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Title: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: vbrett on June 25, 2016, 03:06:53 pm
I have ordered the "AutoView" motorized blinds from Bali that are Z-Wave enabled. Does anyone know if it will
work with UI5 on a Vera2? This is replacing their RTS motors that you had to buy a separate ZRTSI (Z-Wave)
controller to convert the radio signal to Z-Wave. I know that the ZRTSI will work, just wondering about the new
"AutoView" motors.
Thanks,
Victor
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: zedrally on June 25, 2016, 05:15:44 pm
If they are Z Wave+, then no.You need UI6 of higher to drive them.
Welcome to the world of UI7 and all of it's associated misery.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: rafale77 on June 26, 2016, 11:49:10 am
Ohh I did not even know that such motors exist. Are they more than the RTS ones? I am in the middle of an order so I am very interested to know
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: vbrett on June 26, 2016, 02:32:50 pm
Seem to be about the same price except you don't have to spend the $300 for the Somfy ZRSTI RTS to Z-Wave interface controller.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: zebrablinds on June 26, 2016, 04:47:34 pm
They are Z-Wave+. Graber and Bali are manufactured by Springs Window Fashions (bali is their mass market brand) and we have sold quite a large number of the Graber versions of them known as virtual cord in the SmartThings community. They should come with a remote as well which also works over z-wave +.

Also one point I would like to specifically mention is the motor and z-wave system was designed by springs window fashions, Somfy simply manufactures and provides the warranty on them. (Based on the info we have been provided)

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: vbrett on June 27, 2016, 03:49:37 am
If they are Z Wave+, then no.You need UI6 of higher to drive them.
Welcome to the world of UI7 and all of it's associated misery.

Is it the UI that drives the ability to use Z-Wave + and/or the different type of Vera? I may just have to get another Vera
to automate the shades by itself. I have over 60 Z-Wave components on my system and don't want to risk the hassle
of my system becoming unstable. It has taken me years to get everything to work together.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: zedrally on June 27, 2016, 04:06:55 am
It is the UI. To operate any Z-wave plus devices you will need UI6 or higher.
I know from experience as I have a stable system on UI5. ZW+ devices will not configure on UI5 or lower.

You have stated you have UI2, Z wave plus devices will not work on UI2 or UI5.
I don't have a solution for you, other than move to UI7 ( and a new controller).


I wouldn't like to be in your boots right now, moving 60+ Devices might be problematical, mostly due to incompatibility with older devices.


A simpler solution might be to move to another automation system as I have decided to do.
Good luck.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: vbrett on June 27, 2016, 04:48:07 am
It is the UI. To operate any Z-wave plus devices you will need UI6 or higher.
I know from experience as I have a stable system on UI5. ZW+ devices will not configure on UI5 or lower.

You have stated you have UI2, Z wave plus devices will not work on UI2 or UI5.
I don't have a solution for you, other than move to UI7 ( and a new controller).


I wouldn't like to be in your boots right now, moving 60+ Devices might be problematical, mostly due to incompatibility with older devices.


A simpler solution might be to move to another automation system as I have decided to do.
Good luck.

Thank You. I appreciate the advice. ;D
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: rafale77 on July 19, 2016, 03:14:32 am
I actually went and compared the prices of the two solutions. I have 21 windows to put blinds or shades on so price matters.

Lowe's does not yet offer the Autoview. Apparently not for another month or so. You can actually look up both the Lowe's Bali and the Homedepot Bali website. They still offer the RTS system
Home depot however is now offering only the Autoview motors.
Looking at the difference in motor price, the list price difference is $55 per motor. With Lowe's Offering 25% off Bali shades and HD only 20%, the RTS option is far cheaper but limits me to 16 devices per RTS controller $56.8/shade. What I found surprising is that I got the ZRTSI for $89-20%-10%=$64. I also got a remote which I will likely return if the 16 channel ZRTSI is all setup correctly. Basically the price breaks almost even for a single shade or blind but a difference of ~$60/motor adds up.

By the way, the UI is not what determines whether the Zwave+ devices will work. It is the Zwave chip on the controller. At this point only the Vera Edge and the Vera Plus support Zwave+ and both of them just happen to be on UI7 only. Running UI7 on a VeraLite or 3 will not allow you to operate Zwave+ devices. Let alone a Vera 2.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: zebrablinds on July 19, 2016, 04:04:58 am
The ZRTSI is notoriously bad in terms of RTS range, you might need to consider purchasing a few additional units, setting everything up and then returning the ones you don't need.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: shady on July 19, 2016, 06:40:07 pm
the RTS option is far cheaper but limits me to 16 devices per RTS controller $56.8/shade. What I found surprising is that I got the ZRTSI for $89-20%-10%=$64. I also got a remote which I will likely return if the 16 channel ZRTSI is all setup correctly. Basically the price breaks almost even for a single shade or blind but a difference of ~$60/motor adds up.

Just to clarify, you get 16 channels of control with a ZRTSI, but that could control many more shades than 16 considering groups of shades can be controlled on the same channel.  The typical Somfy motor can store 12 transmitter IDs in its memory so the ZRTSI could control a motor on channel 1 as a group (with other shades), it could control that same shade individually on channel 2, and a handheld remote could also control that shade the same way on its own channel 1 and 2.  That would take up 4 transmitter ID slots in the motor memory. 

If you're going to go the RTS route, having a direct remote (not reliant on Vera) is one of the advantages over using Z-Wave motors, so you might consider keeping it.  RTS doesn't offer bi-directional communication a position feedback, but it does work pretty well being a 433 MHz (sub-GHz) signal so it goes through walls pretty well. 
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: zebrablinds on July 21, 2016, 10:37:01 am
Well, the Bali autoview and the Graber Virtual Cord (both use the same system) are not reliant on Vera specifically. Once you connect the shades to vera, you can add the remote as a secondary controller; so if the vera fails the remote still functions. As a worst case scenario there is a button on the shade as well with which you can operate. If your existing z-wave network goes down completely it takes about 30 seconds to repair the remote back as the main controller to the shade.

The autoview and virtual cord are also supposed to be a bit quieter than the standard RTS motors.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: rafale77 on July 21, 2016, 10:48:00 am
Well Lowes updated the list price of the ZRTSI or maybe it sold for more if bought without a shade. It is now $95 - 20% =$76.
Still roughly 70ish after coupons.

Thanks for all the inputs. I got another one just just in case and I am really not interested in having another remote control. It will just get lost somewhere never to be found... I am already changing TV channels through the Echo.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: zebrablinds on July 21, 2016, 11:12:51 am
From selling the ZRTSI for a few years the only real complaint we have received is range, which is why I recommended buying one or 2 units and then returning the ones you don't need. Otherwise their very reliable and will go for years without any issues.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: rafale77 on July 30, 2016, 09:33:26 am
Turns out the range on the ZRTSI is actually quite good. I installed in in a closet pretty much at the center of the house and am able to control units a floor and 2-3 walls away. Granted I have no concrete wall and it is all drywalls only. The bridge range is rated for 60ft through 2 concrete walls.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: Aaron on August 01, 2016, 01:41:56 am
Unless there is something wrong with the new Zwave+ motors, I'd rather do that. It just means less gateways/interfaces/plugins to deal with and you also get the direct feedback from each shade/blind/whatever.

Once I get some stuff taken care of I'll be jumping into this myself. (again) ... lots my job a month ago, want income stream again before dropping a few grand on shades :)

Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: yellowmonster on August 07, 2016, 03:28:25 pm
Has anyone tried the autoview motors yet?  I only want to control one window and this seems to be the perfect solution to 'keep it simple' and avoid the bridge.  How does it show up in UI7?  Can you share your experience?  I have the Vera Plus controller.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: rafale77 on August 31, 2016, 01:53:07 pm
Autoview is the way to go unless like me you got a good sale on RTS and have a huge number of windows to cover making it uneconomical. I easily saved a couple of thousands by going RTS.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: yellowmonster on September 17, 2016, 01:38:27 pm
I really like the idea of having the z-wave built into the shade - especially for smaller shade setups - keeps it simple.  I ordered one as a test for my foyer.  Took almost 8 weeks to come in.  Finally got it up and installed and the unit works like a charm - quiet and smooth operating.  Only issue I have is I cannot seem to pair with Vera - anyone know how this is done?  All google searches are for the RTS units, which this in not.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: RalexVera on September 19, 2016, 07:52:25 pm
Yes, my 6 Autoview blinds just arrived.  They work great with their individual controllers, but how do I pair them with my VeraEdge controller.  The Bali instructions are pitiful!

Sept 21st update: I was able to pair the Bali Autoview shades with my VeraEdge system, very easily once I tracked this down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mTF8uF7jnE

It's a video on how to add the Virtual Cord shades (apparently what the Bali shades really are) to a SmartThings network.  I followed these instructions and they worked perfectly.  I added the shades as a Generic Zwave device to Vera, and now have the control that I wanted, both via Vera and the individual button that comes with each shade.  Even though I added them as a generic device, Vera knows that they are window coverings, with Open and Close options, and a slider for partial opening/closing (like 50%).

Note that the Autoview shades are Zwave+ devices on their own. They do not need the ZRTSI device to connect to the Vera network.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: jillybean on November 04, 2016, 02:13:18 pm
Just paired my new Bali Roller Shade to VeraPlus using the You Tube link posted here by RalexVera:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mTF8uF7jnE

Happy to report it worked perfectly.  Thanks RalexVera.  I'd been looking everywhere for instructions without luck prior to your posting. 
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: gregreid on May 01, 2017, 09:35:15 am
I received 10 of the new AutoView Z-wave+ motors from Bali.  But I have an older Vera3 with UI5.  I tried the procedure from the YouTube video posted earlier on just one of the blinds (for starters) and it worked just fine at pairing the blinds with my Vera3.  I can control it up/down as expected.  There is a minor issue where it continually shows a red error about "unable to retrieve version info" from the blinds, but it doesn't seem to affect the operation.

But then the fun/frustration started when I tried to add my original Z-wave+ Bali blind controller as a secondary remote.  I was able to scan for and add it to the Vera3 fine.  But there's simply no way to get it re-added to control the blind.  And I haven't even tried the "single channel" remote yet.  I gave up in frustration upon reading somewhere that these new blinds are Z-wave+ but my Vera3 UI5 is Z-wave only.  Apparently I need a newer controller to work properly with the Z-wave+. 

I'm kicking myself for not responding to the $50 off offer from MiCasaVerde mid-March, for a $149 VeraPlus at $99.  I really intended to do the upgrade anyway ... but just put it off a little too long, it seems.  When I clicked on that e-mail link on Saturday, the offer had expired.  Dang.  So anyway, I ordered a new VeraPlus from Amazon and it will arrive later today.  I'm hopeful that it will fix my Bali remote control issue ... and that I'll also be able to figure out how to set up the single-channel remote to operate sets of blinds together.  The 10 blinds are arranged as: 3 dining room bay window, 3 living room bay window, 4 florida room windows.  I have three single-channel remotes (one for each of these groupings) -- plus 10 of the individual Bali remotes (one for each blind). 

I'll follow up with any news/tips once I'm done.

Greg
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: gregreid on May 01, 2017, 05:29:38 pm
My new VeraPlus arrived an hour ago from Amazon.  Some initial notes on the Vera3 (using UI5 firmware) to VeraPlus (using UI7) upgrade:

1. The instructions with the VeraPlus packaging tell you to go to http://home.getvera.com and login, and say that if a new user, click on "new account" or to login with your existing (Vera3) account.  Well that doesn't work.  If you try logging in with the existing Vera3 (UI5) account, it just spins at "Checking credentials".  I found an article that describes the problem and the circumvention.  You have to login to the home.getvera.com as a NEW user 'coz it's unable to check the credentials of a UI5 account.  Also, the new home.getvera.com (for UI7) has new password rules.  So you use the same account name (and e-mail address and everything else in its registration page), but a different password. 

2. I found instructions for transferring settings from older to newer Veras here: http://support.getvera.com/customer/en/portal/articles/1840689-intro-how-to-upgrade-from-vera-3-vera-2-or-veralite-to-veraedge-controller   and chose the one applicable to me, i.e. "Upgrade to VeraPlus or VeraEdge from VeraLite, Vera 2 or Vera 3 running UI5" (http://support.getvera.com/customer/portal/articles/1840699-upgrade-from-ui5-on-veralite-vera-2-or-vera-3). 

3. It tells you to go through the initial setup of the new controller, including assigning its name.  This is done as part of the setup wizard -- that you will be in upon first signing in successfully.  Once you get to the point of adding devices, you just exit from the wizard, because we're going to add them by copying from the Vera3.

4. The process of updating each of my Vera3 plugins broke several things (e.g. my Program Logic Controller settings, which is suddenly unable to resolve my "NIGHT" trigger), but I'll address those later on the new VeraPlus, eventually.

5. The article warns that the copying of the Zwave settings from old to knew can "take some time".  In my case (about 100 devices in my Vera3), it took about 20 minutes.  Be patient.

6. After the Zwave copy from Vera3 to VeraPlus, the Devices in the VeraPlus were "mostly" OK.  But quite a lot of the dimmable lights just had numbers instead of their original names.  And all of the battery powered devices were missing configuration.  (The instructions warn that they need to be "waked up", but I didn't bother ... I'll fix them later.)

7. After the restore of the backup file from Vera3 to VeraPlus, the "dimmable light #s" became properly named as they were originally.  It all looks pretty good -- apart from some of the battery powered devices and a few broken PLC devices.  I'm going to spend a little time getting everything squeaky-clean and make sure everything is working well before continuing with the setup of the new blinds.  More news as it happens...

Greg
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: Aaron on May 01, 2017, 09:19:14 pm
My new VeraPlus arrived an hour ago from Amazon.  Some initial notes on the Vera3 (using UI5 firmware) to VeraPlus (using UI7) upgrade:

Greg

Please delete your post and move it to the proper forum section (Upgrading)... http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php?board=32.0
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: fitz2380 on May 01, 2017, 09:29:40 pm
Where do you find the Bali Autoview motors that are compatible with zwave plus.  I have been to the Lowes and Bali sites and I only see the motors that require the RTS1 interface.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: gregreid on May 03, 2017, 02:10:26 pm
Quote
Where do you find the Bali Autoview motors that are compatible with zwave plus.  I have been to the Lowes and Bali sites and I only see the motors that require the RTS1 interface.
Re

I ordered mine about a month ago from blinds.com ... on the final day of a "buy one get one free" deal.  In talking to the blinds.com sales guy (who was excellent), I asked him about also buying a zrtsi device from them.  He thought, and then confirmed with his supervisor, that the newest AutoView powered blinds use Zwave+ directly.  And he was right!  I was able to pair them with my VeraPlus no problem. 

The factory-supplied Bali individual blind controllers are also Zwave+.  As is the optional single-channel remote (that can control a set of several blinds, e.g. three in a bay window, with one control).  It was a real pain to figure out the process to get these controllers working again.  But I've fumbled through the process with one set of four blinds (Florida room) with everything working great.  I documented my steps as I did them (with lots of backing up and starting over) and will test my own steps with a second set of 3 blinds (Dining room bay window) tonight, tweaking my documented steps as may be necessary.  And then I'll use those instructions to do the third and final set of 3 blinds (Living room bay window) tomorrow to confirm everything works as documented.  And then, finally, I'll publish that step-by-step here.

Greg

P.S. I wasted considerable time with getting the beta-test Vera voice control set up (via an Amazon Echo "Alexa" skill).  It's now working but is very slow ... like 5 seconds elapsed between "Alexa, set florida room blinds to 50 percent" and any movement.  OTOH, my original setup for my old Vera3 voice controlled devices, using the amazon-echo-ha-bridge (a Philips Hue Hub emulator from GitHub) accomplishes the same thing in a half-second.  So I'm giving up on Vera voice control for now and will continue to use the emulator setup (a Java webapp running on my NAS).  That's a story for another day too.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: Aaron on May 03, 2017, 02:49:13 pm
Quote
Where do you find the Bali Autoview motors that are compatible with zwave plus.  I have been to the Lowes and Bali sites and I only see the motors that require the RTS1 interface.
Re

I ordered mine about a month ago from blinds.com ... on the final day of a "buy one get one free" deal.  In talking to the blinds.com sales guy (who was excellent), I asked him about also buying a zrtsi device from them.  He thought, and then confirmed with his supervisor, that the newest AutoView powered blinds use Zwave+ directly.  And he was right!  I was able to pair them with my VeraPlus no problem. 

The factory-supplied Bali individual blind controllers are also Zwave+.  As is the optional single-channel remote (that can control a set of several blinds, e.g. three in a bay window, with one control).  It was a real pain to figure out the process to get these controllers working again.  But I've fumbled through the process with one set of four blinds (Florida room) with everything working great.  I documented my steps as I did them (with lots of backing up and starting over) and will test my own steps with a second set of 3 blinds (Dining room bay window) tonight, tweaking my documented steps as may be necessary.  And then I'll use those instructions to do the third and final set of 3 blinds (Living room bay window) tomorrow to confirm everything works as documented.  And then, finally, I'll publish that step-by-step here.

Greg

P.S. I wasted considerable time with getting the beta-test Vera voice control set up (via an Amazon Echo "Alexa" skill).  It's now working but is very slow ... like 5 seconds elapsed between "Alexa, set florida room blinds to 50 percent" and any movement.  OTOH, my original setup for my old Vera3 voice controlled devices, using the amazon-echo-ha-bridge (a Philips Hue Hub emulator from GitHub) accomplishes the same thing in a half-second.  So I'm giving up on Vera voice control for now and will continue to use the emulator setup (a Java webapp running on my NAS).  That's a story for another day too.

Sounds promising. I've been waiting on direct Zwave control so I may jump in when Home Depot or Lowes has thier 30% off... or if Blinds.com has their BoGo sale again. I have 16 windows (or more) to cover so cost is an issue.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: gregreid on May 10, 2017, 07:47:04 pm
I received 10 of the new AutoView Z-wave+ motors from Bali.  ...
I'll follow up with any news/tips once I'm done.

OK, I'm finally ready to "publish" my step-by-step procedure to getting my ten new Bali AutoView blinds set up and working with my VeraPlus -- as well as with their original unique blind controls and the optional Single-channel remote controls.  Since my earlier posting, I've had lots of VeraPlus issues unrelated to the blinds.  Everything is sorted out now, and I can control all of my blinds using Vera automation, by voice control through Alexa, and by their original remotes.

I've uploaded a PDF file of the step-by-step procedure to Google Drive area.  You can access it here:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BwUTizRM0r3TWHIxZjJZWDg5ck0 (https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BwUTizRM0r3TWHIxZjJZWDg5ck0)

I hope that it's useful to others.  It's been an "adventure" getting through it all, but the procedure does work (for me at least).

Greg

Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: Aaron on May 10, 2017, 07:49:27 pm
Interested in your feedback on the single channel remote... They told me that is the only way to control multiple shades without a hub?

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Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: gregreid on May 11, 2017, 12:01:29 pm
Interested in your feedback on the single channel remote... They told me that is the only way to control multiple shades without a hub?

If you want to control multiple AutoView blinds with a remote control device, then yes, you can use a single-channel remote paired to multiple blind sets (as I've done), AND/OR

Once you get your blinds controllable by Vera, you could use any ZWave remote (including the standard GE one, or one of the individual blind ones that come with your AutoView blinds) to trigger a scene that would operate the blinds together, AND/OR

Use Alexa with the ha-bridge (or Vera's beta Alexa voice skill) voice control to trigger a scene to do likewise  (as I've also done).  There's really no need to pay the extra for a single-channel remote, apart from some minor convenience.

Edited to add:
I should point out that the Bali single-channel remotes have an Up, Down, and a Home button, whreeas the individual blind remotes only have Up and Down.  The Home button is pretty useful, as I typically have my blinds in "Home" mode (50% down by default, but you can program a different Home setting in the blind). 

Also note that the Bali remotes normally operate the blinds directly.  They don't contact your Vera hub to tell it do control the blinds ... unless you programmed scenes in Vera to work that way.  So the remotes will work out of range of the Vera hub, or even if the hub is down, as long as they're in range of the blinds. 

My blinds came (from blinds.com) with little square plastic "tabs" and screws and anchors to attach the tabs to a wall.  The remotes then slip onto those tabs (but are easily removable if you want).  I've mounted my individual blind controls side-by-side on a wall fairly to the blinds that they control, so they're always available for individual blind control.  I've mounted my three single-channel remotes (one controls four Florida-room blinds; one controls three Dining-room blinds, and one controls three Living-room blinds) side by side on the wall in a main room where I can see all of the blinds from that central point.  And then of course I also have the option of "Alexa, turn on dining room blinds halfway" voice control, for example.  And I have six Alexa devices around my house, so one is always within "earshot". 
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: Aaron on May 11, 2017, 12:43:40 pm
awesome info, thank you!

I wish the single channel remotes had multiple presets/buttons and you could pair each preset with different set of shades. I have a room with 2 + 4 + 3 ... all within the same viewing area but want them controllable together and each set separately.  Looks like I'll mount an old android phone/tablet to the wall for ease of use and guests.

How do you like the shades? Quiet? Smooth? Syncronize properly? etc
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: gregreid on May 11, 2017, 01:12:36 pm
How do you like the shades? Quiet? Smooth? Syncronize properly? etc

They're not terribly quiet, but not noisy or bothersome.  You certainly hear them when operating, but you can easily carry on a conversation at a normal level.

They're smooth operating, and have a nice feature where the motors turn off about a second before the final position they've been commanded to, allowing their kinetic energy to finish the last few rotations.  Quite slick.

From the factory, their "Up" limit is set to a nice tight (but not overly tight!) compression of the cells flat, and the "Down" limit is set to exactly the length that you specified when ordering.  I found that spot-on; the bottom of the blind just barely rests on the bottom sill, and touches it gently (no sound).   The "Home" setting is exactly 50% of their "Up" and "Down" limits by default.  Everything is programmable if not quite right for your needs.  When I command all three blinds of the Living Room bay window set to "Home", they all look nice and parallel across the three windows.

I have just one blind (of ten) that hangs a little further down on the right than on the left.  It's a small flaw, but noticeable.  I have a request in for warranty repair/replacement on that one.

When you use the single-channel remote or a Vera scene to signal all blinds in a set to do something (up/down/home), they don't necessarily all move at once.  Sometimes they do, but there's often a lag between the signals reaching the binds to start their movement.  So it's not always as pretty as you'd like to see, i.e. all moving in unison.  But no biggie.

Rarely, one blind might miss the signal altogether, so you have to wait for the other blinds to complete their movement and then re-send the command to get the final blind to move.  This doesn't happen often enough to be a real problem.

The blinds themselves are very good looking.  I ordered the double-cell "Daybreak Piazza 3410" for all ten, and love it.  They let a little filtered light through, but are completely opaque from the outside.  The hardware is top-notch.  The dimensions were spot-on to what I ordered, and so their installation was fast and simple.

One minor but "shouldn't happen" inconvenience is that the batteries in the remotes were under 50% full charge, as received from the factory.  Once I got them hooked up to Vera, you can see their battery charge indicator, and they were all in the 7% to 50% range.  Most were in the 20-40% range, so I had to spend another $20 for 20 new batteries (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MBOK79C (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MBOK79C)).

I ran hard-wiring to each of my blinds, using a 20A 12VDC switching power supply in my attic (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007K2H0GI (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007K2H0GI)), and micro-USB cables (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NAG0YPD (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NAG0YPD)).  I cut off the "big end" and used the red and black power wires only.  This gave a nice and neat appearance, and I don't have to worry about replacing batteries.  But it was a major hassle during the ordering process to be "permitted" to NOT order any power supply (no wall warts; no battery pack) with the blinds.  They insist on ordering their $49 wall-warts, even if I was just going to throw them out.  It took several calls and supervisor involvement before it was "OK"d to ship without any power supplies.  As such, they all came with a "Custom order" designation, which adds some restrictions on my return/replace options.  Ridiculous, I know.

Greg

 
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: sjmn on June 11, 2017, 12:02:57 am
@gregreid
I'm interested in your last paragraph - you hard-wired your windows for low voltage power.  How did you know these Autoview motors are 12V and not 24V?
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: waltzer11 on September 16, 2017, 03:03:01 pm
How do you like the shades? Quiet? Smooth? Syncronize properly? etc

They're not terribly quiet, but not noisy or bothersome.  You certainly hear them when operating, but you can easily carry on a conversation at a normal level.

They're smooth operating, and have a nice feature where the motors turn off about a second before the final position they've been commanded to, allowing their kinetic energy to finish the last few rotations.  Quite slick.

From the factory, their "Up" limit is set to a nice tight (but not overly tight!) compression of the cells flat, and the "Down" limit is set to exactly the length that you specified when ordering.  I found that spot-on; the bottom of the blind just barely rests on the bottom sill, and touches it gently (no sound).   The "Home" setting is exactly 50% of their "Up" and "Down" limits by default.  Everything is programmable if not quite right for your needs.  When I command all three blinds of the Living Room bay window set to "Home", they all look nice and parallel across the three windows.

I have just one blind (of ten) that hangs a little further down on the right than on the left.  It's a small flaw, but noticeable.  I have a request in for warranty repair/replacement on that one.

When you use the single-channel remote or a Vera scene to signal all blinds in a set to do something (up/down/home), they don't necessarily all move at once.  Sometimes they do, but there's often a lag between the signals reaching the binds to start their movement.  So it's not always as pretty as you'd like to see, i.e. all moving in unison.  But no biggie.

Rarely, one blind might miss the signal altogether, so you have to wait for the other blinds to complete their movement and then re-send the command to get the final blind to move.  This doesn't happen often enough to be a real problem.

The blinds themselves are very good looking.  I ordered the double-cell "Daybreak Piazza 3410" for all ten, and love it.  They let a little filtered light through, but are completely opaque from the outside.  The hardware is top-notch.  The dimensions were spot-on to what I ordered, and so their installation was fast and simple.

One minor but "shouldn't happen" inconvenience is that the batteries in the remotes were under 50% full charge, as received from the factory.  Once I got them hooked up to Vera, you can see their battery charge indicator, and they were all in the 7% to 50% range.  Most were in the 20-40% range, so I had to spend another $20 for 20 new batteries (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MBOK79C (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MBOK79C)).

I ran hard-wiring to each of my blinds, using a 20A 12VDC switching power supply in my attic (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007K2H0GI (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007K2H0GI)), and micro-USB cables (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NAG0YPD (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NAG0YPD)).  I cut off the "big end" and used the red and black power wires only.  This gave a nice and neat appearance, and I don't have to worry about replacing batteries.  But it was a major hassle during the ordering process to be "permitted" to NOT order any power supply (no wall warts; no battery pack) with the blinds.  They insist on ordering their $49 wall-warts, even if I was just going to throw them out.  It took several calls and supervisor involvement before it was "OK"d to ship without any power supplies.  As such, they all came with a "Custom order" designation, which adds some restrictions on my return/replace options.  Ridiculous, I know.

Greg
I am almost ready to order. Just to clarify, a lot of times you used the word "blinds", but then you said your bought "double cell daybreak piazza 3410" from blinds.com which is a cellular shade not blinds.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: gregreid on September 16, 2017, 03:14:37 pm
Whoops, sorry.  You're right: I have cellular shades, not blinds. 

And since my post, I've ordered and installed (hard-wired with wiring through the ceiling and attic) nine more.  All used every day (automated with Vera) and all working great.

Note that Blinds.com often runs "buy one, get one at xx% off" promotions.  You'll want to wait for one of those.  They're often "buy one get one at 30% off", but I've seen them go to 40% and 50% and I think even once at 60% off for the second shade.

Finally, as I re-read my original post from months ago, I saw that I talked about one shade whose bottom hung a little lower on one side than the other.  The factory got back to me about that with instructions on how to fix it.  Pretty easy: take off one end cap from the bottom rail, which then allows you to slide out the thin metal cover over that rail, which gives you access to where the strings/cords are tied inside there -- using a neat plastic gizmo that allows you to easily un-tie, adjust length and re-tie the chords to make them hang evenly.  Took about 15 minutes to make the minor adjustment.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: waltzer11 on September 17, 2017, 04:08:39 pm
Whoops, sorry.  You're right: I have cellular shades, not blinds. 

And since my post, I've ordered and installed (hard-wired with wiring through the ceiling and attic) nine more.  All used every day (automated with Vera) and all working great.

Note that Blinds.com often runs "buy one, get one at xx% off" promotions.  You'll want to wait for one of those.  They're often "buy one get one at 30% off", but I've seen them go to 40% and 50% and I think even once at 60% off for the second shade.

Finally, as I re-read my original post from months ago, I saw that I talked about one shade whose bottom hung a little lower on one side than the other.  The factory got back to me about that with instructions on how to fix it.  Pretty easy: take off one end cap from the bottom rail, which then allows you to slide out the thin metal cover over that rail, which gives you access to where the strings/cords are tied inside there -- using a neat plastic gizmo that allows you to easily un-tie, adjust length and re-tie the chords to make them hang evenly.  Took about 15 minutes to make the minor adjustment.
No need to apologize. I am just not too clear and correct me if I am wrong, the AutoView feature only apply to shades and not blinds right? When I tried to customize my purchase (didnt buy yet), the bali blinds has no option for autoview; it only has an option for motorized tilt. I want to know if this motorized tilt for blinds is also zwave plus and will it also work for vera edge? thanks.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: vnr111 on October 16, 2017, 10:43:37 am
Autoview is the way to go unless like me you got a good sale on RTS and have a huge number of windows to cover making it uneconomical. I easily saved a couple of thousands by going RTS.

For those of you using the RTS, how are you able to set the blinds to 25%, 50%, 75% without feedback?

I thought I had gotten Z-wave blinds but just found out they were all RF
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: rafale77 on October 16, 2017, 07:21:09 pm
Autoview is the way to go unless like me you got a good sale on RTS and have a huge number of windows to cover making it uneconomical. I easily saved a couple of thousands by going RTS.

For those of you using the RTS, how are you able to set the blinds to 25%, 50%, 75% without feedback?

I thought I had gotten Z-wave blinds but just found out they were all RF

Only way to do this is to start and stop by time which is not super reliable. For blinds I am able to set 3 fixed positions (up, down, favorite) on the tilt but can only do time based on the shades.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: integlikewhoa on October 16, 2017, 09:36:33 pm
Back in July before I fished up this Room remodel I took a few videos to show the Bali Autoview Z-wave plus in action.

https://youtu.be/nIJhdKq4Jn4
and
https://youtu.be/5XE23aEScTs

I also have a bunch of pictures here on dropbox.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fsj9pr7axaomk65/AACHhCs29KpNg-sz2F9mP5Cra?dl=0

Battery life has been better then I thought (or not working) still showing 100% with about 1 open and close per day since July.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: waltzer11 on October 19, 2017, 04:00:33 pm
Interested in your feedback on the single channel remote... They told me that is the only way to control multiple shades without a hub?

If you want to control multiple AutoView blinds with a remote control device, then yes, you can use a single-channel remote paired to multiple blind sets (as I've done), AND/OR

Once you get your blinds controllable by Vera, you could use any ZWave remote (including the standard GE one, or one of the individual blind ones that come with your AutoView blinds) to trigger a scene that would operate the blinds together, AND/OR

Use Alexa with the ha-bridge (or Vera's beta Alexa voice skill) voice control to trigger a scene to do likewise  (as I've also done).  There's really no need to pay the extra for a single-channel remote, apart from some minor convenience.

Edited to add:
I should point out that the Bali single-channel remotes have an Up, Down, and a Home button, whreeas the individual blind remotes only have Up and Down.  The Home button is pretty useful, as I typically have my blinds in "Home" mode (50% down by default, but you can program a different Home setting in the blind). 

Also note that the Bali remotes normally operate the blinds directly.  They don't contact your Vera hub to tell it do control the blinds ... unless you programmed scenes in Vera to work that way.  So the remotes will work out of range of the Vera hub, or even if the hub is down, as long as they're in range of the blinds. 

My blinds came (from blinds.com) with little square plastic "tabs" and screws and anchors to attach the tabs to a wall.  The remotes then slip onto those tabs (but are easily removable if you want).  I've mounted my individual blind controls side-by-side on a wall fairly to the blinds that they control, so they're always available for individual blind control.  I've mounted my three single-channel remotes (one controls four Florida-room blinds; one controls three Dining-room blinds, and one controls three Living-room blinds) side by side on the wall in a main room where I can see all of the blinds from that central point.  And then of course I also have the option of "Alexa, turn on dining room blinds halfway" voice control, for example.  And I have six Alexa devices around my house, so one is always within "earshot".

Pardon me if this is not the right thread; got my first bali shade autoview and paired to vera successfully. Alexa is unable to discover the shade. Vera can open/close the shade. any suggestion please.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: gregreid on October 19, 2017, 04:45:54 pm
Alexa cannot "discover the shade" directly.  Alexa is only able to control a certain limited set of devices, and Z-wave isn't within that capability.  However...

What you can do (as I have done) is to set up the "ha bridge".   (Search in the micasaverde forums for it; it's available from GitHub.)  The ha bridge is a piece of Java software that emulates a Philips Hue Hub.  Alexa knows how to control a Philips Hue Hub (which in turn would normally control multiple Philips Hue lights linked to it.)  So by installing the ha bridge and setting up Alexa to discover it, Alexa then thinks that it's controlling the Philips Hue lights.  In turn, the ha bridge is configured to talk to your Vera controller (via http), which then performs the actual on/off/dim actions on your Z-wave devices.

You then configure the ha bridge with the appropriate http command syntax for each of your blinds (e.g. "on" is fully open while "off" is fully closed).  And then you can  say "Alexa, discover devices" (which will contact the ha bridge -- thinking it's a Philips Hue Hub -- to get the list of devices you've configured in the ha bridge web interface), and finally, you can say something like "Alexa, turn on living room blinds" to open them all. 

You have several choices of where to install the ha bridge software.  Whatever you choose needs to keep running, and be connected to your network of course.  I already had a NAS device, so I installed it there.  Works great.

It's not super-simple to set up.  Needs some technical expertise.  But it works well once done.

Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: waltzer11 on October 19, 2017, 05:49:58 pm
thanks for your prompt response. i am not that "techie". i hope someone will be able to create a plugin to make it simpler.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: integlikewhoa on October 19, 2017, 07:37:16 pm
thanks for your prompt response. i am not that "techie". i hope someone will be able to create a plugin to make it simpler.

I don't think a plugin will help you. This is an alexa issue not a vera cant control the shade issue.

Also I thought alexa and Vera play nice. The shades should just show up as a dimmer. I'm not sure if anyone else has gotten it to show up.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: gregreid on October 20, 2017, 09:43:20 am
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Also I thought alexa and Vera play nice.

Oh ya, I forgot to mention that.  Several months ago, Vera came up with a "Smarter Home" plug-in for Alexa called "Vera Control".  I installed it during their beta-testing phase, and found that while it "worked", it had severe lag issues.  In a side-by-side comparison, I created two names for turning on and off my kitchen light -- and set up one of them, "vera light", to be accessed via the Vera Control plugin, while the other, "bridge light" to be accessed via the HA Bridge.  When I said "Alexa, turn on vera light", it would consistently take 5-8 seconds to respond, where as "Alexa, turn off bridge light" would happen within a half-second.  I found this unusable.  I reported it to the Vera folks running the beta program and they admitted to some delays that they were working on. 

The Vera Control plug-in is now out of beta status; it's ready for anyone.  Perhaps they've improved its responsiveness; I haven't checked.  But it can never be as fast as the HA Bridge, because Alexa controls the bridge "directly" through your home network, whereas any Smart Home plug-in has a bunch of network hops back and forth to the Amazon Web Service platform where the plugin actually runs. 

I still use the Vera Controller, but for only one specific device: my hope thermostat.  That's because the HA Bridge doesn't currently have full support for thermostats (no setting of a particular temperature), whereas the Vera Controller plug-in does.

Anyway, for a non-techie, the Vera Controller plug-in to Alexa "Smart Home" is probably the best way to go ... and just live with the response-time lag.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: gregreid on October 20, 2017, 09:51:14 am
I'm interested in your last paragraph - you hard-wired your windows for low voltage power.  How did you know these Autoview motors are 12V and not 24V?

I completely missed this post/question from long ago.  Sorry.

I zoomed in on a clear picture that I found somewhere of the official Springs Window Fashions "wall wart" label, where I could clearly read 12VDC.  I also confirmed with the Blinds.com salesman (who went and asked someone). 

The odd thing is that they chose to use a micro USB form-factor for the power lead.  As you know, USB is always 5VDC.  But anyway, it makes a good and compact connector, and I simply ordered some long micro USB leads from Amazon for my hard wiring (cutting off the "big end" and using the red + and black - for power).
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: waltzer11 on October 20, 2017, 12:15:52 pm
thanks for your prompt response. i am not that "techie". i hope someone will be able to create a plugin to make it simpler.

i agree: plugin may not help. Gregreid, you mentioned that java software emulates Philips Hue Hub. So if i buy the Philips Hue or the Smarthing Hub ($60 and $80 respectively at amazon) and make one one of them as the primarily controller just for the autoview bali shades, will it solve my problem? meaning since you said alexa can communicate with Philips Hue Hub, then i can ask alexa to turn on/off the shade.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: integlikewhoa on October 20, 2017, 02:09:38 pm
thanks for your prompt response. i am not that "techie". i hope someone will be able to create a plugin to make it simpler.

i agree: plugin may not help. Gregreid, you mentioned that java software emulates Philips Hue Hub. So if i buy the Philips Hue or the Smarthing Hub ($60 and $80 respectively at amazon) and make one one of them as the primarily controller just for the autoview bali shades, will it solve my problem? meaning since you said alexa can communicate with Philips Hue Hub, then i can ask alexa to turn on/off the shade.

The free java program (HA-Bridge) doesn't require an actual hue hub or a smart things hub.

It does mimic a hue hub but allows you to add non hue devcies to it using http or url. So all of veras devices can be added.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: gregreid on October 20, 2017, 02:44:55 pm
So if i buy the Philips Hue or the Smarthing Hub ($60 and $80 respectively at amazon) and make one one of them as the primarily controller just for the autoview bali shades, will it solve my problem? meaning since you said alexa can communicate with Philips Hue Hub, then i can ask alexa to turn on/off the shade.

No.  A Philips Hue hub only knows how to control Philips Hue lights, AFAIK.  It has no way of controlling Z-wave devices.  So although Alexa can talk to the Hue, the Hue doesn't help with your blinds.

A SmartThings hub is similar to a Vera controller, for Z-wave devices.  But Alexa doesn't know how to talk to SmartThings any more than she knows how to talk to Vera ... which is to say, not at all.

I suggest you try adding the Vera Controller plug-in (aka "Vera Controller Smart Home Skill") and allowing it to provide the interface between Alexa and your Vera Z-wave devices (including your blinds).  There will be some lagginess, as I mentioned earlier, but it is much easier to set up than the HA Bridge.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: waltzer11 on October 20, 2017, 05:02:11 pm
So if i buy the Philips Hue or the Smarthing Hub ($60 and $80 respectively at amazon) and make one one of them as the primarily controller just for the autoview bali shades, will it solve my problem? meaning since you said alexa can communicate with Philips Hue Hub, then i can ask alexa to turn on/off the shade.

No.  A Philips Hue hub only knows how to control Philips Hue lights, AFAIK.  It has no way of controlling Z-wave devices.  So although Alexa can talk to the Hue, the Hue doesn't help with your blinds.

A SmartThings hub is similar to a Vera controller, for Z-wave devices.  But Alexa doesn't know how to talk to SmartThings any more than she knows how to talk to Vera ... which is to say, not at all.

I suggest you try adding the Vera Controller plug-in (aka "Vera Controller Smart Home Skill") and allowing it to provide the interface between Alexa and your Vera Z-wave devices (including your blinds).  There will be some lagginess, as I mentioned earlier, but it is much easier to set up than the HA Bridge.


"Vera Controller" is already included as smart home skill and Alexa can control all my zwave devices (except autoview bali shade) including Wink devices and harmony hub. my wife is very fond of Alexa: Alexa turn on/off TV, dim light1 to 50%, turn off kitchen light, turn on stereo, etc. now i am in trouble - last night she ask if Alexa can open/close this new shade. i lied and said they are still fixing the problem - LOL. i have 9 corded shades that we open and close manually since year 2000. i bragged about autoview and told her pretty soon you dont have to do this manually. By the way, YouTube shows autoview bali blinds can be operated by SmartThings hub. anyway, thanks for all the input
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: gregreid on October 20, 2017, 05:53:29 pm
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By the way, YouTube shows autoview bali blinds can be operated by SmartThings hub.

Yes, a SmartThings hub can control autoview blinds, as it can control most any Z-wave device.  Ditto for Vera.  But Alexa can't talk to the SmartView hub, AFAIK.

So you ALREADY have the Vera Controller skill for Alexa Smart Home?  And you're using it to control lots of other Zwave devices (via Vera).  Great.  I'm surprised that it doesn't know how to control blinds, but I know that it does have some "filters" on what it'll control.  For example, it refuses to control any time of "lock" device "for security reasons".  Still, it ought to be able to control blinds, I'd think.  You did re-run the discovery process after adding your blinds, right?  If so, maybe you could take it up with the Vera support folks.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: waltzer11 on October 20, 2017, 06:25:04 pm
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By the way, YouTube shows autoview bali blinds can be operated by SmartThings hub.

Yes, a SmartThings hub can control autoview blinds, as it can control most any Z-wave device.  Ditto for Vera.  But Alexa can't talk to the SmartView hub, AFAIK.

So you ALREADY have the Vera Controller skill for Alexa Smart Home?  And you're using it to control lots of other Zwave devices (via Vera).  Great.  I'm surprised that it doesn't know how to control blinds, but I know that it does have some "filters" on what it'll control.  For example, it refuses to control any time of "lock" device "for security reasons".  Still, it ought to be able to control blinds, I'd think.  You did re-run the discovery process after adding your blinds, right?  If so, maybe you could take it up with the Vera support folks.

Yes i ran discovery 3 times after "forget all devices". good suggestion, i will contact vera support and will update you. thanks.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: integlikewhoa on October 20, 2017, 06:46:41 pm
By the way, YouTube shows autoview bali blinds can be operated by SmartThings hub. anyway, thanks for all the input

I operate mine with homeseer and vera can do it too. The problem like already said is Alexa control not vera. you can control the blinds with vera app. You need alexa to understand it.

I know that the bridge will work for you. I also know that homeseer (and probley vera but i'm not sure) see's the blinds as a dimming bulb. So by nature alexa finds my blinds from homeseer as a dimming light bulb. Problem comes in when you use the words up and down 50% vs. saying dim to 50% or turn on or turn off.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: waltzer11 on October 21, 2017, 05:09:28 pm
By the way, YouTube shows autoview bali blinds can be operated by SmartThings hub. anyway, thanks for all the input

I operate mine with homeseer and vera can do it too. The problem like already said is Alexa control not vera. you can control the blinds with vera app. You need alexa to understand it.

I know that the bridge will work for you. I also know that homeseer (and probley vera but i'm not sure) see's the blinds as a dimming bulb. So by nature alexa finds my blinds from homeseer as a dimming light bulb. Problem comes in when you use the words up and down 50% vs. saying dim to 50% or turn on or turn off.

Yes Vera also detects it as a dimming bulb. I used VeraMate app and shows with a slider. VeraMate has a voice control; I just gave a command dim office shade to 50% and it did. Vera support ask me to rename the shade from Shade1 to Office Shade but still Alexa did not discover it. I will have problem using the bridge; I am not familiar with coding, programming, even lua code. If I need a lua code I search this forum and/or ask for help. thanks.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: integlikewhoa on October 22, 2017, 02:46:20 pm
Yes Vera also detects it as a dimming bulb. I used VeraMate app and shows with a slider. VeraMate has a voice control; I just gave a command dim office shade to 50% and it did. Vera support ask me to rename the shade from Shade1 to Office Shade but still Alexa did not discover it. I will have problem using the bridge; I am not familiar with coding, programming, even lua code. If I need a lua code I search this forum and/or ask for help. thanks.

The bridge uses no code. its a java program that when runs allows everything to be setup via a web browser. On a windows computer that means you double click the icon and it runs. 
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: waltzer11 on October 23, 2017, 11:47:31 am
Yes Vera also detects it as a dimming bulb. I used VeraMate app and shows with a slider. VeraMate has a voice control; I just gave a command dim office shade to 50% and it did. Vera support ask me to rename the shade from Shade1 to Office Shade but still Alexa did not discover it. I will have problem using the bridge; I am not familiar with coding, programming, even lua code. If I need a lua code I search this forum and/or ask for help. thanks.

The bridge uses no code. its a java program that when runs allows everything to be setup via a web browser. On a windows computer that means you double click the icon and it runs.

thanks. i started to google how to install HA bridge. with my 72-year old brain, i'll probably have a hard time or will take me longer to make it work. do you still need vera if you have HA bridge successfully running?
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: gregreid on October 23, 2017, 12:04:44 pm
do you still need vera if you have HA bridge successfully running?

Yes!  The HA Bridge is a piece of java software that forms the "bridge" between Alexa (who thinks she's talking to a Philips Hue Hub) and your Vera (which actually controls the Z-wave devices, like your blinds).
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: blink451 on October 24, 2017, 08:23:03 pm
I'm able to control my Autoview shades with Alexa by creating scenes in UI7 (no ha-bridge required). For example, I have scenes named "Shades Raised" and "Shades Lowered" which open/close the shades. Alexa is able to find these scenes through discovery. It's a little awkward to say "Alexa, turn on shades raised," but it works.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: waltzer11 on October 29, 2017, 04:11:48 pm
I'm able to control my Autoview shades with Alexa by creating scenes in UI7 (no ha-bridge required). For example, I have scenes named "Shades Raised" and "Shades Lowered" which open/close the shades. Alexa is able to find these scenes through discovery. It's a little awkward to say "Alexa, turn on shades raised," but it works.
i also have scenes in UI7 "close office shade" and "open office shade. Alexa was able to discover these 2 scenes. i did exactly your command: "Alexa turn off close office shade". her answer: office shade doesnt support that. i will try to rename the shade.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: gregreid on October 30, 2017, 08:29:57 am
If you have Alexa controlling blinds through Vera scenes, then you must have the Vera Smart Skill added to Alexa's Smart Home capabilities.  And that's fine ... it does work and is relatively easy to set up, but as I mentioned before, I was disappointed in the several second lag between my voice command and the action.  I already had the HA Bridge installed and set up, so I stayed with it.

As for "open" and "close" commands not working, Alexa waffled back and forth on this a few times in the past several months.  Initially "open" was equivalent to "turn on", and "close" was equivalent to "turn off".  And that was great!  (Note that folks in the UK often use "open the kitchen light", so it made sense.  But then Alexa started tightening things down, thinking that "open" and "close" would be used to control locks (like your front door) and they didn't want to support that (for security reasons).  At least that's my hunch of why they stopped supporting open/close.  Yet, a few weeks after they stopped supporting the open/close as equivalent to turn on/off, they reverted to supporting open/close again.  And then back to not supported yet again.  It's stayed not supported for some months now.  Pity.   

So anyway, I currently have scenes for my blinds so that I can "Alexa, turn on living room blinds" to close then, "Alexa, turn off living room blinds" to open them, and "Alexa, turn on (or off) living room blinds halfway" to set them to their 50% position.  It was so much nicer to be able to say "Alexa, open living room blinds" (for example), but Alexa won't let you do that anymore.

IMO, Alexa's settings should allow a configurable checkbox for us to specifically tell it that "I want to allow open/close as equivalent to turn on/turn off, and I accept the security risk of doing so".

Greg
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: waltzer11 on October 30, 2017, 06:44:03 pm
i removed the shade from vera and paired it with my Wink hub successfully and Wink can open and close the shade. usually, wink will create that device in vera and alexa will be able to control it but NO GOOD. the GE bulb and Cree bulb for Wink appeared in vera. something is wrong. anyway thanks for the input. vera support did not get back to me yet for follow up. i just emailed alexa support. very frustrating.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: waltzer11 on November 12, 2017, 07:01:46 pm
Back in July before I fished up this Room remodel I took a few videos to show the Bali Autoview Z-wave plus in action.

https://youtu.be/nIJhdKq4Jn4
and
https://youtu.be/5XE23aEScTs

I also have a bunch of pictures here on dropbox.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fsj9pr7axaomk65/AACHhCs29KpNg-sz2F9mP5Cra?dl=0

Battery life has been better then I thought (or not working) still showing 100% with about 1 open and close per day since July.

since you have battery operated, can you clue me in please: (1) i have 9 windows not same sizes but about 31-1/8 W, 65-1/4 H, do i need dual or just single battery wand, (2) is the battery case visible or hidden somewhere behind the headrail. i dont want to deal with replacing batteries periodically but i dont want to use transformer because the power cords will be very unsightly in a room where we entertain guests and relatives. it's an inside mount and hard wiring 9 shades is not an option. thanks
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: integlikewhoa on November 13, 2017, 10:50:28 am
since you have battery operated, can you clue me in please: (1) i have 9 windows not same sizes but about 31-1/8 W, 65-1/4 H, do i need dual or just single battery wand, (2) is the battery case visible or hidden somewhere behind the headrail. i dont want to deal with replacing batteries periodically but i dont want to use transformer because the power cords will be very unsightly in a room where we entertain guests and relatives. it's an inside mount and hard wiring 9 shades is not an option. thanks

The battery wand on mine is hidden between the window frame and blinds on my install, this might vary depending on how your window is setup. I went with one wand on mine, but I can plugin a 2nd anytime in the future if I choose too. From what I know the hight of the window make a bigger impact on battery life then the width due to how long the motor runs to pull the blinds up.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: jlind on December 14, 2017, 02:41:52 pm
Has anyone tried using a solar charger setup with battery power on these AutoView blinds?  I have 3 windows high up in an open (24ft ceiling) room.  The blinds are like 4ft wide by 5ft tall.  I'd like to have them be able to completely cycle 2x a day on a schedule. 

I really don't want to have to grab my extension ladder to recharge the batteries every few months.  If I can go may 2-3 years without having to get up there, that would be awesome.  It doesn't seem like I'm hearing much information about using a solar panel to help keep the batteries charged.  Any info would be great!
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: integlikewhoa on December 14, 2017, 03:40:37 pm
Has anyone tried using a solar charger setup with battery power on these AutoView blinds?  I have 3 windows high up in an open (24ft ceiling) room.  The blinds are like 4ft wide by 5ft tall.  I'd like to have them be able to completely cycle 2x a day on a schedule. 

I really don't want to have to grab my extension ladder to recharge the batteries every few months.  If I can go may 2-3 years without having to get up there, that would be awesome.  It doesn't seem like I'm hearing much information about using a solar panel to help keep the batteries charged.  Any info would be great!

I'm sure something can be made, but solar is not a factory option for these. Atleast not when I got mine.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: jlind on December 14, 2017, 03:52:08 pm
Is the battery pack something that you charge as a unit or is it expected that you'll remove the batteries to charge them? 
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: integlikewhoa on December 15, 2017, 01:46:45 pm
Is the battery pack something that you charge as a unit or is it expected that you'll remove the batteries to charge them?

The pack take AA's batteries and has a USB connector that plugs into the blinds. So the "Battery Pack" is really just a battery holder that you load with AA's. Like my door lock I use  "Energizer Ultimate Lithium AA Batteries". I also think that's the same batteries they came with. Rechargeable cheaper in long run but don't last as long and have less total voltage to start with.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: waltzer11 on January 24, 2018, 06:21:03 pm
maybe someone knows the answer to my questions and would appreciate your input.
(1) i have 9 shades. i re-assigned shade 9's two button remote to be the group controller successfully. so when press up/down button on the group remote control (shade 9), all the other shades respond, and these other shades (8 of them) can also be controlled by their individual remote control. what happen to shade 9? i cannot open/close just by itself

(2) to include theses 9 shades to vera, i understand i have to reset or exclude all the remotes and the shades from their network. will i lose the group control feature?
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: integlikewhoa on January 25, 2018, 01:05:14 pm
maybe someone knows the answer to my questions and would appreciate your input.
(1) i have 9 shades. i re-assigned shade 9's two button remote to be the group controller successfully. so when press up/down button on the group remote control (shade 9), all the other shades respond, and these other shades (8 of them) can also be controlled by their individual remote control. what happen to shade 9? i cannot open/close just by itself

(2) to include theses 9 shades to vera, i understand i have to reset or exclude all the remotes and the shades from their network. will i lose the group control feature?

Not sure the right or wrong way to do this, but for me I hardly ever use the remotes...... But what I did is include the shades and also include the remotes. Then use the remotes in a scene to control the shades I want. So there is no direct control of shade from remote.

Remotes for me just added as a scene controller. I can see battery life and create events based on button presses blinds or not related to blinds. 
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: msweetmo on February 24, 2018, 02:08:54 am
Does anyone know the tube diameter of the the solar shades with the Autoview option? I'm thinking of buying 2 more blinds for a room where I already have 3 blinds.com blinds (manual operation) and I would like to be able to convert the exiting ones to Autoview.  The current blinds have a 1.5in OD and 1 3/8ID Aluminum tube with a single key notch that is ~0.25in

Also, anyone know how I would be able to get autoview motors and brackets for the existing blinds?

Any other ideas for 1 3/8ID blinds?

Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: integlikewhoa on February 24, 2018, 08:54:55 pm
Does anyone know the tube diameter of the the solar shades with the Autoview option? I'm thinking of buying 2 more blinds for a room where I already have 3 blinds.com blinds (manual operation) and I would like to be able to convert the exiting ones to Autoview.  The current blinds have a 1.5in OD and 1 3/8ID Aluminum tube with a single key notch that is ~0.25in

Also, anyone know how I would be able to get autoview motors and brackets for the existing blinds?

Any other ideas for 1 3/8ID blinds?

I don't think your going to find "Autoview motors"
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: jbonzey on April 22, 2018, 09:05:15 pm
I was able to use the following video to pair my new Bali shade to Vera.   I selected generic device within Vera edge when I paired.   I have it being controlled with the included shade remote as well as Alexa through Vera scenes.

Using routines within Alexa i am able to execute saying Alexa open the shade and Alexa close the shade

The following also works for Vera even though it says smart things:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8mTF8uF7jnE


 
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: kazenami on July 09, 2018, 08:31:46 am
Has anyone tried using a solar charger setup with battery power on these AutoView blinds?  I have 3 windows high up in an open (24ft ceiling) room.  The blinds are like 4ft wide by 5ft tall.  I'd like to have them be able to completely cycle 2x a day on a schedule. 

I really don't want to have to grab my extension ladder to recharge the batteries every few months.  If I can go may 2-3 years without having to get up there, that would be awesome.  It doesn't seem like I'm hearing much information about using a solar panel to help keep the batteries charged.  Any info would be great!

I got it work with the Somfy Solar Pack made for Somfy Blinds. The autoview power supply puts out 15V and the pack puts out 12V (10V for rechargeable). And since the AA is in series, it's the same amperage for the AA's. Just cut off the end of the wire with a male micro USB and connect it to the Somfy Battery Tube's cable and use the included Y splitter.  Then connect to the motor. It's been working great for me so far.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: jbonzey on July 09, 2018, 08:59:41 am
Thanks for the info. Perfect for tough to reach places but at $140 that?s a lot of batteries :)
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: integlikewhoa on July 09, 2018, 12:44:49 pm
Thanks for the info. Perfect for tough to reach places but at $140 that?s a lot of batteries :)

I have had my two blinds for just over a year now and have not replaced batteries. One shows 100% one show 90%. I open and close about once a day, maybe not everyday. I pay around 11.00 for the 8 batteries it takes and use Lithium AA Energizers. I thought I would need solar but I'm good with batteries. I also only use a single battery pack, not the optional double. But I would say solar is not needed unless your opening and closing several times a day. I also just bought one more blind that I just installed last weekend. This one is 90" wide. None of my blinds are more then 3 foot tall. And the batteries will eat up faster if you window is 6 foot tall vs. 3ft due to the motor run time to raise and lower the double height. The width adds a bit more load to the motors but don't think it effects battery life as much as just taking twice as long to raise the blind due to a tall window. 
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: JungleGirl on July 10, 2018, 03:04:32 pm
Do you have to be a costco member to purchase the AutoView Bali shades? That is the only option I am seeing when I google.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: jbonzey on July 11, 2018, 07:47:21 am
I got mine at blindsaver.com
I selected Bali DiamondCell Double Cell Light Filtering Shades then when you go in to  - customize and buy - step 4 makes you select how to control them and - autoview motorization - is an option

Also as an FYI it comes by default with a little remote for the specific shade so you don?t need to buy the single channel remote they have as an option.



Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: waltzer11 on July 11, 2018, 02:09:27 pm
I am not cheap but i consider myself a smart buyer. so I did comparative shopping for about 2-3 months comparing prices: BlindSaver.com, Blinds.com, Costco, Home Depot, Lowes, American Blinds and probably 2 more stores. I ended up buying from Blindsaver.com 9 Autoview Bali roller shades for $2150.48. I don't mind waiting for a long time. I will do it again this winter holidays. I don't want to bother with replacing batteries so I bought all with transformer. It came out to $318.59 per shade
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: integlikewhoa on July 11, 2018, 07:58:41 pm
I am not cheap but i consider myself a smart buyer. so I did comparative shopping for about 2-3 months comparing prices: BlindSaver.com, Blinds.com, Costco, Home Depot, Lowes, American Blinds and probably 2 more stores. I ended up buying from Blindsaver.com 9 Autoview Bali roller shades for $2150.48. I don't mind waiting for a long time. I will do it again this winter holidays. I don't want to bother with replacing batteries so I bought all with transformer. It came out to $318.59 per shade

Depending on the material and size, with no batteries 318 seems like a normal price at HomeDepot. Bali was just 30% off two weeks ago. I spend around 350 for Black out 3/8" double cell with batteries. I think it was like 20-30 cheaper without batteries.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: waltzer11 on July 12, 2018, 12:03:57 pm
$318.59 each shade (9 of them) 31-1/2" W x 65-1/4"H; light filtering roller shades, Estevan collection, color: Boutique including Valance. Total for the 9 shades $2867.31 less discount of $716.83 = $2150.48, no tax. At that time everyone else are more expensive including Home Depot. It's worth investing time to shop around. just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: ojovilla on July 17, 2018, 03:29:03 pm
I have had these for about 2 years now. Blindsaver was the cheapest , they are all distributors as the original manufacturer is springwindowfashions . I started off with energizer lithium batteries , but realized that would be expensive , I also tried some rechargeable lithum (12v) batteries from a brand called (Sorbo) , they work quite well with a usb charging interface. I eventually decided to hardwire , cost me about 80 bucks for all components for 8 blinds giving the right Volts and Amps to each blind.

I can share components if anyones interested.

Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: oldtown on August 18, 2018, 03:22:44 pm
How would one hardwire the motor? I'm gutting out sunroom and want to get the electrician to pre-wire the windows to accommodate the motor.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: maja on August 26, 2018, 12:42:37 am
I got some of these blinds and I am trying to wire them up to a 12V power supply to replace the power packs (which I never intended to use). So what I did is removing the batteries and just leave the open case that is mounted between the blinds and window. I then hooked up the negative of the power supply to the negative on that open case (where the negative of the batteries would go). The positive of the power supply was connected to the positive on that open case. So basically I replaced the batteries with the power supply but still using the power pack setup. So far so good. Everything works.

I know wanted to remove the entire battery pack and not just the batteries. So I disconnected the USB cable that comes from the motor and the USB cable that comes from the battery pack. Then I took a 'charger' USB cable and connected that to the USB cable of the motor. Then I hooked up the power supply to the other cut off part of the 'charger' USB cable. However, the motor doesn't butch. Reversing polarity didn't help and I know the motor wasn't damaged because when I hook it up to the battery pack again it works.

So somehow that 'charger' USB cable is messing something up. This cable has just two conductors as it is meant to only fast charge Android devices (no data) using two thicker power conductors. So that really just leaves two possible conclusions. Either that 'charger' cable is somehow messed up or Somfy uses some proprietary connection, maybe combining two pins for positive and two pins for negative or something different altogether. Does anybody know how the Somfy USB cables/connectors are wired up?
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: maja on August 26, 2018, 01:52:10 am
Ok, never mind. I took a really cheap micro USB cable, cut it apart and hooked up the red wire to positive and the black wire to negative (can be confusing because for 120V circuits black is line/120V and white is neutral). It worked without a problem. So the culprit is that $3.5 charger cable from ebay.

Having said that, the cheap cable has super thin power wires. I can keep the resistance low by keeping the wire short but I am still concerned. Does anybody have recommendations for a good USB cable, possibly just a two conductor cable to provide power?
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: Don Phillips on August 26, 2018, 07:26:00 pm
You can probably get some 18 or 20 gauge cord at Radio Shack.
Title: Re: New AutoView Z-Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: maja on August 27, 2018, 01:49:25 am
I have a good selection of wires but that's not the problem. The wires going to the blinds are 16/4 wires. Trying to solder two 16AWG wires to two micro USB connector pins positioned very closely to each other is the challenge. So I just want to get a micro USB cable, cut it and then solder the USB's internal power cables to my 16 AWG cables. It's kind of hard to find the appropriate cable.

Having said that, it seems the motors use less than 1A but can peak to about 2A when starting up. In any case, even if moving the shades up takes like 10-20s you are not challenging the cable for a long time (like charging a cellular phone for 30 minutes to 2 hours). So just look for a USB cable that supports 2A charging (most fast charging USB cables do). If you want to go overboard or don't trust specs then just go for a cable that supports 2.4A charging. This far exceeds the demand for 2A peak charge for less than 1 second and less than 20-40s of 1A to move the motor.
Title: New AutoView Z Wave Somfy Motors from Bali
Post by: Darrenrex on September 03, 2018, 05:40:16 pm
Lund Alaskan. Comes in 16,18,and 20. Tiller or side console. You buying new or used?


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