1 Multi-Sensor... 3 out of 5 locks... and 1 multi-plug... I maybe only have two ZW receptacles???

Since there is little documentation and more promotion on the web, I grabbed it on the hope that I only needed one Extender for my home(2x Hubs). Well, it looks like you need an Extender for every Hub? Which is very much BS, as it's now talking IP and/or TCP.... And in MY opinion should be able to talk to the other Hub...

I also wish there was a way to turn off firmware checking/updating, and Harmony's cloud services in their App... Not only does HA suck with phones/tablets(great for remote)... But by logging into their servers every time you launch the app, makes it that much worse... Plus sometimes, you're just happy where you're at, and an update can ruin that... Not to mention, when(not if) their servers get hacked, I'd like a "disconnect" from them...

Xbox One key mapping sucks...

Lastly... as a DirecTV customer... and with previous Harmony remotes.... The Guide button should be where the Exit button is... The Exit button should be where the Menu button is... and the Menu button should be where the Guide button is... at least on the Elite.... otherwise, a pretty nice remote...

I ranted a bit didn't I? LOL

Let me explain... I've had a Harmony One for my living room since it's first release... Has always worked awesome, until my 14 month old managed to get a hold of it... It still works great, just not as awesome.... In my bedroom, we use a DirecTV remote, in which does it's job.... RF to the DTV RX, and IR to the TV....

Both being outdated to all hell, I figured I'd give the new stuff a shot... Plus I can go full RF... and PLUS perhaps some HA controls...

blllllaaaaahhhhh!!!!


Any suggestions, before I give this junk the boot? I'm not all that interested in constantly running a machine with Java, and may just resort to hunting down a couple of Harmony 900's... To get the RF...







Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: integlikewhoa on December 05, 2015, 12:27:03 am
Just installed the Harmony Home Hub Extender.  Installed easily enough.  I, however, noticed that when you activate a scene or device from the AP or Vera, the status is not updated on the other device.  Does anyone know if this is a temporary problem or something that can be remedied?

I'm trying out the Extender.... about to return it... as well as both the Elite and Companion/Home remotes.

Can I ask what do you mean by activating a device or scene by AP? <-- Access Point/Mobile App?

I got mine up and running, but am a bit thrown, as to how you go about running a scene from the remote. I assume that the Extender cannot pull the scenes from Vera(Edge), which I guess I can understand? Not really... but I'm holding back... :)

But it's also looking like you cannot create a scene with the Harmony's?

Also, I've been able to identify 3 light switches out of 39 devices(looks like 24 is max). 90% of the other devices just show as "plug"? The rest is 1 Thermostat.... 1 Multi-Sensor... 3 out of 5 locks... and 1 multi-plug... I maybe only have two ZW receptacles???

Since there is little documentation and more promotion on the web, I grabbed it on the hope that I only needed one Extender for my home(2x Hubs). Well, it looks like you need an Extender for every Hub? Which is very much BS, as it's now talking IP and/or TCP.... And in MY opinion should be able to talk to the other Hub...

I also wish there was a way to turn off firmware checking/updating, and Harmony's cloud services in their App... Not only does HA suck with phones/tablets(great for remote)... But by logging into their servers every time you launch the app, makes it that much worse... Plus sometimes, you're just happy where you're at, and an update can ruin that... Not to mention, when(not if) their servers get hacked, I'd like a "disconnect" from them...

Xbox One key mapping sucks...

Lastly... as a DirecTV customer... and with previous Harmony remotes.... The Guide button should be where the Exit button is... The Exit button should be where the Menu button is... and the Menu button should be where the Guide button is... at least on the Elite.... otherwise, a pretty nice remote...

I ranted a bit didn't I? LOL

Let me explain... I've had a Harmony One for my living room since it's first release... Has always worked awesome, until my 14 month old managed to get a hold of it... It still works great, just not as awesome.... In my bedroom, we use a DirecTV remote, in which does it's job.... RF to the DTV RX, and IR to the TV....

Both being outdated to all hell, I figured I'd give the new stuff a shot... Plus I can go full RF... and PLUS perhaps some HA controls...

blllllaaaaahhhhh!!!!


Any suggestions, before I give this junk the boot? I'm not all that interested in constantly running a machine with Java, and may just resort to hunting down a couple of Harmony 900's... To get the RF...

I think you haven't spend enough time with it, to understand how to use it.

"Ap" he ment APP or phone app.

I don't have the Extender but with the Echo Bridge you can run scenes from your harmony.

Having the Harmony HUB I can create scenes so I find it hard to believe you cant with the extender.

As far as buttons on Direct tv. All your buttons are customizable so if you want them swapped or in a different place Harmony allows you to change that.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: dawgbone on December 05, 2015, 10:59:01 pm
Just installed the Harmony Home Hub Extender.  Installed easily enough.  I, however, noticed that when you activate a scene or device from the AP or Vera, the status is not updated on the other device.  Does anyone know if this is a temporary problem or something that can be remedied?

I'm trying out the Extender.... about to return it... as well as both the Elite and Companion/Home remotes.

Can I ask what do you mean by activating a device or scene by AP? <-- Access Point/Mobile App?

I got mine up and running, but am a bit thrown, as to how you go about running a scene from the remote. I assume that the Extender cannot pull the scenes from Vera(Edge), which I guess I can understand? Not really... but I'm holding back... :)

But it's also looking like you cannot create a scene with the Harmony's?

Also, I've been able to identify 3 light switches out of 39 devices(looks like 24 is max). 90% of the other devices just show as "plug"? The rest is 1 Thermostat.... 1 Multi-Sensor... 3 out of 5 locks... and 1 multi-plug... I maybe only have two ZW receptacles???

Since there is little documentation and more promotion on the web, I grabbed it on the hope that I only needed one Extender for my home(2x Hubs). Well, it looks like you need an Extender for every Hub? Which is very much BS, as it's now talking IP and/or TCP.... And in MY opinion should be able to talk to the other Hub...

I also wish there was a way to turn off firmware checking/updating, and Harmony's cloud services in their App... Not only does HA suck with phones/tablets(great for remote)... But by logging into their servers every time you launch the app, makes it that much worse... Plus sometimes, you're just happy where you're at, and an update can ruin that... Not to mention, when(not if) their servers get hacked, I'd like a "disconnect" from them...

Xbox One key mapping sucks...

Lastly... as a DirecTV customer... and with previous Harmony remotes.... The Guide button should be where the Exit button is... The Exit button should be where the Menu button is... and the Menu button should be where the Guide button is... at least on the Elite.... otherwise, a pretty nice remote...

I ranted a bit didn't I? LOL

Let me explain... I've had a Harmony One for my living room since it's first release... Has always worked awesome, until my 14 month old managed to get a hold of it... It still works great, just not as awesome.... In my bedroom, we use a DirecTV remote, in which does it's job.... RF to the DTV RX, and IR to the TV....

Both being outdated to all hell, I figured I'd give the new stuff a shot... Plus I can go full RF... and PLUS perhaps some HA controls...

blllllaaaaahhhhh!!!!


Any suggestions, before I give this junk the boot? I'm not all that interested in constantly running a machine with Java, and may just resort to hunting down a couple of Harmony 900's... To get the RF...

I think you haven't spend enough time with it, to understand how to use it.

"Ap" he ment APP or phone app.

I don't have the Extender but with the Echo Bridge you can run scenes from your harmony.

Having the Harmony HUB I can create scenes so I find it hard to believe you cant with the extender.

As far as buttons on Direct tv. All your buttons are customizable so if you want them swapped or in a different place Harmony allows you to change that.

Ahh....

I agree, I haven't spent much time with it.... Of course things aren't very obvious with the Extender.... For instance, including the Extender into an existing HA setup.
Naturally, the included docs, as with any ZWave instructions, are very vague and ask that you resort to the other devices' docs....
But it took some web research to realize how to include it into an existing setup... Normally, when including a ZW device, it doesn't matter as long as both are in include mode...
Going through LT's inclusion mode(while it's actually IN inclusion mode), you HAVE to hit the "Show me How" button.... Only then, can you add it to a primary controller...<--- Which is very backwards thinking(to me) as most devices that are already joined to a network, cannot initiate inclusion mode? I'll write Logitech on this one...

The HA side of LT is very limited... In fact, you HAVE to use their mobile app to do anything in regards to HA/Extender... You cannot use the Desktop version.

I understand that you can create custom buttons that can run scripts or possibly REST/HTTP commands on previous/touchscreen models.... But so far, I cannot find this to be the case with the Home(non-touchscreen) model.... Which is my biggest complaint...
I have the Elite in my living room, which is where my Vera Edge(primary controller) is located for all of my ZW devices... So I want the Extender in my bedroom, for better RF comms on that side of my house. I have the Home(non touchscreen) remote in my bedroom... It'd make very little sense to have both ZW "controllers" sitting next to each other.

Now here's where I'm having problems... In the bedroom, I just need to adjust the bedroom lights...Done...
But I also need a single somewhat complex "sleep" scene to run... Vera does this without a sneeze... I cannot find a way to do this with the Extender...

My biggest complaint, is that I'm at about $600 in for just two remotes and a ZW bridge... Mind you, $99 for a ZW "controller" that is just barely cheaper than a Vera, and so far, incapable of creating Scenes... And being that it's IP/TCP, why is it that I cannot send commands to the LivingRoom Hub via the Elite, to the Bedroom Hub that has the Extender connected? They seriously want me to buy yet another $99 ZW Extender so that I can use the Elite for HA tasks as well?

So far, and granted that I haven't given it enough time.... but the Extender and newer "Hub" remotes are a waste of money... IMO
I could have done it far cheaper with ITach or the likes...<--- say the old-school Harmony 900
Although I hate the idea, but running a machine with JRE is looking better...

BTW.... Remapping buttons without the ability to re-label them is a no-go for me....  Having to teach wife and/or house/baby-sitters that Exit is really the Guide button, just isn't going to work...
Guide is used much more than Exit... and on the Elite, it's just an awkward layout.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: integlikewhoa on December 06, 2015, 11:24:04 am
Most of your complaints are valid and is one of the reasons I don't own one.

99.00 is the same price as a VERA Edge right now.

It is not a AUTOMATION hub it just a remote z-wave hub without any smarts.

I think is made more for the people with simple systems that want the living room lights to dim when they put the tv to movie mode and not much more.



Have you tried the FREE Echo Bridge that runs on a PC or Pi that will work the same or better and with multiple Harmony's? Scrape the 99.00 per room extender and buy a pi instead. One and done.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: e50golf on December 08, 2015, 11:12:56 am
I have been using the Home Hub Extender with my VeraEdge for several weeks.  Here is the problem I discovered, hopefully someone will have an answer since Logitech doesn't.  When I turn a light switch on/off from the Vera, the Vera shows the current status, while the Harmony does not know if the device is on or off.  If you turn a light switch on locally from the switch, Vera knows the status and the Harmony does not.  If this is how it works, it is useless and definitely should not be purchased.  I am waiting for a response from a Harmony supervisor to confirm.  I am curious to know if others have had this problem.  If any Vera users out there know an answer, i would welcome your response.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: silencery on December 08, 2015, 01:21:48 pm
I have been using the Home Hub Extender with my VeraEdge for several weeks.  Here is the problem I discovered, hopefully someone will have an answer since Logitech doesn't.  When I turn a light switch on/off from the Vera, the Vera shows the current status, while the Harmony does not know if the device is on or off.  If you turn a light switch on locally from the switch, Vera knows the status and the Harmony does not.  If this is how it works, it is useless and definitely should not be purchased.  I am waiting for a response from a Harmony supervisor to confirm.  I am curious to know if others have had this problem.  If any Vera users out there know an answer, i would welcome your response.

Interesting. That is a dealbreaker if that's the case. I'm curious to know the answer as well.

I'm using the Echo Bridge by crush and it's great, but the situation is the same; status is not recorded. One other question that hasn't been answered yet is if an official Hue bridge will record/report status correctly.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: e50golf on December 09, 2015, 03:17:06 pm
Spoke with Harmony support.  They escalated the issue to their level 2 support staff.  I have not heard a thing from them.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: e50golf on December 22, 2015, 05:33:35 pm
Still no word from Harmony.  They are really dragging their feet on the status issue.  Has anyone else learned anything about the status issue?
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: jamac on December 29, 2015, 08:17:33 am
There's no sign of the Harmony Hub Extender in Australia yet. I assume it only operates 908.4 MHz/916 MHz z-wave frequencies used by the US, Canada, Mexico etc. See http://products.z-wavealliance.org/products/1321/embedpics. Does anyone know if models will be released for other regions?
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: e50golf on December 29, 2015, 10:07:56 am
I received an answer from Logitech level 3 support, that doesn't make sense: "The State of the device will be automatically refreshed for only Zigbee Notification Activated devices. The Power State of the Leviton Plugs is not automatically refreshed because it's ZWave device. To overcome this issue, the Cx needs to manually switch to some other screen in the App and then come back to Leviton Plug screen for getting the updated status of the Plugs. ".

Why they refer to plugs when the question was asked about dimmers is another question???

What they are saying, I believe, is the status of the device does not change on the Home Hub Extender, if you turn the dimmer on manually or via Vera.  The HHE only knows the status, if it activates the device.  So, how can the HHE be compatable with Leviton or VERA if it cannot simply indicate status?  Any thoughts would be welcome.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: Batiatus on December 30, 2015, 10:24:28 am
Quick question about this Hub Extender. I'm setting up a system that runs a Vera programmed with various scenes for a home theater. I'd like to be able to use the Harmony Ultimate remote to run a few of these scenes from the touch screen. Is that what it is intended to do? Pretty simple set-up, run scene 1 or 2 or 3 etc. Don't care if there are updates to the status of individual lights. Just run this scene or that one.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: integlikewhoa on December 30, 2015, 10:46:17 am
Quick question about this Hub Extender. I'm setting up a system that runs a Vera programmed with various scenes for a home theater. I'd like to be able to use the Harmony Ultimate remote to run a few of these scenes from the touch screen. Is that what it is intended to do? Pretty simple set-up, run scene 1 or 2 or 3 etc. Don't care if there are updates to the status of individual lights. Just run this scene or that one.

Thanks!

Yes this or the "hue bridge" found here http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,31920.1140.html will do what you want.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: Batiatus on January 02, 2016, 12:08:23 pm
Appreciate the response. The hue bridge looks like a ton of work for something a simple device will take care of.

Follow-up question, between the Vera and the Harmony, can a button/scene be set-up to turn all required equipment to an on state and subsequently a button/scene turn all equipment off?

Example, Vera Scene "Home Theater On" which turns all lights on to predetermined levels at once, also power up specific devices in specific configurations? 1 button to do it all and if so is this done through a button command to execute the power on/input commands as well as trigger the scene, or done through a scene the tells the hub to execute the various power/input commands?
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: integlikewhoa on January 02, 2016, 12:30:19 pm
Appreciate the response. The hue bridge looks like a ton of work for something a simple device will take care of.

I wont disagree, but both require setup and one is alot more restrictive. Last I heard it was limited to one tv/remote also but I'm not sure if that's true. Cost is about half with the Pie and if you already have a computer that's on then its free and you just have to run a program. Not only that the Bridge can run more then just vera devices. 
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: Batiatus on January 06, 2016, 03:37:06 pm
Alternate question. I use a web string command to control the Vera to activate scenes automatically when using CinemaVision in Kodi. CV reaches a point in it's sequence and sends a simple command and the Vera responds perfectly. Is it possible to program this command into the Harmony Ultimate as a custom button to send the string wirelessly to the network and trigger the Vera?

Ths string looks like this.

http://<Vera IP Address>:3480/data_request?id=action&serviceId=urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:HomeAutomationGateway1&action=RunScene&SceneNum=<SceneNumber>
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: dlca1 on January 11, 2016, 09:54:08 am
Alternate question. I use a web string command to control the Vera to activate scenes automatically when using CinemaVision in Kodi. CV reaches a point in it's sequence and sends a simple command and the Vera responds perfectly. Is it possible to program this command into the Harmony Ultimate as a custom button to send the string wirelessly to the network and trigger the Vera?

Ths string looks like this.

http://<Vera IP Address>:3480/data_request?id=action&serviceId=urn:micasaverde-com:serviceId:HomeAutomationGateway1&action=RunScene&SceneNum=<SceneNumber>

I don't know if you can do this directly va the Harmony Hub (just bought an Elite, but haven't opened it yet.) However, this is exactly what the Hue/Home Automation Bridge Emulator (software service) does. You basically define "scenes" in the emulator. For each scene, you associate a "string/url" for off and on.

You can read more here. https://github.com/armzilla/amazon-echo-ha-bridge
Note: The developers have created a simple web ui to make adding the string/url easy.



Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: e50golf on January 14, 2016, 10:33:28 am
Harmony informs me that the Home Hub Extender, at this point, is not compatible with Leviton dimmers.  A real bummer.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: eematt on February 26, 2016, 03:55:33 pm
Can someone please confirm if it is possible with the harmony hub extender to add entertainment devices controlled by the harmony hub into vera scenes?  For example, including a TV on command sent by the harmony hub as part of a vera scene.  Similar to what the harmony vera plugin can do.  I ask because the harmony vera plugin is not working on my UI5 setup and looking at the vera logs files, I don't see an easy fix.

Thanks,
Matt   
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: snovvman on March 21, 2016, 08:58:28 pm
I have the Crush HA Bridge running on Raspberry Pi.  Both Harmony and Echo can control Vera devices.  Echo can also control Harmony devices/activities.  All is well.  Question is--how do I setup Vera to control Harmony activities/devices?  Is that even possible?

I am currently using the Harmony plug in with Vera and it works okay.  I just want to know if it is possible to add the HA Bridge as a UPnP device in Vera.  I tried adding the HA Bridge as an UPnP device but Vera did not see it.

For those with Harmony Hub Extender--I read that it shows up on Vera as a secondary controller.  With it, can you directly control the activities, etc. without plug in?  Does the Vera panel for HHE look like a remote?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: Dr. Cossack on March 25, 2016, 06:16:43 pm
Has anyone tried to get this working with a Vera 2?

That's what I have at home, running the latest firmware version of UI5, and I can't get the Extender to pair despite following the given steps. I'm not sure if it's me or an hardware limitation.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: terryva on August 12, 2016, 10:58:13 pm
Recognizing this is an old thread, will the Harmony Hub Extender allow through the Harmony remote to simply run a Vera Scene?  I'm not quite at the level of sophistication of PLEG or this Kodi thing.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: Sammy2 on October 19, 2017, 08:50:08 am
Received my Hub Extender today. Set it up in about 15 minutes from the Harmony app. I was able to select my Vera Edge, Harmony installed on Vera as a secondary controller (I think) and all the lamp and switch devices downloaded to the Harmony. They came in with generic names like Light 1, Switch 1, etc. Easily renamed in the Harmony app. Included in my Watch TV scene in a few seconds and now my z-wave lights are included in my scene.

Some make thing installing this device is overkill but I do intend to install a ZigBee Fan controller and will see if I can see it in Vera as well as Harmony. Will update when I get to this.

I have to say $99 bucks seems pretty cheap to me to get a full functioning, fully configurable, secondary controller for my Vera devices that enables the simple selection of activities on my Harmony Remote or Harmony App.

Also by using the Vera Harmony App, you can call any of the Harmony activities directly through the Vera web interface,

The only negative so far, I'm not seeing the device status in Vera being updated when the Harmony turned on or adjusted the brightness of the device. Not sure if this is my error at this point or something that is just wrong. Will report back.

I've installed this on my least robust Vera system, I've ordered two more for my other locations, and will install them and update later. Those locations include thermostats, Locks and Alarms. I'll see how it handles those later.

Not at all regretting the $99 purchase price so far. If this is what I can do in about 15 minutes, I can imagine there will be quite a bit more when I spend some real time with it.  ;D

I'm still wondering if there is any advantage (extras features) of this vs. the free HUE Bridge. I have checked my GE switches and they update instantly when I turn them on or off via the Harmony Remote.
Also I know I can control A/c's right now but how does that work on the home remote? I don't have the ultimate and wondering how the interface looks on the remote to be able to change from heat to cool or temps. Seems to me an on/off is all your going to get. And on my remote there is only 4 buttons so I need to choose wisely what I want to control. Is this not a problem on the ultimate? Having only 4 buttons means having everything including the kitchen sink in the hub, but only choosing 4 limits me to fan, light, all off scene and maybe a bathroom light for a night run.

I know this is an old post but for me I don't have the HA Bridge set up (suppose I should) so buying a new out of box Extender on eBay for $67 was the win win scenario. I saved myself a ton of time and I now can control lights in my Family Room through both Vera and my Harmony Elite.
Title: Re: Harmony Hub Extender
Post by: Bricio on November 29, 2018, 09:55:27 am
Hi,

I saw past messages with same problem related, but no solution.

I have:

Vera Lite ui7
Harmony Hub
Harmony Extender (zwave)
Aeotec switches and dimmers DSC 26103 and dsc 19103 (not zwave plus)
Echo dot


I bought Harmony extender, just to be easier if i want to dimmer or switch on/of any lights  on the Harmony APP while watching tv or movie.

I can make it, but:

1- The status is not updated automactically if i turn on/off lights on vera app , or at wall switch
(If i restart the harmony hub and harmony extender it updates)

2- Commands at harmony APP for lights: sometimes it run command instantanealy , and sometimes there is a delay of about 20sec 30sec to turn on/off lights


Can anyone please help me with this?
I saw comments that it will work perfect with vera edge bacause it is zwave plus, but my swithces aren t z wave plus