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Title: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: Timon on March 29, 2016, 10:58:37 am
Well it looks like HomeSeer is the first to release a dimmer, the HS-WD100+ (http://store.homeseer.com/store/HomeSeer-HS-WD100-Z-Wave-Plus-Scene-Capable-Wall-Dimmer-P2156.aspx), since the Leviton Patent expired that supports Instant Status. Since it's not yet shipping we have no idea who is making it but at least we have a Full Featured switch at a reasonable price.

Here is the basic Product Overview
Main Features
Important Information
HS-WD100+ is a Z-Wave Plus certified dimming (on-off-dim) wall switch for use with most dimmable lighting loads. The switch includes the newest 500 series Z-Wave module is and Z-Wave Plus certified to ensure support for the latest Z-Wave features. HS-WD100+ may be used with most home controllers but should be used with HomeSeer Hometrollers for best compatibility with all features.
Operation
Once installed, HS-WD100+ works like any other paddle-style switch and will control on, off and dim functions for the attached lighting load. However, add it to any HomeSeer system and you'll be able to trigger up to 6 different events!
Specifications

As you can see they do have some special features on this switch. Mainly the multi-press functions where they count the number of presses within a second and sent that to the controller. I suspect other controllers will have to figure out what's being sent and add code to support it. Personally I'm not to worried about that right now as Instant Status is the main feature I want.

About the only issue I see is that they don't show different colors but one would assume that will be coming when they start shipping. I talked to them about that and for now it's only white but the way they talked I suspect we'll see colors after they've got through the first few production runs.

They should start shipping in the next couple of weeks.

OMT, there is a switch version, the HS-WS100+ (http://store.homeseer.com/store/HomeSeer-HS-WS100-Z-Wave-Plus-Scene-Capable-Wall-Switch-P2155.aspx), as well.
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: Z-Waver on March 29, 2016, 12:24:24 pm
That is the:
Dragon Tech WD-100 - Z-Wave Plus - Multi-Level Dimmer Switch (http://amzn.to/1qezHri)
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: integlikewhoa on March 29, 2016, 12:40:27 pm
I saw their emails come out. Homeseer members (10.00 a year) get 10% off these and I thought I they said they will be shipping on 3/31/16 in two days.

For 40-45.00 this should be an awesome deal for everyone and I suspect more to come.
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: tomgru on March 29, 2016, 02:37:45 pm
i remember looking at this on Amazon a few weeks ago.  though it was interesting that the aux switch didn't support the lighting level indicator. 

Also doesn't say a thing about the double/triple tap feature... maybe that's HS specific?
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: integlikewhoa on March 29, 2016, 04:01:46 pm
i remember looking at this on Amazon a few weeks ago.  though it was interesting that the aux switch didn't support the lighting level indicator. 

Also doesn't say a thing about the double/triple tap feature... maybe that's HS specific?

Depending on which link you look at on Amazon non mention instant Status either. Some say "Activate scenes or emergency alerts" which is probley the double and triple tap feature worded differently. But some of this could be Homeseer Only. Which works out great for me.  ;D
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: Timon on March 30, 2016, 09:57:07 am
I saw their emails come out. Homeseer members (10.00 a year) get 10% off these and I thought I they said they will be shipping on 3/31/16 in two days.

For 40-45.00 this should be an awesome deal for everyone and I suspect more to come.
They had just received them when I called which is why he said a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: Aaron on April 02, 2016, 10:51:50 am
Anyone know if Vera Plus will support this dimmer soon?
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: Z-Waver on April 02, 2016, 11:46:36 am
Though I have not tested it, I would expect this dimmer to work fine with Vera. It seems to be a standard dimmer. There's nothing special about it and no reason to think that it wouldn't work with Vera. Give it a go.

Be aware that the HomeSeer one is new, with new v5.x firmware. Other vendors may have older firmware which may lack some feature(s).

Also, while the Z-Wave Plus(Gen5) chips have the capability to do over the air firmware updates, I don't foresee many/any manufacturers releasing firmware updates or the tools needed to install them, any time to the public. So, if you get an older firmware version, you'll need to replace the switch to get newer firmware.
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: rbakley on April 02, 2016, 12:59:14 pm
I just received the Dragon Tech WD-100 from Amazon.    Here are some initial photos of the box and dimmer.   

First Impressions:   It included into my Vera Plus without a problem.   Not sure if it supports instant status or not, but when turning on the dimmer locally, the Vera reports an intermediate value during the ramp up before it gets to full 100% brightness, my other dimmers never did this.    Also, the level indicator led's on the dimmer are white, but are only on when the adjustment is taking place, either locally or from Vera.   Once the adjustment period is over, the lights are extinguished.   I am hoping this can be changed through a configuration setting.

-bob
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: rbakley on April 02, 2016, 01:00:28 pm
Adding photos of the dimmer itself.

-bob
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: integlikewhoa on April 03, 2016, 03:15:17 am
Though I have not tested it, I would expect this dimmer to work fine with Vera. It seems to be a standard dimmer. There's nothing special about it and no reason to think that it wouldn't work with Vera. Give it a go.

Be aware that the HomeSeer one is new, with new v5.x firmware. Other vendors may have older firmware which may lack some feature(s).

Also, while the Z-Wave Plus(Gen5) chips have the capability to do over the air firmware updates, I don't foresee many/any manufacturers releasing firmware updates or the tools needed to install them, any time to the public. So, if you get an older firmware version, you'll need to replace the switch to get newer firmware.

HomeSeer now has videos showing the double and triple tap options in use. Looks like a sweet switch for 40.00
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: jumper4000 on April 17, 2016, 02:36:04 am
I received one of these and so far, I'm very happy with it. I believe these are Dragon Tech dimmers with a custom HomeSeer firmware. According to HomeSeer, these are the differences -

These are the features in HomeSeer switches that are missing in Dragon, GE, Evolve, Enerwave and Linear switches:
- Instant status
- 2-tap, 3-tap, press & hold event triggers
- Persistent dim level indicator (Dragon indicator turns off after switch is set)
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: Lachette on June 29, 2016, 05:54:25 pm
I received one of these and so far, I'm very happy with it. I believe these are Dragon Tech dimmers with a custom HomeSeer firmware. According to HomeSeer, these are the differences -

These are the features in HomeSeer switches that are missing in Dragon, GE, Evolve, Enerwave and Linear switches:
- Instant status
- 2-tap, 3-tap, press & hold event triggers
- Persistent dim level indicator (Dragon indicator turns off after switch is set)

I received mine not too long ago, but noticed they get pretty warm when turned on, have you noticed yours like that? The non-dimmer HS switch doesn't get warm when its on.
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: integlikewhoa on June 30, 2016, 09:26:53 am
I received one of these and so far, I'm very happy with it. I believe these are Dragon Tech dimmers with a custom HomeSeer firmware. According to HomeSeer, these are the differences -

These are the features in HomeSeer switches that are missing in Dragon, GE, Evolve, Enerwave and Linear switches:
- Instant status
- 2-tap, 3-tap, press & hold event triggers
- Persistent dim level indicator (Dragon indicator turns off after switch is set)

I received mine not too long ago, but noticed they get pretty warm when turned on, have you noticed yours like that? The non-dimmer HS switch doesn't get warm when its on.

All dimmers get warm when they are dimmed down. That's why they have the metal plate on the front with the 3 tabs on each side to try a shed heat. I had GE ones before and seem about the same as these. 
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: emiliosic on August 11, 2016, 01:10:14 am
Does anyone know how to configure the double/triple/hold taps on Vera? Also, are there any option parameters to configure?
Thanks!
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: integlikewhoa on August 11, 2016, 07:34:45 pm
Does anyone know how to configure the double/triple/hold taps on Vera? Also, are there any option parameters to configure?
Thanks!

I don't think that or instant status works on VERA with these switches. But Homeseer sure is nice.
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: skogen75 on August 15, 2016, 05:36:28 pm
Thinking of trying these switches/dimmers.  I read on the HomeSeer web page the following...

Quote
HS-WD100+ and HS-WS100* provide instant status feedback and double-tap, triple-tap, press & hold functionality using the Z-Wave "central scene" command class. The feature is supported by all HomeSeer systems, including HS3 software and HomeTroller controllers. If you're using another brand of controller, be sure to check with that manufacturer to see if the central scene features are supported.

So, does anyone know if VeraPlus supports this 'central scene' command class?  I would like the instant status feedback to function.
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: integlikewhoa on August 15, 2016, 10:17:12 pm
Thinking of trying these switches/dimmers.  I read on the HomeSeer web page the following...

Quote
HS-WD100+ and HS-WS100* provide instant status feedback and double-tap, triple-tap, press & hold functionality using the Z-Wave "central scene" command class. The feature is supported by all HomeSeer systems, including HS3 software and HomeTroller controllers. If you're using another brand of controller, be sure to check with that manufacturer to see if the central scene features are supported.

So, does anyone know if VeraPlus supports this 'central scene' command class?  I would like the instant status feedback to function.

There was another thread that said it doesn't work with VERA, you might want to do a search.

Edit: Here it is for you.

http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,38476.msg287771.html#msg287771
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: skogen75 on August 16, 2016, 02:31:53 pm
Thanks, I read that very short thread.  There is no references that are included, they just say it does not work.  I would like to see some actual references to Vera that says that Vera does not support 'central scene' command class.  I did find a micasaverde page that does list command classes and 'central scene' (91) is one of them.  Now this may just be a list of all z-wave command classes and not necessarily those that Vera supports. 

http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/ZWave_Command_Classes (http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/ZWave_Command_Classes)

I also had a problem with my Aeotec micro smart dimmer not updating, and support told me to add configuration settings parameters 80, and 91. 

Variable: 80 Data Size: 1 byte dec Desired Value 1
Variable: 91 Data Size: 2 byte dec Desired Value 25

This '91' parameter may not be the same as the command class 'central scene' 91; and if you look up command class 80 it refers to 'basic window covering' command class, so this might not mean anything.  Z-wave seems like it has multiple layers and it can get confusing.
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: integlikewhoa on August 16, 2016, 04:16:30 pm
Thanks, I read that very short thread.  There is no references that are included, they just say it does not work.  I would like to see some actual references to Vera that says that Vera does not support 'central scene' command class.  I did find a micasaverde page that does list command classes and 'central scene' (91) is one of them.  Now this may just be a list of all z-wave command classes and not necessarily those that Vera supports. 

http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/ZWave_Command_Classes (http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/ZWave_Command_Classes)

I also had a problem with my Aeotec micro smart dimmer not updating, and support told me to add configuration settings parameters 80, and 91. 

Variable: 80 Data Size: 1 byte dec Desired Value 1
Variable: 91 Data Size: 2 byte dec Desired Value 25

This '91' parameter may not be the same as the command class 'central scene' 91; and if you look up command class 80 it refers to 'basic window covering' command class, so this might not mean anything.  Z-wave seems like it has multiple layers and it can get confusing.

Just like you did before I would contact VERA directly for that answer as so far no one has successfully got that to work. I have more then one of these switches and with Homeseer they create double and triple tap children more like a scene controller. So far that's not how VERA see's them but I haven't asked support directly about it. More then likely they will tell you they haven't tested them and there for don't currently offer support, but maybe they can give you a few ideas to try. If so post them and one of us that owns those can try it out if you don't have one. 
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: tamorgen on September 16, 2016, 10:18:54 am
Does anyone know how to configure the double/triple/hold taps on Vera? Also, are there any option parameters to configure?
Thanks!

I'm trying to determine this as well.  Did you ever figure it out?
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: emiliosic on September 16, 2016, 10:54:21 pm
No, something about the 'central scene' is not supported on Vera.
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: nutshellml on September 24, 2016, 07:00:33 am
Has anyone have updates on if instant status works with Vera plus?? I was thinking of pulling trigger on about 15-18 dimmers and really hoping at least the instant status works.  I mean smart things was able to get it integrated... come on vera...
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: emiliosic on September 24, 2016, 11:45:55 pm
Instant status works between Vera Plus and these dimmers, as well or as bad as with other older Z-Wave devices. Works most of the time, but for things where Vera needs to know the status, have a scene '_Poll Dimmers' that runs every 20 seconds and runs a poll action (Advance Editor).
Receiving status seems less reliable than sending command, so it depends on the network mesh, but it works.
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: tamorgen on October 04, 2016, 10:38:49 am
No, something about the 'central scene' is not supported on Vera.

Yeah, I got a sort of a confused reply when I asked Vera Tech support on this.  Seems like it should be something they could implement with firmware upgrade.
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: integlikewhoa on October 04, 2016, 12:55:35 pm
Yeah, I got a sort of a confused reply when I asked Vera Tech support on this.
 
Seems like it should be something they could implement with firmware upgrade.

Seems like both of these statements quiet normal and true when applied to alot of things missing form VERA.

Problem is upgrades are few and far between with little to no real fixes on them. They also usually brake just as much as they fix or more.

Altho it could happen just don't base several hundred dollars (675-810.00 for the 15-18 switches the poster above was asking about) on vera's (149.00) controller and their possible updates.

Think of it as parking your 1 million dollar car in your 150k house with a carport. Sure you can do it but just makes people think your priorities are a** backwards.
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: MTB on November 01, 2016, 02:55:31 pm
Hello, I bought one of the HomeSeer HS-WD-100+ wall dimmers and am trying to include it into my Vera 3 controller.  When I go to the add device in the UI (7), it does not include any HomeSeer devices.  My question is do I just try to include it as a generic device or as one of the other types of dimmer switches?  If one of the others, which one(s)?
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: integlikewhoa on November 01, 2016, 03:28:46 pm
Hello, I bought one of the HomeSeer HS-WD-100+ wall dimmers and am trying to include it into my Vera 3 controller.  When I go to the add device in the UI (7), it does not include any HomeSeer devices.  My question is do I just try to include it as a generic device or as one of the other types of dimmer switches?  If one of the others, which one(s)?

90% of devices need to be added as generic since the list Vera supports is so small. There is only a few devices that really require the specific device be chosen as it needs certain children added to fully function.

Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: MTB on November 01, 2016, 04:05:27 pm
Ok thank you very much.
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: ASpenCO on October 04, 2017, 11:51:16 am
Any updates on Vera supporting the multi-tap (scene-class?) gestures on the Homeseer switches yet?
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: dzmiller on October 06, 2017, 07:15:48 pm
As Homeseer is a Vera competitor I would not hold my breath waiting for device support.

Vera does support multitap on GoControl WD500Z5.
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: SocketFail on October 08, 2017, 06:00:58 pm
As Homeseer is a Vera competitor I would not hold my breath waiting for device support.

Vera does support multitap on GoControl WD500Z5.
Both products support multi-tap using the Z-Wave "central scene" command class. So, there shouldn't be any difference in support unless Vera specifically excluded HomeSeer products in their code. That's possible but it doesn't make a lot of business sense.
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: nayr14 on October 16, 2017, 01:26:50 am
As Homeseer is a Vera competitor I would not hold my breath waiting for device support.

Vera does support multitap on GoControl WD500Z5.
Both products support multi-tap using the Z-Wave "central scene" command class. So, there shouldn't be any difference in support unless Vera specifically excluded HomeSeer products in their code. That's possible but it doesn't make a lot of business sense.

I agree, if they aren't planning to come out with a matching product of their own, they might as well support the HS devices (especially if they are good)!
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: paul505 on January 02, 2019, 01:02:48 pm
Any updates on Vera supporting the multi-tap (scene-class?) gestures on the Homeseer switches yet?
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: adamb on January 04, 2019, 10:28:03 am
+ 1 on this request. Homeseer even wrote a handler for SmartThings to work. It would be great to see these working for scene control on the Vera platform, especially since there is no competing switch product in market from Vera / MIOS. The switches are high quality, I've installed many in my house.
Title: Re: HomeSeer HS-WD100+ Z-Wave Plus Scene Capable Wall Dimmer (and switch)
Post by: integlikewhoa on February 14, 2019, 11:29:28 am
The switches are high quality, I've installed many in my house.

Only thing your missing is HS3 and headless mini Windows box. Been a few years since I looked back.