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Title: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: brerspidur on November 16, 2016, 08:44:34 pm
So I have been using the vera echo beta, works good, about the same performance as the unofficial skill, but it names the devices as the room-device name, so you have to reference devices this way.  for instance if I have a switch called "kitchen light" in room "Kitchen", i have to tell Alexa to turn on "kitchen kitchen light".


Update: the naming must have had to sync or something, because now all devices are working as expected, I no longer have to say room - device, I can now just say turn on device
Title: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: bwoods113 on November 17, 2016, 07:07:50 am
https://www.reddit.com/r/homeautomation/comments/5dd0dt/vera_7019_release_echo_integration_beta/
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Dpc131 on November 17, 2016, 10:40:37 am
I'll try to keep my official discussion on this thread so we don't all pollute the other vera bridge thread.

Just an FYI, it does in fact appear that Alexa takes a little bit of time to parse out the room names from the device names in the database. When first using the Skill, you need to say the room name before the device name "Turn on Hallway, Hall Light" instead of just "Turn on Hall Light." However after about 30 minutes it automagically distinguished room names from the device name so the latter call of just "Turn on Hall Light" works.

Even though the release notes said scenes were supported, I can't seem to figure out how to implement them. Also, when I was working through it last night, complex logic hadn't seemed to work such as "Turn off all Living Room Lights" I'll try that again tonight with some more variety in what I'm saying.

Also, this provides some fledgling IFTTT support through Alexa albeit kind of a complicated work flow. I have a Nexia-locked Thermostat (AZONE-950) that I now hope I can set up to use IFTTT connected to Alexa in order to use Home/Away from Vera via a virtual Switch to set the Home/Away mode of the thermostat. We'll see if that works

Other than that, I got a firmware upgrade implemented the first time on my Vera Edge without failed upgrades, re-configuring, restores, constant Lua Reboots, etc. I'll give that a thumbs up for now.

Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: bwoods113 on November 17, 2016, 10:55:44 am
I was able to upgrade my firmware on my vera plus without any issues, I went to the portal and enabled the skill and i can see vera connected home in the alexa app. When I try and discover devices it does not show up any new devices? Has anyone run into this? Thank you,
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Dpc131 on November 17, 2016, 11:01:23 am
Yeah, happened to me the first time. Click on the link in the email that is sent to you about the beta test being confirmed. Then it goes to the portal and log in. There's a screen that says something like "Enable Alexa for the following devices" and it listed all of your devices. There's a gray checkbox next to each them.....but you need to click each one and turn the check box green in order for it to be added for Alexa to discover.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: bwoods113 on November 17, 2016, 11:21:40 am
Thank you very much that did the trick.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: RogerO on November 17, 2016, 12:12:54 pm
When I am trying to enable the skill from the email I received, I get the Amazon sign in page and then it throws a 500 error. Anyone else see this behavior?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: bwoods113 on November 17, 2016, 12:20:58 pm
It did that to me the first time this morning I just went back and tried the link a second time and it came up.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: RogerO on November 17, 2016, 01:35:07 pm
It is working for me now.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: andrewgarfield on November 17, 2016, 02:24:34 pm
For those of you that have the skill up and running are you able to tell whether alexa is communicating with vera locally or is it going through the vera relay servers?

Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: BOFH on November 17, 2016, 06:21:45 pm
Oh wow! Vera released. Guess I better unpack my Echo and find a space for it and then hook it up to vera. I wonder if I can hook it up to multiple ones...
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: sdholden on November 17, 2016, 06:27:50 pm
I've just activated it myself and haven't had a chance to play around with yet. Is there a list of commands anywhere? I have an HA bridge running also, surely they'll conflict?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Dpc131 on November 17, 2016, 08:45:51 pm
I wonder if I can hook it up to multiple ones...

Works fine with my ECho and my Dot
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: stas on November 17, 2016, 09:29:37 pm
Is anybody able to access there Scenes as advertised? my list only has my lights, a couple of my harmony devices. No scenes, no linds
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: BOFH on November 17, 2016, 10:02:18 pm
I wonder if I can hook it up to multiple ones...

Works fine with my ECho and my Dot

I meant multiple Vera's actually... :-)
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta Warning make Room names and Switch names unique
Post by: patrickspc on November 17, 2016, 10:55:49 pm
Native Amazon Echo integration - Warning Names

? Reply #727 on: Today at 07:40:47 pm ?
Wow, that was easy till I broke it ;{(

Before you use this, make Room names and Switch names unique (you'll later add groups in Echo, make these unique also)
(Echo also has a problem with device names with compass directions (North West), Flood and Night in the device names) 

So I set up a Room call Dining room, a Switch call Dining Room and Dining Room Nightlight.
If I ask Echo to turn on the dining room lights, it says "Which one"

So I changed the Room name to Upper Level, and Dining Room Nightlight to just Nightlight.
Went to Echo and "Forget all devices and Groups"
Deleted Vera Smarter Home Control.
Went to the "Amazon Alexa Beta: Participation Confirmed" email and re-enabled the Skill
And went to Echo and Discover Devices
Dining Room worked.
I then voice tested all switches, still had some conflicts so I Deleted Vera Smarter Home Control and re-enabled it.
But now when I click "Discover Devices" , nothing appears ;{(

So forewarned, before you use this, make Room names and Switch names unique otherwise you'll have to say "Echo, turn on Dinning Room, Dinning Room.

Updating the Firmware fixed me. 

Advanced: (in Vera)
URL for custom Vera firmware: (enter URL from the following link for your model)

http://support.getvera.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2645453   
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Dpc131 on November 18, 2016, 12:47:35 am
I wonder if I can hook it up to multiple ones...

Works fine with my ECho and my Dot

I meant multiple Vera's actually... :-)

Oh....well, my old Vera lite that I never unregistered was listed alongside my Vera edge on the page to add your devices with Alexa. So, I would assume yes, but then again.....this is Vera
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: RogerO on November 18, 2016, 10:58:07 am
Can anyone else confirm that the requirement to say the room before the device goes away once Echo learns the device list. Is the room name requirement an Alexa requirement or a Vera implementation of the Skills API? Requiring the room name is really cumbersome.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: patrickspc on November 18, 2016, 11:42:14 am
Before you use this, make Room names and Switch names unique (you'll later add groups in Echo, make these unique also)
(Echo also has a problem with device names with compass directions (North West), Flood and Night in the device names) 

So I set up a Room call Dining room, a Switch call Dining Room and Dining Room Nightlight.
If I ask Echo to turn on the dining room lights, it says "Which one"

So I changed the Room name to Upper Level, and Dining Room Nightlight to just Nightlight.
Went to Echo and "Forget all devices and Groups"
Deleted Vera Smarter Home Control.
Went to the "Amazon Alexa Beta: Participation Confirmed" email and re-enabled the Skill
And went to Echo and Discover Devices
Dining Room worked.
I then voice tested all switches, still had some conflicts so I Deleted Vera Smarter Home Control and re-enabled it.
But now when I click "Discover Devices" , nothing appears ;{(

So forewarned, before you use this, make Room names and Switch names unique otherwise you'll have to say "Echo, turn on Dinning Room, Dinning Room.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: CelticWebs on November 18, 2016, 06:15:00 pm
Has anybody managed to get this to work in UK yet? 

I seem to be able to add the skill, but nothing is discovered, when it adds skill it uses the .com address so I'm not sure if it's linking to my UK vera properly...
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: ojovilla on November 18, 2016, 06:48:14 pm
Seems to be working fine, wish I didn't have to say "Turn on " for scenes. A key word like "Activate" would be more appropriate.

Regards!
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Don Phillips on November 18, 2016, 06:53:24 pm
Or "engage" or "make it so"
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: BOFH on November 18, 2016, 07:03:45 pm
What about 'close the pod bay doors HAL' and 'open the pod bay doors HAL' for garage doors? Or Shield UP and Shields DOWN for alarm system...
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Don Phillips on November 18, 2016, 07:05:04 pm
"I do not think I can do that, Dave"
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: richardbowman on November 18, 2016, 07:08:25 pm
Does anyone have scenes working? They didn't show up in my list of things to enable, the beta release notes I thought mention scenes should work
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: wezley69 on November 18, 2016, 07:24:32 pm
I see no scenes and I absolutely know I am not seeing all of my devices.  But again a beta.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: wezley69 on November 18, 2016, 07:40:41 pm
Love the thread!   ;D
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: CelticWebs on November 18, 2016, 07:42:35 pm
What about 'close the pod bay doors HAL' and 'open the pod bay doors HAL' for garage doors? Or Shield UP and Shields DOWN for alarm system...

Alexa has built in replies for those already, so it would probably interfere


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Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: TonyW on November 18, 2016, 07:49:20 pm
Has anybody managed to get this to work in UK yet? 

I seem to be able to add the skill, but nothing is discovered, when it adds skill it uses the .com address so I'm not sure if it's linking to my UK vera properly...

It is not working for me in the UK.  I have ticked to select the devices, enabled the skill, and run discord but Alexa does not find any of my Vera devices.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: CelticWebs on November 18, 2016, 09:38:45 pm
Has anybody managed to get this to work in UK yet? 

I seem to be able to add the skill, but nothing is discovered, when it adds skill it uses the .com address so I'm not sure if it's linking to my UK vera properly...

It is not working for me in the UK.  I have ticked to select the devices, enabled the skill, and run discord but Alexa does not find any of my Vera devices.

Such a shame!  Seemingly yet another Alexa UK failing! 

All the good stuff is US only still!  I love the idea of Echo but I'm having to create custom skills and workarounds for things that US users have by just installing a skill!
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: brownstein on November 18, 2016, 10:11:31 pm
Do you need to be on beta firmware for the Alexa integration to work? I signed up for the alexa beta app but am wondering if it won't work properly because I do not have beta firmware installed on my veralite.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: BOFH on November 18, 2016, 11:14:03 pm
You do need to install the latest Alexa compatible beta on your controller for this to work. I suggest to heed the warnings not to install this on a production controller as it is a beta. I installed it on my QA Edge and Plus and will play with it this weekend to see if I can have Alexa run scenes on those that will actually switch lighst etc off/on on my production controllers.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: cw-kid on November 19, 2016, 06:34:08 am
Hi

So can you send TTS commands from Vera to Alexa to have it speak them out ? Like you can with the Sonos / Squeezebox plug-ins.

For example when you run a scene in Vera have Alexa speak out a TTS command for voice confirmation etc.

Thanks
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: mnaz on November 19, 2016, 10:58:12 am
This link has been helpful

http://support.getvera.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2648086
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: otakup0pe on November 19, 2016, 12:57:53 pm
You do need to install the latest Alexa compatible beta on your controller for this to work. I suggest to heed the warnings not to install this on a production controller as it is a beta. I installed it on my QA Edge and Plus and will play with it this weekend to see if I can have Alexa run scenes on those that will actually switch lighst etc off/on on my production controllers.

Really? Our vera hasn't even prompted for new firmware yet.

I also want to give a shout out to the vera crew themselves. Other than some transient 5xx errors during the initial signup, this has worked surprisingly well. I hope this signals higher quality kit going forward... Also super happy this is officially supported.

What's the plan for scene support? Y'all told me on twitter (https://twitter.com/VeraLovers/status/799271318772326400) that it was being "deployed to update to portal" yesterday but I'm not sure what that means or how I can trigger scenes.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: otakup0pe on November 19, 2016, 12:58:53 pm
Hi

So can you send TTS commands from Vera to Alexa to have it speak them out ? Like you can with the Sonos / Squeezebox plug-ins.

For example when you run a scene in Vera have Alexa speak out a TTS command for voice confirmation etc.

Thanks

I do not believe this is currently supported by the Echo device itself.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: guest20975 on November 19, 2016, 01:23:06 pm
I'm also in UK and had no luck with the Alexa skills. As a beta tester I've reported this to support, but all they can suggest is what is in the above item. I had already done this several times forgetting all my devices and groups and doing a discover devices again. No Vera devices, but at least I get Hue lights, Nest thermostat and Tad air on controller to play with. I've given up with Vera Alex skill for the moment!!!!
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: tinker3433 on November 19, 2016, 02:00:02 pm
HI, 
Vera, please consider removing the room identifier entirely, or allowing us to edit the name to be used before it is pushed to Alexa. It is redundant since most people already have the devices named by room since duplication of device names is not allowed. Having to say the room and then the specific name which includes the room is way too cumbersome. My Alexa has not learned to not require saying the room twice.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: packman on November 19, 2016, 03:08:58 pm
I have an Aeotec Siren that does not show up in the checkbox list where you enable skills. Any reason why? It does show up in the list of discovered devices. When I ask Alexa to turn on siren she keeps responding "I found several devices matching that name which one did you want? Probably because I couldn't select it as a skill to enable.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: BOFH on November 19, 2016, 03:32:04 pm
Really? Our vera hasn't even prompted for new firmware yet.

I also want to give a shout out to the vera crew themselves. Other than some transient 5xx errors during the initial signup, this has worked surprisingly well. I hope this signals higher quality kit going forward... Also super happy this is officially supported.

What's the plan for scene support? Y'all told me on twitter (https://twitter.com/VeraLovers/status/799271318772326400) that it was being "deployed to update to portal" yesterday but I'm not sure what that means or how I can trigger scenes.

It won't prompt for this new firmware as it is a beta version. It can be found here:

http://support.getvera.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2645453

Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mnaz on November 19, 2016, 08:01:05 pm
This provides some information also.

http://support.getvera.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2648086
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta Updating the Firmware fixed me.
Post by: patrickspc on November 19, 2016, 09:53:26 pm

Updating the Firmware fixed me. 

Advanced: (in Vera)
URL for custom Vera firmware: (enter URL from the following link for your model)

http://support.getvera.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2645453   

Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Jodelo on November 20, 2016, 05:08:23 am
Hi there
I have signed up for the beta.
I got an email with the link
I was able to upgrade my firmware on my vera edge
in the screen that says "Enable Alexa for the following devices" i checked all my devices green
I went to the portal and enabled the skill and i can see vera connected home in the alexa app.
When I try and discover devices it still does not show devices?

behind the Vera smarter home control skill only 1/2 of the five stars is yellow, i dont know if that has something to do with it
Furthermore i dont have any lambda funtions or oauth or AWS set up, like it said on the other thread before. dont know if i need that or if it should wordk without all that programming .


can anyone help me ?
i don't know how to proceed

Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Jodelo on November 20, 2016, 05:42:45 am
in addition to my previous post

I'm also on the http://alexa.amazon.co.uk/spa/index.html?#smart-home

i'm not living in the US
could that have something to do with it ?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: TonyW on November 20, 2016, 06:31:27 am
in addition to my previous post

I'm also on the http://alexa.amazon.co.uk/spa/index.html?#smart-home

i'm not living in the US
could that have something to do with it ?

There does seem to be a problem in the UK where the skill does not discover any vera devices.  I have that problem in the UK and there is another person posting with the same experience.  I have raised it via the beta feedback email, and it may help if you could do the same.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: isamuk on November 20, 2016, 11:29:10 am
Hi Folks - I have been waiting for Vera to Echo and am glad there is progress:
Problem - I have a VeraLite fully backed up and at 1.7.855 f/w. I have tried a few times to do the upgrade using the advanced url. The link is correct as I tested for just download, but the system comes back after about 1 min with upgrade failed contact customer support. I have to then reset and the system remains at the old level 1.7.855... Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Kalapa on November 20, 2016, 12:13:06 pm
@isamuk

am in the same boat.. my veralite is also doing same.. not able to update via linked firmware .. fails after 1 min saying call customer support ???

Any suggestions ?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: PeterBrown on November 20, 2016, 12:15:34 pm
@isamuk

am in the same boat.. my veralite is also doing same.. not able to update via linked firmware .. fails after 1 min saying call customer support ???

Any suggestions ?

Call customer support?  ;D
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: RogerO on November 20, 2016, 12:40:54 pm
I had the same problem. Sent an email and they remotely connected and did the upgrade. They replied back in a few hours. 
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: nickman2025 on November 20, 2016, 12:58:38 pm
I upgraded the firmware to the Beta for my Vera Plus, joined the beta, went through the whole process (including checking devices). The skill shows up in my Vera, but won't find any devices...anybody have any suggestions?

Vera Plus running firmware 1.7.2349.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: wezley69 on November 20, 2016, 02:53:32 pm
Nickman - Having the same issue.  Emailed beta support.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: jspaeth on November 20, 2016, 03:05:19 pm
I have moved all my vera edge devices to "no room", Alexa still gets confused when identifying a device. Alexa finds the device on discovery just fine, but when asked to change the device state, sometimes its ok, sometimes she says she sees several devices and asks for more detail on the device, and sometimes she says she can't find the device.
So I took each device and moved it into its own Alexa grouping in the Alexa app. This has worked 100% of the time. Did not change any names, moved the devices back into their original rooms in vera and all seems to be working.
So it appears that a refinement is needed with how Vera is communicating the device names to Alexa, and in turn how Alexa communicates that device back to vera. I'm assuming this is more a vera naming protocol issue since I can eliminate the problem by putting each device in its own group of the same name as the device, in the Alexa app.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: CelticWebs on November 20, 2016, 05:08:03 pm
in addition to my previous post

I'm also on the http://alexa.amazon.co.uk/spa/index.html?#smart-home

i'm not living in the US
could that have something to do with it ?

There does seem to be a problem in the UK where the skill does not discover any vera devices.  I have that problem in the UK and there is another person posting with the same experience.  I have raised it via the beta feedback email, and it may help if you could do the same.

Yup, exactly the same as me.  I'll be dropping them a beta support email about it in the morning.


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Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: michaelhinchey on November 20, 2016, 05:57:33 pm
Ill keep my eye on this topic.  For now im Happy with the other way to integrate alexa with vera.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: CelticWebs on November 20, 2016, 06:15:03 pm
Ill keep my eye on this topic.  For now im Happy with the other way to integrate alexa with vera.

I'm just curious how quick the response will be, I've tried the native and the bridge, for lights I use the bridge because while it's only a second or so quicker, when you're waiting for a light to turn on, that second or so becomes very noticeable!


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Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: michaelhinchey on November 20, 2016, 08:29:06 pm
I'll try to keep my official discussion on this thread so we don't all pollute the other vera bridge thread.

Just an FYI, it does in fact appear that Alexa takes a little bit of time to parse out the room names from the device names in the database. When first using the Skill, you need to say the room name before the device name "Turn on Hallway, Hall Light" instead of just "Turn on Hall Light." However after about 30 minutes it automagically distinguished room names from the device name so the latter call of just "Turn on Hall Light" works.

Even though the release notes said scenes were supported, I can't seem to figure out how to implement them. Also, when I was working through it last night, complex logic hadn't seemed to work such as "Turn off all Living Room Lights" I'll try that again tonight with some more variety in what I'm saying.

Also, this provides some fledgling IFTTT support through Alexa albeit kind of a complicated work flow. I have a Nexia-locked Thermostat (AZONE-950) that I now hope I can set up to use IFTTT connected to Alexa in order to use Home/Away from Vera via a virtual Switch to set the Home/Away mode of the thermostat. We'll see if that works

Other than that, I got a firmware upgrade implemented the first time on my Vera Edge without failed upgrades, re-configuring, restores, constant Lua Reboots, etc. I'll give that a thumbs up for now.
So are you saying that alexa vera skill starts to understand what you mean by hallway light and eventuay u no longer have to say the room name? 
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: ALcALoIDe on November 20, 2016, 08:44:03 pm
I was very happy seeing Alexa now understands Vera. As noobie, I just want things to work. Hope this beta becomes mainstream as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Dpc131 on November 20, 2016, 09:46:31 pm
So are you saying that alexa vera skill starts to understand what you mean by hallway light and eventuay u no longer have to say the room name?

Yes, mine took an hour or so. You just need to make sure that your device has a unique name
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: michaelhinchey on November 20, 2016, 10:41:48 pm
Is that constantly speaking to alexa or just letting it sit and let time go by. ?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: shady.hamilton on November 21, 2016, 01:26:58 am
Hello All,  anybody knows what are the supported words that we can use for lights and scenes please? is it only turn on and turn off, or we can use others?  turn on sounds lame with the scenes....
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Gary S on November 21, 2016, 10:45:37 pm
Hi everyone, has anyone been able to use the Vera modes yet? I use them more then anything so far.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Dpc131 on November 21, 2016, 11:30:02 pm
Is that constantly speaking to alexa or just letting it sit and let time go by. ?

Mine just took some time, I didn't need to speak to it.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta Virtual ON/OFF Switches
Post by: patrickspc on November 22, 2016, 10:37:02 am
This would be so much more useful if
Virtual ON/OFF Switches
Worked with Alexa

Then we could run scenes with Alexa
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta Virtual ON/OFF Switches
Post by: patrickspc on November 22, 2016, 10:39:42 am
This would be so much more useful if
Virtual ON/OFF Switches
Worked with Alexa

Then we could run scenes with Alexa!
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta Virtual ON/OFF Switches
Post by: nickman2025 on November 22, 2016, 11:32:02 am
This would be so much more useful if
Virtual ON/OFF Switches
Worked with Alexa

Then we could run scenes with Alexa!

Go into the advanced settings of the virtual device and change device type to binary switch along with all the xml and json settings. That worked for me when I was using the previous Echo integration.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: wrathwielder on November 23, 2016, 12:31:58 am
Has anybody managed to get this to work in UK yet? 

I seem to be able to add the skill, but nothing is discovered, when it adds skill it uses the .com address so I'm not sure if it's linking to my UK vera properly...

It is not working for me in the UK.  I have ticked to select the devices, enabled the skill, and run discord but Alexa does not find any of my Vera devices.

I'm in the US and I'm having the same problem you are. I've updated to the new beta 7.0.19 firmware for my VeraPlus, signed up for the Alexa/Vera beta program,  made sure each device is selected and green on the "Select the devices that Amazon Echo will have access to" screen.
The Vera skill is now on the Echo Dot, but when I have the Echo search for devices it always comes up with nothing.

Still waiting for the Alexa beta tech support folks to get back to me - I imagine they are pretty busy :)

Anyone have any other suggestions to get the Echo to find our devices?

Thanks!

-Greg
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Dataman100 on November 23, 2016, 01:19:38 am
I'm having a strange issue.  I go into the Echo app and tell it to "Forget" all the devices and scenes on the Vera that I'd never want to control via voice.  Everything works great.  After a few hours, everything I told it to forget is back again.  All my scenes and devices from the Vera are back in the Echo.  The issue is that some of them have similar names and Alexa gets confused when they're in there.  It looks like it does an auto discovery every few hours.  Any way to stop that?

Thanks!

Dave
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: TonyW on November 23, 2016, 07:04:22 am
I'm having a strange issue.  I go into the Echo app and tell it to "Forget" all the devices and scenes on the Vera that I'd never want to control via voice.  Everything works great.  After a few hours, everything I told it to forget is back again.  All my scenes and devices from the Vera are back in the Echo.  The issue is that some of them have similar names and Alexa gets confused when they're in there.  It looks like it does an auto discovery every few hours.  Any way to stop that?

Thanks!

Dave

If you disabled those devices at the Vera end of the connection, rather than in Alexa, then I guess Alexa would not find them. 

Why not go back into the Vera config via the link in the original email beta invitation and deselect anything you don't want discovered, and see if that sorts it out?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta Virtual ON/OFF Switches
Post by: patrickspc on November 23, 2016, 09:51:44 am
Go into the advanced settings of the virtual device and change device type to binary switch along with all the xml and json settings. That worked for me when I was using the previous Echo integration.

Hmm, no binary switch 
All I find is

D_BinaryLight1
D_BinaryLightQubino1DRelay
D_BinaryOpenClose1

Which one do I use?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Dataman100 on November 23, 2016, 12:15:03 pm
I'm having a strange issue.  I go into the Echo app and tell it to "Forget" all the devices and scenes on the Vera that I'd never want to control via voice.  Everything works great.  After a few hours, everything I told it to forget is back again.  All my scenes and devices from the Vera are back in the Echo.  The issue is that some of them have similar names and Alexa gets confused when they're in there.  It looks like it does an auto discovery every few hours.  Any way to stop that?

Thanks!

Dave

If you disabled those devices at the Vera end of the connection, rather than in Alexa, then I guess Alexa would not find them. 

Why not go back into the Vera config via the link in the original email beta invitation and deselect anything you don't want discovered, and see if that sorts it out?

I did that for the devices I didn't want to use, but it's mostly the scenes that are confusing Alexa.  Echo discovers all the scenes in the Vera.  There's no way to tell it not to.  Only the devices are selectable in the Beta invitation link.

Thanks!

Dave
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: TonyW on November 23, 2016, 01:03:09 pm
Has anybody managed to get this to work in UK yet? 

I seem to be able to add the skill, but nothing is discovered, when it adds skill it uses the .com address so I'm not sure if it's linking to my UK vera properly...

It is not working for me in the UK.  I have ticked to select the devices, enabled the skill, and run discord but Alexa does not find any of my Vera devices.

I'm in the US and I'm having the same problem you are.  <snip>

Thanks!

-Greg

I have had the following reply from the Beta team, which seems to confirm our experiences are not connected with being in the UK:

We are not aware of any limitations that should prevent you in using the UK version of the Amazon Echo. If there is an issue with the discovery it might be related to something else.

Have you tried to make again the discovery, or gave it sometime for Alexa to discover the devices on it?s own ? It should do it every hour or less.


Is there anything else about our setup that we have in common?  I have the Philips Hue and Nest skills enabled on the Echo, and was using ha-bridge on a Raspberry Pi to control my Vera devices until the Beta came along.  I have been careful to ensure that I've not enabled devices on the Vera Beta that are accessible via the Hue or Nest skills, so there should be no conflict there, but maybe it's something to do with this setup?

Cheers
Tony
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: jmpugh on November 23, 2016, 06:14:19 pm
I had the same room redundancy name problem.  Just playing around I went into the Alexa app on my phone and under smart devices created a group called "Kitchen Light" and added my kitchen light to it.  After a couple of minutes, I could say, "Alexa, turn off the kitchen light" instead of "kitchen, kitchen light".

Still can't find a way to add scenes or devices after their names have been changed. Even telling it to search for smart devices won't pick up the ones which names that had been changed.

Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: otakup0pe on November 23, 2016, 08:34:12 pm
Can we get a link back to the device association page that doesn't involve clicking on the original invite link?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: wrathwielder on November 24, 2016, 12:54:48 am
Is there anything else about our setup that we have in common?  I have the Philips Hue and Nest skills enabled on the Echo, and was using ha-bridge on a Raspberry Pi to control my Vera devices until the Beta came along.  I have been careful to ensure that I've not enabled devices on the Vera Beta that are accessible via the Hue or Nest skills, so there should be no conflict there, but maybe it's something to do with this setup?

Hi Tony!

I was just about to try and get the Echo working via the "JavaSDK" method when I saw the news about the beta for the Vera skill...
Couldn't have been happier as I was waist-deep in Java and the "I'm Only Resting" app...
Oh well! I guess I could always go that route again until they iron out the skill bugs...but I don't want to give up that easy! :)

I don't have the Hue or Nest skills, and I never quite got to the "workaround" ha-bridge method, so I don't think that's your problem.
One thing you could try is to upgrade your Vera to the 7.0.19 beta firmware.
I don't recall which Vera or UI you have (I have the Plus with UI7) but a few people mentioned that their Echo wasn't detecting Vera devices until they updated to the beta firmware and then it started working. That didn't work for me though... :(
It's a bit confusing, as the "official" release for 7.0.19 beta clearly says that one of the things it added is Echo skill support, yet I have been told by the guy that comments on their Facebook page, that it's NOT necessary to have the beta Vera firmware to get the skill working...go figure! Whom do you believe?

I'm a little discouraged that all the beta support team could come up with for you was "did you try to discover the devices again?" - if you're like me you mashed that "discover devices" button a ton of times (or got hoarse asking Alexa to do it) :)

As far as their suggestion to just "wait" and see if it auto-discovers - that also seems pretty weak to me as it takes them about 3 days to get back to people - no doubt that's PLENTY of time for it to auto-discover if it's going to do it - and it didn't :)

I have 5 lights on GE "appliance" modules, a "dry" relay for my fireplace, and a garage door on a Mimolite - none of them are being detected (devices OR scenes)

I've tried with and without the beta firmware on the vera, I've "unchecked" all the devices from the site that links your vera to the Echo (link that came via email) and then linked them all again, I've turned the skill off on the Echo and then back on, rebooted the Vera and the Echo Dot, and clicked my heels together 3 times saying "there's no place like home...with a working Vera skill..." - no joy! :)

I'm going on day 3 without a response from the beta team on my initial inquiry for this problem. I sure hope they don't tell me what they told you! Especially since their reply time makes it seem like we're talking to someone on a deep-space mission :)

I'll let you know when I hear from them, although it's Thanksgiving tomorrow so I doubt I'll hear anything for awhile - even tech support people haz to eat their turkey! :)

-Greg

 
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: guest20975 on November 24, 2016, 05:56:33 am
Is there anything else about our setup that we have in common?  I have the Philips Hue and Nest skills enabled on the Echo, and was using ha-bridge on a Raspberry Pi to control my Vera devices until the Beta came along.  I have been careful to ensure that I've not enabled devices on the Vera Beta that are accessible via the Hue or Nest skills, so there should be no conflict there, but maybe it's something to do with this setup?

Hi Tony!

I was just about to try and get the Echo working via the "JavaSDK" method when I saw the news about the beta for the Vera skill...
Couldn't have been happier as I was waist-deep in Java and the "I'm Only Resting" app...
Oh well! I guess I could always go that route again until they iron out the skill bugs...but I don't want to give up that easy! :)

I don't have the Hue or Nest skills, and I never quite got to the "workaround" ha-bridge method, so I don't think that's your problem.
One thing you could try is to upgrade your Vera to the 7.0.19 beta firmware.
I don't recall which Vera or UI you have (I have the Plus with UI7) but a few people mentioned that their Echo wasn't detecting Vera devices until they updated to the beta firmware and then it started working. That didn't work for me though... :(
It's a bit confusing, as the "official" release for 7.0.19 beta clearly says that one of the things it added is Echo skill support, yet I have been told by the guy that comments on their Facebook page, that it's NOT necessary to have the beta Vera firmware to get the skill working...go figure! Whom do you believe?

I'm a little discouraged that all the beta support team could come up with for you was "did you try to discover the devices again?" - if you're like me you mashed that "discover devices" button a ton of times (or got hoarse asking Alexa to do it) :)

As far as their suggestion to just "wait" and see if it auto-discovers - that also seems pretty weak to me as it takes them about 3 days to get back to people - no doubt that's PLENTY of time for it to auto-discover if it's going to do it - and it didn't :)

I have 5 lights on GE "appliance" modules, a "dry" relay for my fireplace, and a garage door on a Mimolite - none of them are being detected (devices OR scenes)

I've tried with and without the beta firmware on the vera, I've "unchecked" all the devices from the site that links your vera to the Echo (link that came via email) and then linked them all again, I've turned the skill off on the Echo and then back on, rebooted the Vera and the Echo Dot, and clicked my heels together 3 times saying "there's no place like home...with a working Vera skill..." - no joy! :)

I'm going on day 3 without a response from the beta team on my initial inquiry for this problem. I sure hope they don't tell me what they told you! Especially since their reply time makes it seem like we're talking to someone on a deep-space mission :)

I'll let you know when I hear from them, although it's Thanksgiving tomorrow so I doubt I'll hear anything for awhile - even tech support people haz to eat their turkey! :)

-Greg

I've had the same problems with the beta team support, including long delays in replying. The final report back to me was that they were reporting it to the developers and I should just wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have 2 vera pluses running the latest beta and openluup on a raspi pi3, with philips hue bulbs throughout the house, nest thermostat and protects and tado aircon control. Alexa discovers all my lights (including 6 osram lightify), Nest thermostat and Tado aircon. I live in the UK and have 2 echo dots and a full echo, what more do we need to do to persuade getvera to come out of hibernation?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: wrathwielder on November 24, 2016, 11:50:13 am
Hey guys!

I have something! Here's a post from a different forum topic that did the trick for me!

"I was on the same boat at the beginning. What I did to resolve this was to add a couple of devices in batches rather than everything at one go after you get your confirmation email and click on the link to add devices to Alexa. I think there are some duplicate or if you have other smarthome devices already linked to Alexa as I had with my Philips hue lights. Hope you get it resolved."

(I will get the poster's name and give him props)

I went back through the device selection and unchecked all but 1 light device.
I went back and did the discovery on the Echo and it found that 1 device and 45 scenes!
Must have been a naming conflict - I will add the rest in 1 at a time until I find the culprit...

-Greg
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: myself01 on November 24, 2016, 11:54:42 am
Hi

I just upgraded my VeraPlus firmware successfully and enabled Amazon Echo Skills (Beta).
My Alexa app now shows a skill named 'Vera Smarter Home Control' as enabled.
However, when I tell the app to discover devices, it finds no device !!

Fyi, I'm in UK and while linking Vera to Amazon Echo, I did select about 15 devices which I'd like to be managed via Echo.

I have tried disabling the amazon echo skill and then re-enabling it via the email link I got from Vera - still no luck.
When I tell Alexa app to discover devices, it can't find any.

Can anybody please help?

Regards

Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: wrathwielder on November 24, 2016, 12:56:30 pm
Hey guys!

I have something! Here's a post from a different forum topic that did the trick for me!
(I will get the poster's name and give him props)

It was "RobertN" that posted that solution - thanks again Robert!

Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: thetwc on November 25, 2016, 09:06:03 am
Another UK user that's not working.

firmware updated to beta,  Skill added, devices chosen etc. 
nothing discovered.

Tried one device selected at a time, nothing, 

Emailed beta support too.  Fingers crossed
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: RobertN on November 25, 2016, 11:39:58 am
@wrathwielder  - Glad it is working and you are welcome. These are the kind of things the forum is all about. Helping each other!

@thetwc - I know you tried one device at a time but did you try choosing another device, if the first did not work, ie., unchecking that device and choosing another single device? I am not sure if the problem you are facing is similar to mine or others similar to me was facing but it is worth a try.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: patrickspc on November 25, 2016, 01:40:25 pm
Hey guys!
I went back through the device selection and unchecked all but 1 light device.
I went back and did the discovery on the Echo and it found that 1 device and 45 scenes!
Must have been a naming conflict - I will add the rest in 1 at a time until I find the culprit...
-Greg

Didn't work for me.  :{( 
I did notice the a Nest skill that I had deleted took two days no not reappear.
Maybe I try discovery in two days. 
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: jbonzey on November 26, 2016, 07:42:04 am
The Radio Thermostat Wifi Plugin does not work with this beta.  However I still have it working with Martins amazon aws integration technique.  I feel like i'm the only one running these thermostats :)

Anyway, Vera came back to me and stated the following: 
"It seems that your thermostat is using a different implementation file (D_RTCOA_Wifi_ZoneThermostat1.xml) that is currently not supported by Alexa. For the moment only the thermostat that are using the D_HVAC_ZoneThermostat1.xml implementation can be controlled using Alexa.

I will forward a request to our development team so we can add support for these type of thermostats in the future."
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: simonclark on November 26, 2016, 08:23:41 am
Another UK user that's not working.

firmware updated to beta,  Skill added, devices chosen etc. 
nothing discovered.

Tried one device selected at a time, nothing, 

Emailed beta support too.  Fingers crossed

In the UK and also not working.  I bet they havent set up the skill for Ireland.

However I just disabled the Vera skill and went back to Martin's native solution which works great.  Had enough of beta testing half finished products from Vera, there should be clear guidance on what does and doesnt work so that testers know what to test, and where it can be used. 
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: thetwc on November 26, 2016, 08:39:51 am
Know what you mean. The beta firmware has bu99ered up a lot of other stuff. I know it's a beta though.

Trying each device in turn at the moment.
So far it hasn't worked on qubino, duewi, tkb. Giving it a good few hours in between too.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: BOFH on November 26, 2016, 09:09:24 am
I can confirm 7.0.19B is not needed for the skill to see the Vera devices. My Ui7 Vera 3 is still on 1.7.855 as the upgrade failed. (Waiting on support to hopefully fix that) It's devices are detected on the Vera echo page and can be selected. However, Alexa is not discovering them. I tried everything including 1 device at a time with no luck.

Provided as much info as possible to beta@getvera.com. It is a beta after all so I wasn't expecting it to work perfectly. I have noticed the beta is pretty stable otherwise so that is a plus.

Now hopefully early 2017, Sonos will have it's skill released.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: jbonzey on November 26, 2016, 09:32:01 am
Not sure why but I never upgraded my VeraEdge firmware to the beta release and Alexa works perfectly with the 1.7.2139 firmware.  All I did was activate the Vera beta skill within alexa and it discovered my devices and scenes perfectly and are controllable.  However the only devices I have that I want alexa to control through the veraedge are some lights and my Yamaha receiver scenes.  I have my harmony hub running directly to Alexa as a different skill along with a separate thermostat skill.  I have no need for all my devices / scenes to be run by alexa through the vera.

Regardless of what I check off in Alexa/vera skill it sees every device and scene within veraedge which is a PITA, so I go in and make alexa forget every scene or device manually I don't want it to control.  Also, the Vera Radio Thermostat Wifi Plugin does NOT work with the Vera beta skill - Vera also confirmed this.

For what its worth..........
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: wseverino on November 26, 2016, 10:04:17 am
I can confirm 7.0.19B is not needed for the skill to see the Vera devices. My Ui7 Vera 3 is still on 1.7.855 as the upgrade failed. (Waiting on support to hopefully fix that) It's devices are detected on the Vera echo page and can be selected. However, Alexa is not discovering them. I tried everything including 1 device at a time with no luck.

Provided as much info as possible to beta@getvera.com. It is a beta after all so I wasn't expecting it to work perfectly. I have noticed the beta is pretty stable otherwise so that is a plus.

Now hopefully early 2017, Sonos will have it's skill released.

Same issue here......wont upgrade my Vera 3 units.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Jodelo on November 26, 2016, 10:07:00 am
Any one having trouble with the new update
A physical switch that was working fine, does'nt show if it on or of anymore.
also some scenes are damaged
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Dataman100 on November 26, 2016, 04:17:27 pm
Has anyone else noticed this with the new Beta skill?

My Echo won't let me say 'Alexa, lower the "thermostat name" temperature by 4 degrees'.  I get a 'That command won't work on device "thermostat name"'.

I have a Trane RCS TZ45.

I can set it to a specific temperature though. e.g.  'Alexa, set the "thermostat name" temperature to 68 degrees.'

Unfortunately, that means I have to know the current temperature to turn the unit on or off.  I know the skill is Beta, but hopefully they'll add that.

Thanks,

Dave
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: GTerplan on November 26, 2016, 05:03:40 pm
I have everything setup on mine and it all linked well.  I have found though that if I add more than 14 scenes the discovery no longer works.  Does anyone know if there is a current limitation to the amount of scenes that can be discovered by the echo?  I am currently running 1.7.2138 firmware on the Vera Plus.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: ickyb0d on November 26, 2016, 08:46:59 pm
Same issue as a few people here.  Enabled the skill, and I'm presented with "No lights, dimmers or thermostats found" when linking accounts.  After linking all i'm given is Home/Away/Vacation modes I can activate via Alexa.

I have multiple z-wave (GE/Jasco) light switches and outlets. Some zigbee (SmartThings) outlets.  I also have some TCP lights working via a plugin.  At the very least I'd expect the z-wave/zigbee switches to show up, or maybe even some scenes ? Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: jbonzey on November 26, 2016, 09:26:13 pm
All my z-wave (GE/Jasco) switches were discovered along with a boatload of scenes.   I'm running a veraedge with the latest firmware - NOT the beta firmware.  Some have stated the beta firmware was causing weird issues. Not sure if that's your prob but I can only tell you it works great on my veraedge without the beta code. At a minimum forget all devices manually in Alexa and have it rediscover
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: jbonzey on November 26, 2016, 10:07:13 pm
Dataman100- unfortunately this is not a Vera limitation but an Alexa generic thermostat skill limitation.  Vera implemented the Alexa generic thermostat skill.  The only way you are going to get all those additional voice commands you may have read like with nest etc is if your specific thermostat company writes a skill. You would then enable the skill within Alexa directly to the thermostat (outside of Vera).

Feel fortunate you are able to even control your thermostats with the generic skill because I for one can not and had to implement a totally diff solution. 

The commands that you should be able to issue are the following. (My thermostat name is dining thermostat):

Alexa, set dining thermostat to 68
Alexa, increase dining thermostat (this pulls it up 1 degree)
Alexa, lower dining thermostat.  (Lowers 1 degree)

This is all I can get it to do at this point. Basically the generic skill set implements increase, decrease and set commands only. 
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Dataman100 on November 26, 2016, 11:35:39 pm
Dataman100- unfortunately this is not a Vera limitation but an Alexa generic thermostat skill limitation.  Vera implemented the Alexa generic thermostat skill.  The only way you are going to get all those additional voice commands you may have read like with nest etc is if your specific thermostat company writes a skill. You would then enable the skill within Alexa directly to the thermostat (outside of Vera).

Feel fortunate you are able to even control your thermostats with the generic skill because I for one can not and had to implement a totally diff solution. 

The commands that you should be able to issue are the following. (My thermostat name is dining thermostat):

Alexa, set dining thermostat to 68
Alexa, increase dining thermostat (this pulls it up 1 degree)
Alexa, lower dining thermostat.  (Lowers 1 degree)

This is all I can get it to do at this point. Basically the generic skill set implements increase, decrease and set commands only. 


Thanks jbonzey,

I know I'm lucky to be able to control it at all, and I'm really grateful that most devices work with no issues.  I was hoping someone from Vera might be reading this and be able to implement it.  I didn't realize it was the generic skill they were using.  Those thermostats are at least 4 years old so I'm not holding out any hope that Trane will write a skill for them.  It'll be time to upgrade at some point and I'll make sure I get something with complete Echo and Vera integration.

BTW.  The "increase" and "lower" commands don't work either.  I get a 'That command won't work on device "thermostat name"' with those as well.  I *am* able to set it to a specific temperature, which should suffice for now.

Thanks,

Dave
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: wseverino on November 27, 2016, 10:06:18 am
One thing I noticed with the Alexa skills its best to discover the device about 5 at a time. If you do all of them at one time it doesn't seem to discover them.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: BOFH on November 27, 2016, 11:14:08 am
So far I had no luck with the skill but now that Support reset my Vera 3 due to the failed upgrade and at this time it has no devices, the skill discovered the devices and scenes on my Plus. (no usable ones on the Edge) Trying to figure out how I can get Alexa to play my Sonos scenes (which each play a favorite station on my Sonos speakers)
 so I can voice control that. I know, my minimote is only a foot away but still.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mike Q on November 27, 2016, 01:21:53 pm
I just updated to UI7 in hopes of using the Echo Skill. 

I've been using the Philips Hue emulation which works okay but requires me to run a services on my NAS. 

When I enabled the skill I was asked to add all the devices I wanted to control.  However, I don't want to control any devices directly.  I have scenes for things I want Echo to control.  Rarely if ever do I want to turn on a specific light but rather a whole room.  I also control my Hunter Douglas blinds through scenes.

When I did a discovery, Echo showed new devices for Vera (Away, Vacation, Night and Home).  However, it didn't pick up any scenes.  I suspect it's possibly because I didn't add any devices?

Also, I've read here that when it does pickup scenes, it picks up every scene that you've created?  Is that true?  It would be nice if we could create a "Room" such as Echo Scenes and have Echo only discover those scenes.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: BOFH on November 27, 2016, 01:29:08 pm
I've been having some issues as well and it finally picked up devices and some of my scenes but not all of them. I'm trying to figure out how to get echo to run those scenes...
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: otakup0pe on November 27, 2016, 03:32:48 pm
Yeah the biggest thing for me so far has been the inability to pick up scenes, and the sketchiness of the initial device add. All the devices which got added successfully the first time are till there and we can trigger the by room as well. Nothing that I've changed since will show up though :/
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Pizza0ut on November 27, 2016, 07:05:10 pm
I've been having some issues as well and it finally picked up devices and some of my scenes but not all of them. I'm trying to figure out how to get echo to run those scenes...

+1

For the time being I've create "Groups" in Alexa to mimic the manually triggered scenes.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mvader on November 27, 2016, 10:28:10 pm
I couldn't get anything to add at first.
i unchecked everything and just renamed a kitchen light to a simple name.
i checked only that 1 device and when i re-discovered. all my scenes and that one device showed up.
however, it seems vera has an issue with device names that are the same. even if they are assigned to different rooms.
which stinks.
I have ceiling fans in multiple rooms.
i want to just them all "fan"
so i'll have "kitchen fan" , "bedroom fan"  etc. (room - device)
but you can't do that apparently.
I don't want to have to say alexa, turn on kitchen kitchen fan
other than this issue, it's pretty neat and working fairly well.

update: i think my work around is going to be to put the device in the no room group and just call the device "kitchen fan"
etc.

update 2: per a previous poster, this morning, i tried just saying "turn on kitchen fan" and it did work.
i didn't have to say kitchen kitchen fan.
now i can go back and un-rename all the ones i renamed yesterday. :)
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: RichDC on November 28, 2016, 02:52:17 am
I'm in the UK and can't get Alexa to pick up any of my devices.

I upgraded to the beta firmware on my plus last Friday evening, went through the registration etc. Selected the devices that I would like to switch so I know it's gone so far.

If it's cloud based would it be that side of things? Someone on holiday perhaps which has to push a button to link Vera/Alexa accounts?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mvader on November 28, 2016, 09:37:35 am
I'm in the UK and can't get Alexa to pick up any of my devices.

I upgraded to the beta firmware on my plus last Friday evening, went through the registration etc. Selected the devices that I would like to switch so I know it's gone so far.

If it's cloud based would it be that side of things? Someone on holiday perhaps which has to push a button to link Vera/Alexa accounts?

try adding just 1 device.. call it "light" or "fan" or something simple.
see if just the 1 gets added.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: Alexs on November 28, 2016, 12:36:28 pm
Another UK user, all my devices are on a RFXcom TXRX.

Upgraded My Edge to Beta version 1.7.2348 subscribed to the beta program.

I can see now see a Vera controller in my Alexa Web page but it fails to discover the devices (I have tried 20 devices & 2 devices at a time).

Doesn't seem to be any logs I can check either on the Vera or in the Alexa web page.

Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: RichDC on November 28, 2016, 02:07:11 pm
Tonight I've unchecked all devices from the list on "echo.getvera".

Renamed one of my dimmers to "Light" and removed from the room then, rebooted my Plus.

When i go back into "echo.getvera" i can see and have checked "Light" but, still can't see anything. Everything else in the beta version is working. (Apart from my geofencing for the family which didn't work previously)
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: shallowearth on November 28, 2016, 02:41:02 pm
Same for me, I cannot get Alexa to pick up any of my devices or scenes, even with only one light switch picked (made sure it was one of my more uniquely names ones), Discover Devices never picks up anything from my VeraEdge.  I have tried many times, including removing the skill and re-adding it... nothing... bummer!
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: thetwc on November 28, 2016, 02:44:54 pm
For those in the UK, i had a reply from Vera today:
Quote
We have tested the Alexa integration only with Amazon US accounts. We cannot tell for sure if there is a limitation on this matter, but we have reported this issue to our development team so they can further investigate it. Once we will have more news to share regarding this we will get back to you.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: RichDC on November 28, 2016, 02:49:31 pm
For those in the UK, i had a reply from Vera today:
Quote
We have tested the Alexa integration only with Amazon US accounts. We cannot tell for sure if there is a limitation on this matter, but we have reported this issue to our development team so they can further investigate it. Once we will have more news to share regarding this we will get back to you.

Thanks for that, i'm wondering if it's some kind of network issue like a port blocked on our routers from the amazon cloud?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: wseverino on November 28, 2016, 03:06:36 pm
One thing I noticed that seemed to work when discovering devices is initially don't check anything. Click discover devices. This should bring your scenes in. Then go back to the echo.getvera page and add 3 devices. Click discover. Keep doing this. I'm up to 36 devices at the moment still can't get the last 4 devices discovered.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: RichDC on November 28, 2016, 03:57:07 pm
I just tried without anything checked, still nothing. Has to be network/cloud related?

On the plus side my imperihome works with voice commands from the watch/phone..  :)
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: otakup0pe on November 28, 2016, 08:37:30 pm
I have no idea what I did but the few devices that worked the other day no longer do. Unless anything changes I'm probably going to try and get Vera support on the phone :/
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: stevemeck on November 29, 2016, 05:35:11 am
Another UK user here with issues. I have update Vera to 1.7.2349 beta firmware, enable skills on Alexa and even had the option of checking various devices (mostly fibaro dimmers) while linking. Everything seemingly working as expected apart from the discovery piece. Alexa is not seeing any of the devices. I've tried unlinking, relinking and only checking 1 device at a time. Also tried waiting overnight and re-discovering just in case, but still no devices found.

Not sure what else to try.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: cw-kid on November 30, 2016, 07:51:46 am
Has anybody managed to get this to work in UK yet? 

I seem to be able to add the skill, but nothing is discovered, when it adds skill it uses the .com address so I'm not sure if it's linking to my UK vera properly...

I am from the UK and have the same problem the Alexa app does not detect any Vera devices.

Any news on how to get it working ?

Thanks
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: cw-kid on November 30, 2016, 08:02:47 am

I did that for the devices I didn't want to use, but it's mostly the scenes that are confusing Alexa.  Echo discovers all the scenes in the Vera.  There's no way to tell it not to.  Only the devices are selectable in the Beta invitation link.


That doesn't sound great, ideally you want to be able to select which Vera scenes the Echo can control, just like you can with the devices.


Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: cw-kid on November 30, 2016, 08:12:02 am
Has anybody managed to get this to work in UK yet? 

I seem to be able to add the skill, but nothing is discovered, when it adds skill it uses the .com address so I'm not sure if it's linking to my UK vera properly...

It is not working for me in the UK.  I have ticked to select the devices, enabled the skill, and run discord but Alexa does not find any of my Vera devices.

I'm in the US and I'm having the same problem you are.  <snip>

Thanks!

-Greg

I have had the following reply from the Beta team, which seems to confirm our experiences are not connected with being in the UK:

We are not aware of any limitations that should prevent you in using the UK version of the Amazon Echo. If there is an issue with the discovery it might be related to something else.

Have you tried to make again the discovery, or gave it sometime for Alexa to discover the devices on it?s own ? It should do it every hour or less.


Is there anything else about our setup that we have in common?  I have the Philips Hue and Nest skills enabled on the Echo, and was using ha-bridge on a Raspberry Pi to control my Vera devices until the Beta came along.  I have been careful to ensure that I've not enabled devices on the Vera Beta that are accessible via the Hue or Nest skills, so there should be no conflict there, but maybe it's something to do with this setup?

Cheers
Tony

I am using a Vera Edge UI7 with the beta firmware version 1.7.2348

I have a Philips Hue Gen1 hub with 1x Philip Hue LED strip. This is currently working with Echo or can turn it on and off at least.

I have never used the HA bridge as I only bought my UK Echo Dot yesterday.

I have installed the following Vera plug-ins:

Program Logic Core (PLC)
Program Logic Event Generator (PLEG)
Squeezebox Control
DLNA Media Controller
UPnP Event Proxy
WOLPlusPing
Kodi Remote
Day or Night
MultiSwitch
VeraAlerts
CurrentCost EnviR Energy Monitor
iTemp Plugin
ImperiHome
RGB Controller (for Fibaro RGBW)
Philips Hue 2
Countdown timer

There seems to be several UK guys including myself that all have the same problem of the Vera devices not being discovered in the Alexa app. I have tried the web based one here (http://alexa.amazon.co.uk/) and the Alexa Android app as well.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: cw-kid on November 30, 2016, 08:19:29 am
Can we get a link back to the device association page that doesn't involve clicking on the original invite link?

Try this may work?: https://echo.getvera.com/amazon/alexa/devicelist
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: cw-kid on November 30, 2016, 08:34:21 am
I have everything setup on mine and it all linked well.  I have found though that if I add more than 14 scenes the discovery no longer works.  Does anyone know if there is a current limitation to the amount of scenes that can be discovered by the echo?  I am currently running 1.7.2138 firmware on the Vera Plus.

Interesting.. I have about 81 native Vera scenes, 25 Z-Wave devices and several virtual and plug-in devices.

So all the Vera scenes are just added to the Echo ? You cannot pick and choose which ones you want the Echo to have control over ?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: TonyW on November 30, 2016, 09:42:08 am
I just got the following email from their SVP Product & Innovation

"Sorry for the slow response Tony. Was on holiday last week. Yes, UK support will be added to the beta shortly (7-10 days)"

So, for anyone in the UK  I watch this spaceI guess.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: cw-kid on November 30, 2016, 01:10:53 pm
I just got the following email from their SVP Product & Innovation

"Sorry for the slow response Tony. Was on holiday last week. Yes, UK support will be added to the beta shortly (7-10 days)"

So, for anyone in the UK  I watch this spaceI guess.

Gonna be a long wait LOL.  ::)
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: fsa317 on November 30, 2016, 02:14:52 pm
Got my echo/Vera working together.  However when trying to turn on lights or scenes using "Turn On <SceneName>" or "Turn on <Light Name>" I often get "there are multiple devices found" response from Alexa.  For the lights, if I use the room name it helps but is annoying.  Has anyone found a good naming convention for devices / scenes ?  In many cases I have 2 versions of a scene for on and off, e.g. "Living Room On" / "Living Room Off" and that seems to be a problem.

Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: cw-kid on November 30, 2016, 05:34:56 pm
In many cases I have 2 versions of a scene for on and off, e.g. "Living Room On" / "Living Room Off" and that seems to be a problem.

I have many scenes like that as well, one for turning on a device and one for turning it off. I would suspect most people have scenes like that.

I use them with mini motes actual those are usually toggle scenes, but my Kodi Media Center can run commands to Vera and it runs these types of on or off scenes.

So you can't say: Turn On device <device name> or Turn On scene <scene name> ? (Can you say "run" <scene name>) ?

Is there a list of commands somewhere that you have to use ?

So if you have a device called "Living Room Lamp" and a Scene called "Living Room On" and a scene called "Living Room Off" its getting confused and saying "there are multiple devices found" ?

Why should it matter if its found multiple similar device / scene names?

As long as no two names are exactly the same and Alexa has heard your voice command correctly, surely it should know what to do !

Although I guess you could have two device names the same, but in different rooms? "Ceiling Light" in both the Living Room and in the Kitchen Room, that would obviously cause confusion if not stating the room name in the voice command.

Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: fsa317 on December 01, 2016, 11:26:06 am
In many cases I have 2 versions of a scene for on and off, e.g. "Living Room On" / "Living Room Off" and that seems to be a problem.

I have many scenes like that as well, one for turning on a device and one for turning it off. I would suspect most people have scenes like that.

I use them with mini motes actual those are usually toggle scenes, but my Kodi Media Center can run commands to Vera and it runs these types of on or off scenes.

So you can't say: Turn On device <device name> or Turn On scene <scene name> ? (Can you say "run" <scene name>) ?

Is there a list of commands somewhere that you have to use ?

So if you have a device called "Living Room Lamp" and a Scene called "Living Room On" and a scene called "Living Room Off" its getting confused and saying "there are multiple devices found" ?

Why should it matter if its found multiple similar device / scene names?

As long as no two names are exactly the same and Alexa has heard your voice command correctly, surely it should know what to do !

Although I guess you could have two device names the same, but in different rooms? "Ceiling Light" in both the Living Room and in the Kitchen Room, that would obviously cause confusion if not stating the room name in the voice command.



What I'm finding is it is having a lot of issues with even parts of the scene or device name matching.  It often asks me over and over which device I want.  Anyone else?
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: fuzzysb on December 01, 2016, 12:10:50 pm
yes using the link provided oAuth fails first time and then works on refresh, its an issue with the return url being the US variant.

now in the link if i change the link from the US variant below

https://pitangui.amazon.com/api/skills/redirect-to-skill-authorization-uri?skillId=amzn1.ask.skill.cdd913da-c169-4f90-b10c-d908cdf63fd8;stage=certification

to the EU server variant

https://layla.amazon.com/api/skills/redirect-to-skill-authorization-uri?skillId=amzn1.ask.skill.cdd913da-c169-4f90-b10c-d908cdf63fd8;stage=certification

i don't get the oAuth error when signing in, but i also dont get any devices when discovery runs.......hmmpf


Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: Alexs on December 02, 2016, 07:25:26 am
Thanks Fuzzy

May well be one part of the puzzle. I'll ping a link to the nice lady who replied to my email.

Does seem we have a lot of UK users with it not working.

I have just started with Vera in preference to many closed ecosystems I would really like to get this to work otherwise it will probably go back.
Actually a quick question has anyone got it to detect devices in the UK?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: nickman2025 on December 03, 2016, 01:48:41 pm
Any news on this? I made the mistake of taking down Martin's solution to run the Beta and no devices to be found now. The main feed has no updates in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mbenzno on December 03, 2016, 09:31:01 pm
I have an UK Echo dot, but is living in Norway. I think that the problem with missing devices may be an cache issue with the browser.

In first setup with google Chrome Echo discovered all my devices and scenes. Later I deleted all devices and scenes, disabled the skill and then re-enabled it. This time it would not discover any of my Vera devices or scenes. I contacted support initial without success, but some time later all my devices appeared after re-discovered devices (Playing with the Harmony skill), but none of the scenes appeared.

Today I accidentally disabled my harmony skill while using Microsoft Edge for the first time. I re-enabled the Harmony skill and did a re-discovery of my devices. All my harmony devices AND the missing Vera scenes appeared!

This lead me to think that there is an cache issue in Google Chrome causing this issue.

St1-R.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: adamhay on December 04, 2016, 07:43:36 pm
Another UK user here with the same problem.  Got all the way to checking the list of devices to add but then discovery finds nothing
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: Crm1975 on December 05, 2016, 12:56:14 am
Veraedge, firmware 1.7.2139

I downloaded the Alexa Beta Skill and forget all my devices and rediscovered them.  The first time it only seemed to find my Hue Bulbs but when I checked a day later, it had all my devices but no Scenes.  I also have the issue with having to say the room name first "Kitchen - Kitchen Lights" which is a pain.

Hopefully they get this fixed or I may just go back to my plan of using the HABridge.  I had it working on my Windows 10 laptop but wanted to set it up on a Raspberry Pi2 instead. Having issues with the PI but I will search the forum since that is a different topic.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: napolitano172 on December 05, 2016, 08:02:43 am
I have both a Vera3 and a VeraPlus and I was not able to get any devices discovered.  Reading thru the threads I decided to try different things.  My 3 has loads of Plugins and devices and even though it shows devices to link they are never discovered so I shut it off and decided to play with the VeraPlus only.  I had a single device that was not in a room and it was called light.  It did not work.  But when I created a room and renamed the device from light to office lamp and linked everything to Alexa again (it takes a while as Vera3 is offline) then ran discovery it found the device!  I then turned the Vera3 back on and Alexa is still working but I noticed that I am not able to add devices to Alexa with the Vera3 on.  So when I added a second device, I had to turn off the Vera3, re-link and then discover and then turn the Vera3 back on and all is working. 
It is a process but it is working at least. 
So as everyone keeps saying, at least for me, rooms and device names are important and having more than 1 Vera on the network seems to have an impact as well.  I would also say some plugins seem to be causing issues also.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: stashton1990 on December 06, 2016, 03:08:56 am
has anyone had an news on getting the beta to work and discover devices in the UK yet ??? ;D
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: cw-kid on December 06, 2016, 09:04:20 am
Doesn't seem to make any difference which browser I use I still have no Vera devices appearing.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: Marc Shenker on December 06, 2016, 10:57:31 am
has anyone had an news on getting the beta to work and discover devices in the UK yet ??? ;D

We are hoping that the beta will be available in the UK very soon. It is up to Amazon to decide when they want to turn on additional markets.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: fsa317 on December 06, 2016, 01:32:24 pm
Can't seem to get my Nest working with Alexa (via my Vera).  It finds it fine, and it responds OK to changing the temperature, but it doesn't actually change it.  Anyone with any better experience?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: nickman2025 on December 06, 2016, 02:14:26 pm
I forever regret taking down Martin's native integration for this Beta. I tried to get it back up and haven't succeeded. :'(
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: nickman2025 on December 06, 2016, 02:59:00 pm
I forever regret taking down Martin's native integration for this Beta. I tried to get it back up and haven't succeeded. :'(

After messing around, for some reason when I select no devices, my scenes show up in the device discovery and then if I go to the URL that has the checkboxes for devices, I can do 1 at a time for a couple of minutes, so I was able to get 4 devices up and running, but it is really annoying to but the room name in front of the device.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mvader on December 06, 2016, 03:01:56 pm
I forever regret taking down Martin's native integration for this Beta. I tried to get it back up and haven't succeeded. :'(

After messing around, for some reason when I select no devices, my scenes show up in the device discovery and then if I go to the URL that has the checkboxes for devices, I can do 1 at a time for a couple of minutes, so I was able to get 4 devices up and running, but it is really annoying to but the room name in front of the device.

it seems very picky about the names.
 i have found that if you have any names that are similar/contain parts of another devices name you run into issues.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: jbfoster on December 06, 2016, 03:49:30 pm
I updated to the Beta Firmware and enables the skill. When it discovered all my devices the names are on there twice. Is this normal?

I have a Room Called Hallway and the device called Hall Light. It does this for all my devices and scenes.
it looks like this in my Alexa app

-------------------------------------------------------
Hallway Hall Light
Hallway Hall Light (GE/Jasco                       Forget
Unknown
---------------------------------------------------------


Thanks
Jim
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: jbfoster on December 06, 2016, 05:18:04 pm
When I say Alexa hallway hall light on, it turns on but is there way to set it up not to say hallway?

thanks
Jim
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: waltzer11 on December 06, 2016, 05:47:13 pm
When I say Alexa hallway hall light on, it turns on but is there way to set it up not to say hallway?

thanks
Jim

I also used to say Alexa kitchen kitchen light on; but i saw in youtube that this guy didnt say the room name kitchen. now i only say Alexa kitchen light on and the kitchen light turns on. try it
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: Alexs on December 06, 2016, 06:26:03 pm
Marc thanks for the update.

It would have been nice if you had told us before we wasted our time fruitlessly testing it in the UK. There was no indication in the sign up or release.

"We?re thrilled to announce that our 7.0.19 software update is available now for beta users. This significant release includes a host of exciting new features like Central Monitoring Service (available in select US markets), Amazon Alexa Native Skills Integration (Climate, Lighting, and Scenes ???), Multi Language Support (French and Latin American Spanish), and dramatically improved compatibility with 3rd party cameras, and the Advanced Camera Management service."

Do please encourage them , I suspect your UK etc users are very excited about it, I certainly am. I'm new to Vera and it has real potential however smartthings is throwing everything its got at the market. 

Also interested in the Broadlink IR hub as their cost & design looks a lovely fit with the echo. I know there is the RM bridge but that does seem to be a bit of a bodge.

A native Floorplan would be nice as well.

Alex



Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: jbfoster on December 06, 2016, 06:39:07 pm
Nope didn't work. Alexa says couldn't find a device named hall light.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: cw-kid on December 07, 2016, 07:38:06 am
I got bored of waiting already (UK user) so I just setup the HA-Bridge (http://bwssystems.com/) on my WHS 2011 file server. Will probably move it to a dedicated Raspberry Pi at some point, but its working great so far, I can now turn on and off and dim all my downstairs lights and also turn on and off appliances by asking Alexa..  ;D
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: CelticWebs on December 07, 2016, 08:03:27 am
I got bored of waiting already (UK user) so I just setup the HA-Bridge (http://bwssystems.com/) on my WHS 2011 file server. Will probably move it to a dedicated Raspberry Pi at some point, but its working great so far, I can now turn on and off and dim all my downstairs lights and also turn on and off appliances by asking Alexa..  ;D

Wouldn't surprise me if the bridge will be faster to react too, in assuming the official Vera route will be cloud based?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mvader on December 07, 2016, 10:14:24 am
does anyone know if the HA bridge setup has the same issue as the vera/skill setup, with similar names?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: wezley69 on December 07, 2016, 10:20:44 am
@mvader - Yes is does have the same issue.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Jodelo on December 07, 2016, 05:16:37 pm
Hi guy's
Here is zome info for users outside of the US
I could not  download the alexa app for my phone from any playstore because i live in the Netherlands.

So i googled Alexa AKP file for android and found some versions that i could upload to my phone via Airdroid.
None of the newer versions were able to install, but the alexa version from februari 2016 finaly was alble to install of my phone
When i started the alexa app on my phone and made it discover devices on my phone app it found 40 devices
Sadly when i go to the alexa app in my web browser it doesnt show them on my computer,
so still not working,
But maybe this is usefull for somebody
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: wseverino on December 07, 2016, 05:24:07 pm
Marc Shenker - Is there a limit to devices that can be on the Alexa service? I currently have 36 devices discovered but have 41 selected and cant get the other 5 to be discovered.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Dpc131 on December 07, 2016, 10:14:11 pm
Looked at my Alexa app today and it seems like it discovered devices that I changed the name just a few days ago. Not sure what made it happen (I tried discovery right after changing them before.) That plus the room name being needed for commands then not being needed later makes me think that's there some synchronization going on between Vera, Mi Casa Verde and/or Amazon that takes some time to resolve to work correctly.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: cw-kid on December 08, 2016, 09:09:20 am
does anyone know if the HA bridge setup has the same issue as the vera/skill setup, with similar names?

I just setup the HA-Bridge. I am mainly using Vera devices although I did add some scenes. In the HA-Bridge you can name the "Bridge Devices" to a different name than what they are actually in Vera. These are the names that will then appear in the Alexa app and the names you will then use when speaking your voice commands.

So I renamed some of mine to make it better / easier for how I say them to Alexa. Also in the HA-Bridge setup you don't need to say the room name first. But you do have to say "Turn On" "Turn Off" "Dim" etc Turn On Curtains doesn't sound natural but it works.

Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: shady.hamilton on December 09, 2016, 07:04:04 am
Is there a way to include a virtual switch in echo?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: kandlg on December 09, 2016, 07:40:56 am
Is there a way to include a virtual switch in echo?

There is with the HA Bridge if the echo skill does not support it.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: bakardi on December 09, 2016, 01:48:48 pm
Have some issues with discovery devices. First time when I enabled devices - everything works fine, but then I decided to rename devices and exclude few of them and right after I excluded devices(https://echo.getvera.com/amazon/alexa/devicelist) and clicked Finish. All devices disappears. I tried to delete all and re-add - nothing helps. Running 1.7.855 firmware. Trying to update to beta - no luck :( update error. Looking for any help.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: NHguy on December 09, 2016, 01:59:10 pm
I had the exact same experience (it worked at first, I mucked with the names to make them more unique, and now it doesn't discover anything). Tried off and on for week s to get devices recognized. No luck.  Response from tech support :(

"The public Alexa Skill version is in a beta software form, it may contain bugs, errors, or technical inaccuracies. Because of this I have forwarded your case to our Development Team for a thorough analysis."
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: shallowearth on December 09, 2016, 02:31:07 pm
Yep, me too, I am in the US, but have never gotten Alexa to pick up anything from my Vera, I have deleted and re-added the skill multiple times, tried adding only once switch etc.  Alexa never detects any devices from the Vera.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: cityboy on December 10, 2016, 07:57:21 am
Another UK user with the same problems. Alexia won't discover the devices I published.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: bakardi on December 10, 2016, 10:29:16 am
After day of restore from back up, rebooting and debugging I found solution. If you renamed your devices and don't them anymore - try to remove controller from online account and re-add it again. I still see that devices offline under Alexa account, but it works :)
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: NHguy on December 10, 2016, 12:43:50 pm
Thanks for the suggestion.  I'm a little afraid to delete the controller from micasaverde, did you loose any settings/have any other I'll side effects?

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Sig on December 10, 2016, 01:45:08 pm
On a whim, I got an Echo Dot last night.  In the span of 20 minutes, I set it up, added the Vera Skill, discovered devices, and it essentially immediately worked, even without upgrading Vera to the beta firmware.  I'm currently running 1.7.2138 on a Vera Plus.

It is, of course, quirky and requires some getting-used to, especially having to remember exactly what your device and scene names are, and I've had to go through and do some renaming in light of that.

I have discovered one thing, and perhaps this is addressed by the beta firmware, to which I have _not_ upgraded, and probably won't, since I'm otherwise stable on the current GA firmware...

- I have two Veras, one in my primary home and another in my weekend home.  My new Echo Dot is in my primary home, and I want to use it to control only that Vera.  When I do the Device Discovery in the Alexa app, it brings up a picklist of devices for both Veras, identified by their serial numbers - not by their friendlier names from UI7 - but so far, so good.  I de-select all the devices from my weekend home, and it's off and running.  However, when device discovery completes, I get the proper list of devices for my Primary home, but I also end up with a list of _scenes_ from BOTH Vera units (Primary and Weekend).  I then have to go through and delete all the scenes it pulled in from my weekend home Vera, which made things even trickier because of several standard scenes being named identically on both Veras (like "All Lights Off" for example).  Scene names are not preceded by their Room Name, or that would be a good way to identify scenes between the two Veras - only devices seem to include the Room Name.  Kind of a pain, but I don't suspect I'll need to run a Device Discovery too often.

Another comment, given some of the challenges I've seen in this thread...after realizing I needed to do a more thoughtful job of naming devices and scenes for Echo to work, I did that, then disabled the Vera skill, re-enabled, and re-ran device discovery.  All of that worked perfectly.  I was expecting the worst, but it ran without a hitch.

Finally, it's become apparent to me that if I also want to use Echo in my weekend home, and I want to keep their operations discrete (meaning only control the Vera in THAT home), I'll need separate Amazon accounts, or I'd have to come up with unique, and therefore cumbersome, naming conventions to distinguish devices/scenes between the two homes, not to mention worry about firing a scene or turning on a bunch of lights in the other home without realizing it.  Kind of a bummer - just something else to manage.  Would be nice if there were a way to link specific Echos to specific Veras/devices/scenes (perhaps there is, and I'm just ignorant).  But I realize this is probably a somewhat unique use case.

By the way, there is a topic of the exact same name in the "Beta Testing (Public)" section of the forum.  It's had much less traffic than this one, but it does seem to be monitored by Vera Control (MCV).  http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,40393.0.html
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: Sig on December 10, 2016, 07:36:17 pm
On a whim, I got an Echo Dot last night.  In the span of 20 minutes, I set it up, added the Vera Skill, discovered devices, and it essentially immediately worked, even without upgrading Vera to the beta firmware.  I'm currently running 1.7.2138 on a Vera Plus.

It is, of course, quirky and requires some getting-used to, especially having to remember exactly what your device and scene names are, and I've had to go through and do some renaming in light of that.

I have discovered one thing, and perhaps this is addressed by the beta firmware, to which I have _not_ upgraded, and probably won't, since I'm otherwise stable on the current GA firmware...

- I have two Veras, one in my primary home and another in my weekend home.  My new Echo Dot is in my primary home, and I want to use it to control only that Vera.  When I do the Device Discovery in the Alexa app, it brings up a picklist of devices for both Veras, identified by their serial numbers - not by their friendlier names from UI7 - but so far, so good.  I de-select all the devices from my weekend home, and it's off and running.  However, when device discovery completes, I get the proper list of devices for my Primary home, but I also end up with a list of _scenes_ from BOTH Vera units (Primary and Weekend).  I then have to go through and delete all the scenes it pulled in from my weekend home Vera, which made things even trickier because of several standard scenes being named identically on both Veras (like "All Lights Off" for example).  Scene names are not preceded by their Room Name, or that would be a good way to identify scenes between the two Veras - only devices seem to include the Room Name.  Kind of a pain, but I don't suspect I'll need to run a Device Discovery too often.

Another comment, given some of the challenges I've seen in this thread...after realizing I needed to do a more thoughtful job of naming devices and scenes for Echo to work, I did that, then disabled the Vera skill, re-enabled, and re-ran device discovery.  All of that worked perfectly.  I was expecting the worst, but it ran without a hitch.

Finally, it's become apparent to me that if I also want to use Echo in my weekend home, and I want to keep their operations discrete (meaning only control the Vera in THAT home), I'll need separate Amazon accounts, or I'd have to come up with unique, and therefore cumbersome, naming conventions to distinguish devices/scenes between the two homes, not to mention worry about firing a scene or turning on a bunch of lights in the other home without realizing it.  Kind of a bummer - just something else to manage.  Would be nice if there were a way to link specific Echos to specific Veras/devices/scenes (perhaps there is, and I'm just ignorant).  But I realize this is probably a somewhat unique use case.

Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: adamhay on December 12, 2016, 03:00:56 am
No not unique. Being in the UK I have not got any discovery to work at all yet but I expect to, once it does, as I have Veras in two homes.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: Sig on December 12, 2016, 12:02:10 pm
After tinkering with, and using, the Echo for a weekend, I have to say, it really is more of a novelty than a useful home automation addition.  Some more observations (some of which have been noted by others in the forum)...

- At least 25% of the time, the Echo doesn't understand what I've said, regardless of whether I'm talking right at it, or from across the room.  I've even done the voice training thing a couple of times.

- Echo's native integration with some smart devices, like my Ecobee thermostat, is essentially useless.  You can "set a temperature" on the Ecobee, but you can't specify which one (Cool setpoint or Heat setpoint), so it sets a target temperature resulting somewhere in the middle which may or may not turn on the heat.

- This is perhaps a shared issue between Echo and Vera, but device and scene naming is a nightmare with Echo.  You definitely cannot have the same device names without specifying their rooms.  Even if you go to the trouble of coming up with unique device names so that you don't have to specify the room, if those unique names are multiple words, and one of those words is shared (example: Bedroom Light, Kitchen Light), Echo will tell you it found multiple devices with the same name.  I have found that if your device names contain at least two unique words (example: dining room light, guest bedroom light), it tends to work, though not always.  As a result of this, and my OCD about trying to make this thing work, I've spent several hours re-naming scenes and devices so I could actually control the things I want.

- I do like the Echo integration with my Harmony Remote, especially in that when you set it up, you can specify friendlier/other phrases to execute a command and/or delete the options it comes up with for you.  For example, I have a Harmony Activity of "Watch TV".  When you run the Harmony setup for Echo, it comes up with that activity, and the command words "Watch TV", but also presents you with other options it has thought up so you wouldn't have to say "Turn on Watch TV".  Those other options included "Comcast", "Television" and "TV".  I ended up deleting "Comcast" (because I'd never say 'Turn on Comcast') and instead added "Cable".  But here's the twist, and directly related to the shared words issue above, it will also bring over your favourite channels and create command words based on those.  As you might expect, many channels actually contain the letters "TV" in them (HGTV, for example).  That ended up driving me nuts as well, because every time I told Echo "Turn on TV" it would reply "I have several devices with that name."  I finally figured it out it was conflicting with the favourite channels it brought in.  It would be nice if they provided multiple command-phrases that would target discrete lists of commands.  For example..."Turn on" would apply only to a 'Device' group, "Switch to" would apply to a 'Channel' group (for both music and television), "Run" would apply to a 'Scene' group, etc.

- Adding to the above the problem, using 'special' words with Echo - those include, but are not limited to, "shutdown," "music," "play," and several others - makes naming even more challenging. 

- And, as mentioned in my initial post, having Scenes pulled in from my second Vera during a Device Discovery is a major pain - every time I make a change, the Device [Re-] Discovery process is working very consistently, but I then have to go through and <Forget> a bunch of scenes from my other Vera.  I'm hoping Vera addresses this in their GA firmware at some point.

So, even setting aside the integration with Vera, which I fully appreciate is still in Beta, I'm just disappointed with Echo overall.  Perhaps my expectations were unrealistic, but I was anticipating the Echo to be a bit more evolved than it is.  I suppose it's still relatively new, so perhaps it will improve over time.  Until then, it's a $49 toy that I use to turn on/off my entertainment center and to pipe through the BBC world news in the morning.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: bakardi on December 12, 2016, 05:37:29 pm
Thanks for the suggestion.  I'm a little afraid to delete the controller from micasaverde, did you loose any settings/have any other I'll side effects?

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I didn't loose anything. When you trying to add it again - you have to select your model of Vera on first screen, and then on second you will see your removed device - you just need to click on it and click next on new screen then it will re-add it to your account without any problems - tested twice with my account. As I understand your configuration lives on vera and cloud account only provide bridge for it and store some backups. Anyway I suggest to do local backup before you start
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: NHguy on December 12, 2016, 05:39:54 pm
Thanks for the response. I'll give it a try tonight.

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Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: NHguy on December 12, 2016, 06:16:03 pm
Tried deleting and re-adding the controller a few times, couldn't get it to work.  Combination of chrome, Firefox, adding all devices, only adding a few, adding one, nothing. "You haven't connected any devices yet." After the discovery process. Bummer.

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Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: JimL1956 on December 12, 2016, 10:43:47 pm
Have been using the beta Vera version since it came out.  It's been working great with my 4 Echo Dots.

Initially had issues with the commands like "Alexa, tuen on Office Office Lights".  And controlling scenes.

The easy solution is to go into the Alexa web interface and create an Alexa Group. 

Type in the Group Name and select the Vera scens or devices you want included. 

Then you can just say "Alexa, set Office Lights at 50 percent".

You would need a scene for both on and off, however, as there is no "turn off" of a scene, only "turn on".


Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: Nailer00 on December 13, 2016, 11:24:16 am
has anyone had an news on getting the beta to work and discover devices in the UK yet ??? ;D

We are hoping that the beta will be available in the UK very soon. It is up to Amazon to decide when they want to turn on additional markets.

Marc

Please apply pressure to Amazon to enable this skill in the UK market. As you will see from the reviews of the skill on Amazon its currently at 1 star due to unhappy UK based people who cannot get it working, this must be hugely damaging to Vera as a brand

Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: michaelhinchey on December 13, 2016, 06:42:15 pm
Oh wow! Vera released. Guess I better unpack my Echo and find a space for it and then hook it up to vera. I wonder if I can hook it up to multiple ones...
Also works with my dot and echo.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: shallowearth on December 13, 2016, 06:53:11 pm
In the US, on the Beta, still no joy ever getting Alexa to find any devices/scenes from my Vera ever.  Bummer.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: michaelhinchey on December 13, 2016, 06:55:22 pm
I'm in the USA and it works fine.  Make sure you are on the same network. 
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: NHguy on December 13, 2016, 06:58:34 pm
I'm in the USA and it works fine.  Make sure you are on the same network.
I'm having problems too. By the same network, are you saying the vera and echo are on the same subnet, ie 192.168.1.xx? Or something else?

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Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: shallowearth on December 13, 2016, 10:47:39 pm
Mine are in the same network, didn't make a difference.  But I do have wifi turned off on the Vera... hmm, I wonder if that matters at all.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: Sig on December 13, 2016, 11:45:36 pm
The combination of the Vera integration bringing over scenes from my weekend-home Vera, along with the "temporary" Forget Device feature of Echo, is starting to drive me nuts.  It's bad enough that the Vera integration is pulling over stuff I don't want from my other Vera unit.  I'm willing to live with that if I can at least tell Echo to "forget" it.  However, Echo re-connects to its server every hour or so and does a device discovery on its own, so anything you've "forgotten" gets found again, and you're left wondering why a verbal command to Echo that worked an hour earlier suddenly gets the response "I have multiple devices with that name."  You startup the Echo app and, voila, every device/scene you've previously forgotten has magically re-appeared.

Why the #$&@ would Echo provide the ability to forget a linked device, only to go and bring that device back into the system whether you want it or not?

I've searched the web for any possible way to make Echo permanently forget something, and there is no way.  The third-party making the Echo skill has to provide a checklist of devices, similar to what Harmony does (and Vera has tried to do), in order for Echo to remember what should and should not be linked.  The "forget" function is only useful for a device that you've renamed or eliminated from your network altogether.  The skill apparently maintains the list of stuff that should be linked to Echo.

Vera team - if you're listening, you need to work on including Scenes in that initial linking device checklist, so that we can be selective about what gets linked to Echo - either that, or let us select a specific Vera unit(s) if we have multiple, so that nothing from the undesired Vera gets linked to Echo.

As an extremely crude and annoying work-around, I've had to rename all of the scenes in my weekend home Vera using a two-letter prefix, so that I don't risk executing any of them with Echo, or having Echo tell me there are devices with duplicate names.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: baxy_AU on December 14, 2016, 04:05:43 am


has anyone had an news on getting the beta to work and discover devices in the UK yet ??? ;D

We are hoping that the beta will be available in the UK very soon. It is up to Amazon to decide when they want to turn on additional markets.

Marc

Please apply pressure to Amazon to enable this skill in the UK market. As you will see from the reviews of the skill on Amazon its currently at 1 star due to unhappy UK based people who cannot get it working, this must be hugely damaging to Vera as a brand
Haha i think you are wasting your time with that approach... Vera worried about damaging their brand, yea right. Vera struggle to rectify issues they have some control over never mind things they have no/little control over
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: michaelhinchey on December 14, 2016, 07:45:03 am
I'm in the USA and it works fine.  Make sure you are on the same network.
I'm having problems too. By the same network, are you saying the vera and echo are on the same subnet, ie 192.168.1.xx? Or something else?

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Same subnet.  You did the Vera upgrade right?  Make sure that you are doing the beta Vera and not just the most recent stable firmware.  Is Alexa even seeing your devices?
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: Nailer00 on December 14, 2016, 08:34:53 am


has anyone had an news on getting the beta to work and discover devices in the UK yet ??? ;D

We are hoping that the beta will be available in the UK very soon. It is up to Amazon to decide when they want to turn on additional markets.

Marc

Please apply pressure to Amazon to enable this skill in the UK market. As you will see from the reviews of the skill on Amazon its currently at 1 star due to unhappy UK based people who cannot get it working, this must be hugely damaging to Vera as a brand
Haha i think you are wasting your time with that approach... Vera worried about damaging their brand, yea right. Vera struggle to rectify issues they have some control over never mind things they have no/little control over

I'm relatively new to home automation but i find this whole situation bizarre. The whole product feels very unpolished and like something you'd get from kick-starter.

Since day 1 I've had issues with my Vera Edge, I purchased it with a Fibaro 2 Relay remote switch as my first device and it doesn't support the full functionality (2nd Relay) it at the moment without workarounds and sticking plasters being applied. I would have thought it was in Vera's interest to have the highest level of compatibility possible as soon as possible with a device from a brand I would assume is very widespread. To be fair I'm also assuming they can actually speak to the device and Fibaro haven't locked them out but i doubt thats the case given there are workarounds.

Its clear to see their aim is re-occurring revenue from the functionality like duress buttons and advanced camera management and issues like the ones I and many other people on this forum are having just arent even on the radar, very short sighted strategy IMO

Should have bought the Fibaro Homecentre I guess!
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: baxy_AU on December 14, 2016, 04:37:02 pm
Now you're catching on;)
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: tinker3433 on December 14, 2016, 04:57:00 pm
The combination of the Vera integration bringing over scenes from my weekend-home Vera, along with the "temporary" Forget Device feature of Echo, is starting to drive me nuts.  It's bad enough that the Vera integration is pulling over stuff I don't want from my other Vera unit.  I'm willing to live with that if I can at least tell Echo to "forget" it.  However, Echo re-connects to its server every hour or so and does a device discovery on its own, so anything you've "forgotten" gets found again, and you're left wondering why a verbal command to Echo that worked an hour earlier suddenly gets the response "I have multiple devices with that name."  You startup the Echo app and, voila, every device/scene you've previously forgotten has magically re-appeared.

Why the #$&@ would Echo provide the ability to forget a linked device, only to go and bring that device back into the system whether you want it or not?

I've searched the web for any possible way to make Echo permanently forget something, and there is no way.  The third-party making the Echo skill has to provide a checklist of devices, similar to what Harmony does (and Vera has tried to do), in order for Echo to remember what should and should not be linked.  The "forget" function is only useful for a device that you've renamed or eliminated from your network altogether.  The skill apparently maintains the list of stuff that should be linked to Echo.

Vera team - if you're listening, you need to work on including Scenes in that initial linking device checklist, so that we can be selective about what gets linked to Echo - either that, or let us select a specific Vera unit(s) if we have multiple, so that nothing from the undesired Vera gets linked to Echo.

As an extremely crude and annoying work-around, I've had to rename all of the scenes in my weekend home Vera using a two-letter prefix, so that I don't risk executing any of them with Echo, or having Echo tell me there are devices with duplicate names.

HA-Bridge works much better for me than the "direct" Vera version. it is a bridge, and does require the use of a Raspberry Pi, but it does work, and without the "Kitchen Kitchen Light" issue. and you can pick and choose what gets "shown" to Echo/Alexa during discovery. https://github.com/bwssytems/ha-bridge.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: Dataman100 on December 14, 2016, 05:51:41 pm
The combination of the Vera integration bringing over scenes from my weekend-home Vera, along with the "temporary" Forget Device feature of Echo, is starting to drive me nuts.  It's bad enough that the Vera integration is pulling over stuff I don't want from my other Vera unit.  I'm willing to live with that if I can at least tell Echo to "forget" it.  However, Echo re-connects to its server every hour or so and does a device discovery on its own, so anything you've "forgotten" gets found again, and you're left wondering why a verbal command to Echo that worked an hour earlier suddenly gets the response "I have multiple devices with that name."  You startup the Echo app and, voila, every device/scene you've previously forgotten has magically re-appeared.

Why the #$&@ would Echo provide the ability to forget a linked device, only to go and bring that device back into the system whether you want it or not?

I've searched the web for any possible way to make Echo permanently forget something, and there is no way.  The third-party making the Echo skill has to provide a checklist of devices, similar to what Harmony does (and Vera has tried to do), in order for Echo to remember what should and should not be linked.  The "forget" function is only useful for a device that you've renamed or eliminated from your network altogether.  The skill apparently maintains the list of stuff that should be linked to Echo.

Vera team - if you're listening, you need to work on including Scenes in that initial linking device checklist, so that we can be selective about what gets linked to Echo - either that, or let us select a specific Vera unit(s) if we have multiple, so that nothing from the undesired Vera gets linked to Echo.

As an extremely crude and annoying work-around, I've had to rename all of the scenes in my weekend home Vera using a two-letter prefix, so that I don't risk executing any of them with Echo, or having Echo tell me there are devices with duplicate names.

Hi Sig,

I found the exact same thing.  The "Forget" button is useless as it rediscovers every hour.  I had to do the same thing as you and rename the conflicting scenes/devices.  I'm willing to put up with it in the short term as I know this is beta.  I'm confident they'll fix these issues.  I thought about setting up the HA-Bridge, but I know that just as I get everything working the way I want it, they'll fix all of this.   ;)

Dave
Title: Links for firmware?
Post by: edentel on December 15, 2016, 12:03:06 pm
I must be missing something.... when I click the link to the beta firmware I'm getting an error back in the browser that "This article doesn't have a translation for English".  I can find the release notes under the knowledge base but I find no URLs there either.

Can someone point me to the beta firmware URLs?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: Marc Shenker on December 15, 2016, 02:15:56 pm
Marc Shenker - Is there a limit to devices that can be on the Alexa service? I currently have 36 devices discovered but have 41 selected and cant get the other 5 to be discovered.

Here is the list of what Amazon permits and does not permit.

Allowed Devices

The following device types are allowed to be incorporated as part of a scene:

    Light bulbs
    Thermostats
    Switched electrical outlets
    Fans
    Window blinds

Devices that are not allowed

Device types that have security or safety considerations are prohibited. The following list contains examples of devices that are not allowed. If we determine that your smart home skill allows the discovery of scenes that affect disallowed devices, it will not pass the certification process.

    Door locks
    Garage doors
    Security systems
    Security sensors
    Cooking appliances
    Cameras

We have no say in what is allowed and not allowed.


We are as anxious to get the UK going as those of you in the UK are. We have no influence on when that will happen. It is expected very soon.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: kabdalla on December 15, 2016, 04:01:34 pm
I'm having an issue after registration that the Vera states that I don't have any devices to add.  This is the exact language:

Select the devices that Amazon Echo will have access to
XXXXXXXX

No lights, dimmers or thermostats found...


I'm running the latest (1.7.902) firmware for VeraLite that claims support.  I've tried multiple browsers, removing and re-adding the controller to my account, and the VeraLite and Echo are on the same subnet/network.  The Vera skill appears in my Alexa app but obviously can't discover anything from Vera.

Anyone else have this issue?  Thoughts?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: michaelhinchey on December 16, 2016, 08:41:15 am
I'm assuming you are in the us?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: kabdalla on December 16, 2016, 09:43:12 am
Yes, I'm in the US.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: jwalsh on December 16, 2016, 10:00:31 am
I joined the beta, updated my firmware to 1.7.2406, enabled two AEON switches from the list of devices I could enable, but cannot get the Echo to discover them.  I tried disabling the skill and adding again, but no luck; discovery never finds them.  I am in the US.

I followed the guide here:  http://support.getvera.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2648086

I don't see that I missed anything.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: michaelhinchey on December 16, 2016, 12:22:34 pm
First I wouldtdisable the skill, run discovery and then reenable  skill and try again.  If that fails, I would try and revert back down to the last firmware.  Run The Alexa integration and see if Alexa sees your devices.  I did this before upgrading and Alexa was able to see my devices without the beta firmware.  I wasnt able to test them nor did I care because I am using the ha bridge to communicate with Vera.    However, Alexa saw the devices and put them in my skill list.    Good luck
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: kabdalla on December 16, 2016, 05:12:30 pm
I tried these and still no luck.  One thing I remembered happened the first time, and it happened again now, is that after I get the email to verify my email address, and I click on the "CLICK HERE TO ENABLE SKILL" link, I get directed to a page to enter my Amazon credentials, after that I get sent to this page "http://alexa.amazon.com/api/skills/redirect-to-skill-authorization-uri", which for me is blank.  When I go back and click on the "CLICK HERE TO ENABLE SKILL" link again, then I get directed to log in to my Vera account, which produces the "No lights, dimmers or thermostats found..." message.  I used Chrome the first time and Safari the second.

This second time, however, it didn't seem to add the Vera skill to my Alexa app/portal anymore (unless there is a delay in adding it).  That blank "redirect to skill authorization page", is it something other than the Vera login page that I get directed to the second time I click the link?
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: itsmess on December 16, 2016, 10:23:40 pm
I had trouble getting echo to control a ge zwave switch.  I found I had to go to alexa site and remove vera skill then reactivate it(after deleting all Vera devices).  Then look for devices and click on Jasco (GE) light switch.  I think alexa works outside the Vera app, but vera can still control it in its app and add scenes.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: michaelhinchey on December 17, 2016, 07:25:10 am
So what happened when you downgraded the firmware and enabled the skill? 
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: kabdalla on December 17, 2016, 09:01:41 am
The exact same thing happens.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: eatonjb on December 17, 2016, 12:01:00 pm
So far I have made work arounds, like make Amazon Groups activate scenes or turn off 1 light.

I can rename a device in the Vera, but it does not change in the Amazon app.   I never tried changing it, and waiting an hour, I am going to do that now. 

But, I have a few issues that bum me out, I can't seem to dim any lights.  "That command does not work on device"

I know it's beta, but I am going to make a statement, I am pretty unhappy with my Vera as far as keeping up with the pack, by now IFFTT should be a standard thing, and Alexa being in beta, I am debating on moving to Smart things... 

On that note, i am glad I can turn on and off my lights, but i want dimming!
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: michaelhinchey on December 17, 2016, 12:14:15 pm
OK so most likely it is nothing to do with the beta then.   You have made sure that both Vera and echo are on the same subnet.  Most likely they are because it seems they are communicating somewhat.  I don't know what to tell you except cal Vera support.  They may be able to direct you better.  Sorry I couldn't be much of any help.  Hopefully someone had this issue and has found a way to get you on track again.  Don't give up.  Happy holidays. 
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: JimWingard on December 17, 2016, 12:46:30 pm
For dimming, you must say "set" not "turn on" light. As in "set kitchen light to 50%". I struggled with this myself for hours last night. Looked at the supported commands in this link, http://support.getvera.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2648086 . All works as in the link. I did have to put most of my switches in a room called "THE" in order to get light switches to work without having to say things like "Alexa turn on kitchen kitchen chandliers on", or "alexa turn on piano piano room chandlier on". Had same problem with can lights in all rooms. Vera does not allow instances of more than one device called the same name even if they are in different rooms. I have multiple rooms with chandliers, cans, and wall sconces. As I said I had to group most into a room called "The"! The problem with this is that there is a charcter length restriction in the naming of devices. Can't add "Formal Dining Room Chandlier" to device name. S I had to name the room "Formal Dining" and the device "room Chandlier" to get past the charcter limit. I don't know how much trouble it would be to increase the charcter limit on device names, but it would solve most of these issues!
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: JohnN on December 18, 2016, 11:42:23 am
Calling this a beta is putting it mildly - I've got two Veras, and even though I selected which one (and which devices) I wanted discovered, it went and found every last device on both units and added them to the list.

Made the mistake of trying to restart from scratch, hit 'Forget all' and went back to step one, and not I can't find anything.

Waste of time.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: BOFH on December 18, 2016, 04:55:36 pm
Marc, that explains why Alexa is not showing vast majority of my scenes. As most of those work with the 'forbidden devices'. I can see the wisdom of not granting Alexa access to eg camera's or doors and I'm glad it's not supported.

Now why the devices Alexa discovers are shown Offline I'm not sure of. Can you or another Getvera resource with knowledge describe the flow of the process on how Alexa discovers the devices and determines if they are online of not? Is that done via the local Echo or is Amazon trying to do this from one of their servers? If the latter, I think my firewall is doing it's job and that may be the cause of the 'offline' messages. Although my firewall does allow Echo through to communicate with the mothership just fine.

Tis a beta so I'm not expecting it to be perfect. But telling Alexa would beat using a minimote. ;)
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: kabdalla on December 18, 2016, 08:33:16 pm
Thanks for the suggestions.  I've been going through this with Support already.  They couldn't resolve it either and have forwarded it to Development.  I'll post on here when there's resolution.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: RichardPHarvey on December 19, 2016, 10:25:23 am
I'm having no luck getting this working.  I'm following the instructions correctly I think.  I selected the devices I want to control, clicked finish.  But when I go to the Alexa app and to the Vera skill when I click on discover devices it comes back with "Discovery could not be completed.  All of your Alexa devices are offline"

What the heck am I doing wrong.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: boojew on December 19, 2016, 11:03:14 am
This is working really well for me. Using it primarily with light switches, it works like a charm. I have so far only one issue - I have one wall dimmer unit with lamps plugged in and Alexa has no issues turning it off, but it can never turn it off. Alexa accepts the command and says "ok", but the light stays on.

I'm totally ignorant on what to troubleshoot here...
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: keg_kc on December 19, 2016, 02:47:30 pm
At first Alexa couldn't discover my devices. Here's how I think I fixed it. First, give each device a short and 100% unique name (don't even include the word room, unless it's one word like dinningroom or livingroom). Next, use your the email to link to the "enable skill". Once there, try selecting one (maybe up to two) devices at a time. Then attempt to discover them with Alexa (via the app, web portal or by saying "Alexa, discover my devices."). Assuming you get one or two devices, and some scenes to show up, go back to the email and click "enable skill" again. This time add one or two different devices and deselect the ones you've already successfully added. Then, have Alexa discover devices again. Continue to repeat this process until all devices are showing in the Alexa app. When you've gotten them all in, you need to go back to the "enable skill" email and this time select all of the devices you've already added, BUT DON'T ask Alexa to discover devices this time. I hope this works for others, and I hope Vera/Amazon can improve it soon.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: boojew on December 19, 2016, 08:47:12 pm
At first Alexa couldn't discover my devices. Here's how I think I fixed it. First, give each device a short and 100% unique name (don't even include the word room, unless it's one word like dinningroom or livingroom). Next, use your the email to link to the "enable skill". Once there, try selecting one (maybe up to two) devices at a time. Then attempt to discover them with Alexa (via the app, web portal or by saying "Alexa, discover my devices."). Assuming you get one or two devices, and some scenes to show up, go back to the email and click "enable skill" again. This time add one or two different devices and deselect the ones you've already successfully added. Then, have Alexa discover devices again. Continue to repeat this process until all devices are showing in the Alexa app. When you've gotten them all in, you need to go back to the "enable skill" email and this time select all of the devices you've already added, BUT DON'T ask Alexa to discover devices this time. I hope this works for others, and I hope Vera/Amazon can improve it soon.

This is a very different experience from what I had. I added the integration and on first go around, it got all the devices - and they all worked -well save that living room plugin that will turn off but not on :(
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: kurt404 on December 20, 2016, 10:20:47 am
I have renamed all my rooms with numbers in front of the name.  Example:  1attic, 2basement, 3bedroom, 4familyroom, 5kitchen, etc.......    I then added a "1" after each device name.  Example:  bedroom1 lights1, kitchen1 lights1, familyroom1 fan1, etc......  Next I added the groups in alexa.amazon.com using the friendly names that I can remember.  I no longer have problems with my echo being confused stating "many devices with that name, which one do you mean?" 
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: RichardPHarvey on December 20, 2016, 12:47:31 pm
Suddenly today I'm actually able to do device discovery without getting the error, it found all my scenes but none of my devices.  I know this is still beta but really...?


I'm having no luck getting this working.  I'm following the instructions correctly I think.  I selected the devices I want to control, clicked finish.  But when I go to the Alexa app and to the Vera skill when I click on discover devices it comes back with "Discovery could not be completed.  All of your Alexa devices are offline"

What the heck am I doing wrong.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: dpaik on December 20, 2016, 02:39:30 pm
kurt404

Can you give some examples of the Group Names you used in Alexa?

Also, some examples of commands?  I a little confused...Would you say "Alexa, turn on bedroom one lights one" or "Alexa, turn on bedroom lights"?

Because Alexa is FRUSTRATINGLY SENSITIVE to sentence structure it is hard to remember to say something right the first time.  Between the limitations of both Vera and Alexa home automation has a long long way to go.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: kurt404 on December 20, 2016, 03:31:01 pm
I use the numbers in the names so that Alexa cannot recognize them.  I only tell Alexa to turn on or off by the names in the groups.  Let me know if that is not clear.
The groups as listed in alexa.amazon.com

Your Groups
Use groups to control multiple devices at a time.
Bedroom ceiling light 1 Device
Christmas tree 1 Device
Outside lights 4 Devices
Closet lights 1 Device
Dining room lights 1 Device
Family room fan 1 Device
Family room ceiling lights 1 Device
Bedroom lights 1 Device
Bathroom lights 1 Device
Family room lights 2 Devices
Garage door opener 1 Device
Bedroom fan 1 Device
Kitchen lights 2 Devices
Garage lights 1 Device
Kitchen sink light 1 Device
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: kurt404 on December 20, 2016, 03:39:52 pm
In the above list of groups I do not have any rooms or devices in Vera that match those names so Alexa is not confused.  If I ask Alexa to turn on "bedroom lights" the only place that I have the words bedroom lights is in the alexa app groups.  Within Vera the words bedroom or lights either have a number next to the spelling or the words run together like "1bedroom lights1" or "bedRoomLights"

How can I get rid of the verifications?  If the questions get much harder I will have to Google them.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: dpaik on December 20, 2016, 04:49:10 pm
kurt404

thanks for the explaining.  I will give it a try.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mbaker171 on December 22, 2016, 09:00:35 am
Hi guys.. I'm a UK user. I never find any devices when I run the vera app... So it's failing the very last step... Has anyone managed to get this to work in the UK?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: shady.hamilton on December 23, 2016, 08:55:21 am
If i lost the email about installing the beta app... how can i install it again on the amazon echo?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: aupperton on December 24, 2016, 07:35:45 am
Hi guys.. I'm a UK user. I never find any devices when I run the vera app... So it's failing the very last step... Has anyone managed to get this to work in the UK?

I think from earlier in the thread it was mentioned that Amazon haven't activated the skill for UK users yet so we have to wait a bit longer. Can't understand why TBH, if it's working for our USA friends then surely we should be allowed to have a play with it. If they want to iron out any bugs, just let us loose on it. I'm sure we'll find some!!
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: lingerba on December 24, 2016, 02:53:28 pm
Is anyone (in the US) still having issues getting this working?  I followed all of the steps, but Alexa does not find any devices from Vera.  I have enabled/disable/re-enabled the Vera skill multiple times.  I have tried lots of devices all of the way down to one device.  I am not sure what my issue is.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: BOFH on December 24, 2016, 06:16:34 pm
Same issue here as well still. Not sure what is causing it but the skill is in beta still so I'm being patient and hoping for it to get fixed.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: 172pilot on December 25, 2016, 11:38:42 pm
Wow..  I seem to be having a completely different experience than everyone..  I discover my devices, and it lists all of the devices AND scenes in my alexa page, but the alexa keeps telling me there's no devices with that name, no matter if I do the "livingroom livingroom lights" thing, or not..  Does anyone else have all the devices discovered correctly, but is unable to use ANY of them, and/or any troubleshooting ideas??
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: sely on December 26, 2016, 11:02:16 am
I think a lot of these issues are with Alexa.  I have other skills in Alexa and they also can quit working if you disable them and enable again.  I found if I disabled the Vera Skill in Alexa the only way to get it to work again is reset Alexa and start over.    If someone knows of another way please let me know.   The Alexa just can't handle similar names and if you don't want to say the room name and device name (i.e. kitchen kitchen light) then you need to do something like Kurt suggested above or make device a unique name and put it in no room.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: niharmehta on December 26, 2016, 06:10:55 pm
 Santa brought a few extra Echo Dot's to our home this year and I have been integrating them while testing against this beta and the existing Hue Bridge which is my production interface which seems to be working better for me at this point. 

Anyways, last month I designed and 3D printed a mount to retrofit the speaker in the our crappy home intercom system we never used.  By doing this, for the less than a cost of a Zwave scene controller in each room,  I was able to integrate voice control everywhere . If anyone is interested, i have shared the design here if you have the similar model intercom.  (Nortek / M&S  NW65RS). This could work with other intercom panels with 4.5" or 5" speaker mounts
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1947029

I used a Meanwell 24V constant voltage   power supply in the central box to drive power over a pair of the existing wiring and bought a Buck DC converter to power the Echo Dot. The Converter is here:   http://a.co/61czvZP . Since the dot is  just 5V- 1.8A, the Meanwell 24V  easily powers all the echo Dot's since they barely draw more than 5W and closer to 1W each normally.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: NHguy on December 26, 2016, 06:33:48 pm
I think a lot of these issues are with Alexa.  I have other skills in Alexa and they also can quit working if you disable them and enable again.  I found if I disabled the Vera Skill in Alexa the only way to get it to work again is reset Alexa and start over.    If someone knows of another way please let me know.   The Alexa just can't handle similar names and if you don't want to say the room name and device name (i.e. kitchen kitchen light) then you need to do something like Kurt suggested above or make device a unique name and put it in no room.

Just tried resetting Alexa, still won't discover any devices...(In US, had it working, disabled the skill to rename devices to be more unique and then can't get it to discover anymore). Tried so many things, resetting vera, various incantations of selecting one device, different browsers, etc... Contacted tech support, got form response, beta may have bugs, forwarding to development that others have posted. Nothing...
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: hoanfamily on December 27, 2016, 12:02:06 pm
I can't get it to work either.  I had Martin's skill working prior to installing the beta skill.  Now I can't get either to work and I can't seem to control my X10 lights thru the app. I think the new firmware broke something.  So disappointed with Vera.  I'm waiting for Vera to respond back with how I can revert back to the previous firmware.  I've had my Vera3 for many years, so I might just upgrade to an ISY device instead of trying to fix this.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: nickman2025 on December 27, 2016, 05:32:33 pm
I can't get it to work either.  I had Martin's skill working prior to installing the beta skill.  Now I can't get either to work and I can't seem to control my X10 lights thru the app. I think the new firmware broke something.  So disappointed with Vera.  I'm waiting for Vera to respond back with how I can revert back to the previous firmware.  I've had my Vera3 for many years, so I might just upgrade to an ISY device instead of trying to fix this.


If you have the firmware upgraded, try enabling the Alexa skill again, only this time, uncheck all devices, it should find all your scenes (if your in the US). If that works, go back to the Vera page with the check boxes and check a couple devices at a time and then run discover again.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: shillingcl on December 27, 2016, 10:33:05 pm
Just got my echo dot for Christmas, and I'm really loving the Vera integration with Echo.  But... I think I just ran into the same issue.  After I was able to quickly get it working, I decided to go back in and rename all of my devices in addition to upgrading firmware since, of course, that could only make it better, right?  Well, of course, none of the devices updated and nothing would work correctly.  Fast forward 2 hours and I think I've figured it out. 

Try at your own risk, but I think it will work... I don't have the exact steps because I went through several iterations, but I'm pretty sure it all came down to this:
  * Go to the Vera app store and install the Amazon Alexa Helper App.  (It says that you should not install by hand because it is installed by the beta setup link, but I decided to try)
  * The configuration will run for a few minutes until it gives you an option to exit.  Once I hit exit it still showed a note about configuration, but I ignored
  * Go to Settings \ ZWave Settings \ Advanced \ Reload Engine - Wait 5 minutes
  * Go to the beta link again to verify and update all of the devices
  * Go to the Alexa app and re-run device discovery (After doing this a few times, I noticed that sometime it would be 15-20 minutes before this pulled in all of the updates.)
  * At this point, all of my devices showed up with the new names and everything is working expected

One additional note - the devices did come in with updated names where I had made changes, but both the old name and new name show for each device.  Because of that, I think Alexa was still seeing both names which was a problem.  I decided it would be best to just forget each of those devices with changed names, and then go through the process above to re-add all of the changed devices.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: guest143315 on December 28, 2016, 02:03:40 pm
I've gotten things mostly working - including GE switches - but I do have problems:

1. I can't seem to run scenes (that control lights or thermostats).  What do I say?
2. Get groups to work right.  I have a "Thermostat" in room "Downstairs" and another "Thermostat" in "Upstairs".  I can control each individually, but when I create a group called "Thermostats" and add them both to it, I can't say, "Alexa, set thermostats to 75".  It complains that there are multiple devices with that name.  So what am I to name the group?   Workaround: I named the group "Both Thermostats", so I can now say, "Alexa, set Both Thermostats to 75" and it works.  Kludgey, but that's beta for you.
3. I have a "front door light", and "front porch light", both are in the "Front Room".  When I ask Alexa to "turn on the front door light", she complains that she found several devices matching that name.

Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: sgruby on December 28, 2016, 03:06:16 pm
Does the Vera have to be on the same subnet as the Echo for discovery to work? I know that the Echo uses UPnP for discovery and was wondering if the Vera skill did some magic that had the skill talk to the cloud and get the actual Vera IP address.

(My Vera is on a separate subnet as it is a lot more stable given that nothing can do broadcasts to it and when it broadcasts, it gets only the router back.)
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: a-lurker on December 28, 2016, 03:59:54 pm
@shillingcl

Quote
Amazon Alexa Helper Helper plugin for Amazon Alexa. This plugin is automatically installed by the Alexa wizard, and should not be installed by hand.

First time I've ever seen mention of the above. Where did you come across this info? What is and how is the "Alexa wizard" accessed and what does the plugin do? Some screen captures would be very welcome.

I've clearly missed something in the documentation somewhere.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: boojew on December 28, 2016, 05:00:34 pm
I have a feature request: the ability to exclude decides from being synced to Alexa
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: sely on December 28, 2016, 11:44:14 pm
I've gotten things mostly working - including GE switches - but I do have problems:

1. I can't seem to run scenes (that control lights or thermostats).  What do I say?
2. Get groups to work right.  I have a "Thermostat" in room "Downstairs" and another "Thermostat" in "Upstairs".  I can control each individually, but when I create a group called "Thermostats" and add them both to it, I can't say, "Alexa, set thermostats to 75".  It complains that there are multiple devices with that name.  So what am I to name the group?   Workaround: I named the group "Both Thermostats", so I can now say, "Alexa, set Both Thermostats to 75" and it works.  Kludgey, but that's beta for you.
3. I have a "front door light", and "front porch light", both are in the "Front Room".  When I ask Alexa to "turn on the front door light", she complains that she found several devices matching that name.

1.  You have to say Alexa turn on XXXX (scene name).  BTW, you can't say 'turn off' on a scene.
2.  Seems like a good work around, I am surprised it works.
3.  The correct voice command for your examples would be 'turn on front room front porch light' and 'turn on front room front door light.  When you look in the Alexa Smart Home page, in the first line for the device, is the command syntax.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: guest143315 on December 29, 2016, 10:14:33 am
I've gotten things mostly working - including GE switches - but I do have problems:

1. I can't seem to run scenes (that control lights or thermostats).  What do I say?
2. Get groups to work right.  I have a "Thermostat" in room "Downstairs" and another "Thermostat" in "Upstairs".  I can control each individually, but when I create a group called "Thermostats" and add them both to it, I can't say, "Alexa, set thermostats to 75".  It complains that there are multiple devices with that name.  So what am I to name the group?   Workaround: I named the group "Both Thermostats", so I can now say, "Alexa, set Both Thermostats to 75" and it works.  Kludgey, but that's beta for you.
3. I have a "front door light", and "front porch light", both are in the "Front Room".  When I ask Alexa to "turn on the front door light", she complains that she found several devices matching that name.

1.  You have to say Alexa turn on XXXX (scene name).  BTW, you can't say 'turn off' on a scene.
2.  Seems like a good work around, I am surprised it works.
3.  The correct voice command for your examples would be 'turn on front room front porch light' and 'turn on front room front door light.  When you look in the Alexa Smart Home page, in the first line for the device, is the command syntax.

1.  Thanks; I will try that. 
3. The corollary to this is that in the room "Upstairs", I have "Jason's lamp", "John's lamp", and "Holly's lamp", and to control them, I can just say, "Alexa, turn on Jason's lamp" and it works.   But if I try to turn on "Front door light", it complains.   Maybe the difference is "light" versus "lamp", where "light" is a special term?   I don't know.  I'll have to play with it.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mvader on December 29, 2016, 10:35:28 am
@shillingcl

Quote
Amazon Alexa Helper Helper plugin for Amazon Alexa. This plugin is automatically installed by the Alexa wizard, and should not be installed by hand.

First time I've ever seen mention of the above. Where did you come across this info? What is and how is the "Alexa wizard" accessed and what does the plugin do? Some screen captures would be very welcome.

I've clearly missed something in the documentation somewhere.

same here.. I installed it..  it did it's thing but i don't see it show up in my apps.
i can't tell what it does
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mrpchead on December 29, 2016, 12:11:05 pm
Been struggling with this for two weeks and yesterday was the first time Customer Service mentioned the Amazon Alexa Helper app. First, a brief history:

Two weeks ago I was given an Echo Dot (gen 1). I have a Vera 3 that has been great for a couple years. I hadn't updated firmware in a while so before trying the Alexa integration I tried to install the latest firmware, which at that time was the first post-Alexa beta version which I believe is still current: 1.7.902. There wasn't enough disk space for the firmware but eventually Customer Service had me 1) backup Z-Wave network, 2) backup controller, 3) reset to factory default, 4) install 1.7.902, then 5) restore backup along with Z-Wave network. That actually worked without a hitch. So, on to the fun stuff. I performed a reset on the Echo Dot and performed initial config, including adding it to my WiFi and Amazon account. I enrolled in the Beta program and followed the steps outlined in the published documentation. Everything worked fine. I selected all devices in the Vera portal and they were discovered just fine.

The following two hours were a lot of fun. I was able to control all lights individually and once I created an Alexa group called "Everything" that included all lights I could turn off all lights by saying "Alexa, turn off Everything". Now comes that bad part. I had a Web Power Switch that had stopped working a few firmwares ago and I thought maybe it would work now so I added it back to the Vera. I ran Alexa discovery again but didn't see any of the WPS devices (each outlet can be named) however at that point I had two of all the previous devices. A previous poster had the same issue with one being tagged as "unkown". I wasn't sure forgetting one or the other would work so I used the "forget all devices and groups" option. That was about 10 days ago. Ever since then I have been unable to discover anything.

Here's a synopsis of my efforts.

- Tried to disable skill/ enable skill then discover.
- disable skill, enable but only check one, two , three, all , none devices then discover
   (have tried this one many, many times with and without Vera reboot)
- created dummy Amazon account and done it all over
- created dummy Beta user account and repeated all steps
- got a new Echo Dot (gen 2) and started from scratch five days ago
- worked with customer service via email to try so many different combinations that I have honestly lost track.
- yesterday installed the Amazon Alexa Helper per instructions from Customer Service, then retried all the above steps

Not once since that first "Forget all devices and groups" has discovery found anything at all. Nothing has changed on my LAN, WiFi, Firewall, switches, etc. Customer Service was responding via email about once every 24 hours until I started including a lot of Vera folks in the emails. Then for several days I would get emails within about 1/2 hour of trying the latest fix/test. Last night after finishing the steps above I received an email saying my results would all be reported back to Engineering.

One last interesting thing: the CS rep told me that I was the only remaining customer for whom discovery was no longer working. Is this true?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mbaker171 on December 29, 2016, 12:55:07 pm
Still never worke for me... in the uk... discovery never finds anything...
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: sely on December 29, 2016, 01:19:31 pm
I've gotten things mostly working - including GE switches - but I do have problems:

1. I can't seem to run scenes (that control lights or thermostats).  What do I say?
2. Get groups to work right.  I have a "Thermostat" in room "Downstairs" and another "Thermostat" in "Upstairs".  I can control each individually, but when I create a group called "Thermostats" and add them both to it, I can't say, "Alexa, set thermostats to 75".  It complains that there are multiple devices with that name.  So what am I to name the group?   Workaround: I named the group "Both Thermostats", so I can now say, "Alexa, set Both Thermostats to 75" and it works.  Kludgey, but that's beta for you.
3. I have a "front door light", and "front porch light", both are in the "Front Room".  When I ask Alexa to "turn on the front door light", she complains that she found several devices matching that name.

1.  You have to say Alexa turn on XXXX (scene name).  BTW, you can't say 'turn off' on a scene.
2.  Seems like a good work around, I am surprised it works.
3.  The correct voice command for your examples would be 'turn on front room front porch light' and 'turn on front room front door light.  When you look in the Alexa Smart Home page, in the first line for the device, is the command syntax.

1.  Thanks; I will try that. 
3. The corollary to this is that in the room "Upstairs", I have "Jason's lamp", "John's lamp", and "Holly's lamp", and to control them, I can just say, "Alexa, turn on Jason's lamp" and it works.   But if I try to turn on "Front door light", it complains.   Maybe the difference is "light" versus "lamp", where "light" is a special term?   I don't know.  I'll have to play with it.

I have seen similar strange things on Alexa with Vera and my other Smart Home skill for the Harmony.  If someone could give clear guidance how best to name the room/devices so Alexa can find them it would be nice.  I think that someone needs to be Amazon because the issue seems to be in Alexa and how it handles similar device names.  I've seen several different methods in this forum how to structure room and device names.  I'm curious if SmartThings users are having a similar problem.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: JimWingard on December 29, 2016, 02:39:47 pm
I got all of my in-wall switches and dimmers to work. I cannot get a new Jasco/GE plugin lamp module to work. It works in Vera, but Echo displays "bad code" and will not control the device?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: a-lurker on December 29, 2016, 03:32:18 pm
Using a Vera 3 with 1.7.902 firmware:   I'm not in UK, DE or US - regardless the beta email link compiles a nice list of just my switches, no scenes, together with check boxes. Have done all the usual incantations, throw of the bones, etc but the Amazon App discovery process has never discovered anything. Might need to get out WireShark.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mrpchead on December 29, 2016, 03:38:49 pm
Interesting. I neglected to mention that the Vera portal only shows switches, dimmers, and my thermostat. No scenes were ever visible. Re: Wireshark, I've thought about my LAN except for the fact that I did have an initial discovery and a fully functional integration. Frankly I don't think the Alexa discovery has anything to do with my environment and everything to do with the cloud-to-cloud communication.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: a-lurker on December 29, 2016, 04:08:07 pm
Good point - yes, if it worked once, it does imply problems in the cloud.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mbaker171 on December 29, 2016, 04:13:42 pm
Finally in the Uk we are told...

http://support.getvera.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2673588

New Features

    Central Monitoring Service (CMS) ? Beta service now available in select US markets.
    Amazon Alexa Native Skills Integration ? Climate, Lighting, and Scenes
        To access the Amazon Alexa Beta you must register at http://eepurl.com/co0Nur
        PLEASE NOTE: Initially, only the http://alexa.amazon.com domain is supported. We will add http://alexa.amazon.co.uk, and http://alexa.amazon.de in the coming weeks. If you are in the UK or DE markets, we will notify you via email as soon as your region is activated. 
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: nutshellml on December 29, 2016, 04:26:42 pm
Vera Plus w/ Alexa (Dot) I can't get any of the scenes to run.  I have a scene to lock front door, but Alexa doesn't recognize it or says there are mulitple devices.  I tried creating a group with that one scene but still didn't work.  ANy thoughts or fixes?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: a-lurker on December 29, 2016, 04:31:51 pm
@mbaker171 - and if at this URL:

http://eepurl.com/co0Nur

you select the USA, instead of the UK. Then what happens? Clearly you'll get US based responses and capabilities but can you control your Vera? I have tried different languages eg UK vs US and it makes no differences to discovery, although Alexa does have different answers to the same question(s) based on local culture.

Has any one succeeded in controlling Vera, if they are actually not in the USA?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: jbonzey on December 29, 2016, 04:41:09 pm
For what it's worth I am running my Veraedge on the latest standard code and the Alexa app works perfectly.   Wish I could help you guys out but for others in the usa the veraedge works fine with an Alexa dot - at least mine does
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: nutshellml on December 29, 2016, 04:46:17 pm
I'm in the US but can't get the scenes running..
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Zoro on December 29, 2016, 04:54:32 pm
Been struggling with this for two weeks and yesterday was the first time Customer Service mentioned the Amazon Alexa Helper app. First, a brief history:

Two weeks ago I was given an Echo Dot (gen 1). I have a Vera 3 that has been great for a couple years. I hadn't updated firmware in a while so before trying the Alexa integration I tried to install the latest firmware, which at that time was the first post-Alexa beta version which I believe is still current: 1.7.902. There wasn't enough disk space for the firmware but eventually Customer Service had me 1) backup Z-Wave network, 2) backup controller, 3) reset to factory default, 4) install 1.7.902, then 5) restore backup along with Z-Wave network. That actually worked without a hitch. So, on to the fun stuff. I performed a reset on the Echo Dot and performed initial config, including adding it to my WiFi and Amazon account. I enrolled in the Beta program and followed the steps outlined in the published documentation. Everything worked fine. I selected all devices in the Vera portal and they were discovered just fine.

The following two hours were a lot of fun. I was able to control all lights individually and once I created an Alexa group called "Everything" that included all lights I could turn off all lights by saying "Alexa, turn off Everything". Now comes that bad part. I had a Web Power Switch that had stopped working a few firmwares ago and I thought maybe it would work now so I added it back to the Vera. I ran Alexa discovery again but didn't see any of the WPS devices (each outlet can be named) however at that point I had two of all the previous devices. A previous poster had the same issue with one being tagged as "unkown". I wasn't sure forgetting one or the other would work so I used the "forget all devices and groups" option. That was about 10 days ago. Ever since then I have been unable to discover anything.

Here's a synopsis of my efforts.

- Tried to disable skill/ enable skill then discover.
- disable skill, enable but only check one, two , three, all , none devices then discover
   (have tried this one many, many times with and without Vera reboot)
- created dummy Amazon account and done it all over
- created dummy Beta user account and repeated all steps
- got a new Echo Dot (gen 2) and started from scratch five days ago
- worked with customer service via email to try so many different combinations that I have honestly lost track.
- yesterday installed the Amazon Alexa Helper per instructions from Customer Service, then retried all the above steps

Not once since that first "Forget all devices and groups" has discovery found anything at all. Nothing has changed on my LAN, WiFi, Firewall, switches, etc. Customer Service was responding via email about once every 24 hours until I started including a lot of Vera folks in the emails. Then for several days I would get emails within about 1/2 hour of trying the latest fix/test. Last night after finishing the steps above I received an email saying my results would all be reported back to Engineering.

One last interesting thing: the CS rep told me that I was the only remaining customer for whom discovery was no longer working. Is this true?

Hi mrpchead

  Had the same experience as you. Discovery no longer works no matter what I do.

Z
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: nutshellml on December 29, 2016, 05:09:45 pm
Been struggling with this for two weeks and yesterday was the first time Customer Service mentioned the Amazon Alexa Helper app. First, a brief history:

Two weeks ago I was given an Echo Dot (gen 1). I have a Vera 3 that has been great for a couple years. I hadn't updated firmware in a while so before trying the Alexa integration I tried to install the latest firmware, which at that time was the first post-Alexa beta version which I believe is still current: 1.7.902. There wasn't enough disk space for the firmware but eventually Customer Service had me 1) backup Z-Wave network, 2) backup controller, 3) reset to factory default, 4) install 1.7.902, then 5) restore backup along with Z-Wave network. That actually worked without a hitch. So, on to the fun stuff. I performed a reset on the Echo Dot and performed initial config, including adding it to my WiFi and Amazon account. I enrolled in the Beta program and followed the steps outlined in the published documentation. Everything worked fine. I selected all devices in the Vera portal and they were discovered just fine.

The following two hours were a lot of fun. I was able to control all lights individually and once I created an Alexa group called "Everything" that included all lights I could turn off all lights by saying "Alexa, turn off Everything". Now comes that bad part. I had a Web Power Switch that had stopped working a few firmwares ago and I thought maybe it would work now so I added it back to the Vera. I ran Alexa discovery again but didn't see any of the WPS devices (each outlet can be named) however at that point I had two of all the previous devices. A previous poster had the same issue with one being tagged as "unkown". I wasn't sure forgetting one or the other would work so I used the "forget all devices and groups" option. That was about 10 days ago. Ever since then I have been unable to discover anything.

Here's a synopsis of my efforts.

- Tried to disable skill/ enable skill then discover.
- disable skill, enable but only check one, two , three, all , none devices then discover
   (have tried this one many, many times with and without Vera reboot)
- created dummy Amazon account and done it all over
- created dummy Beta user account and repeated all steps
- got a new Echo Dot (gen 2) and started from scratch five days ago
- worked with customer service via email to try so many different combinations that I have honestly lost track.
- yesterday installed the Amazon Alexa Helper per instructions from Customer Service, then retried all the above steps

Not once since that first "Forget all devices and groups" has discovery found anything at all. Nothing has changed on my LAN, WiFi, Firewall, switches, etc. Customer Service was responding via email about once every 24 hours until I started including a lot of Vera folks in the emails. Then for several days I would get emails within about 1/2 hour of trying the latest fix/test. Last night after finishing the steps above I received an email saying my results would all be reported back to Engineering.

One last interesting thing: the CS rep told me that I was the only remaining customer for whom discovery was no longer working. Is this true?

Hi mrpchead

  Had the same experience as you. Discovery no longer works no matter what I do.

Z

YUP, me too, no longer discovering any devices.  I tried forgetting all, disabling and re enabling vera, now I have nothing.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mrpchead on December 29, 2016, 05:35:21 pm
Been struggling with this for two weeks and yesterday was the first time Customer Service mentioned the Amazon Alexa Helper app. First, a brief history:

Two weeks ago I was given an Echo Dot (gen 1). I have a Vera 3 that has been great for a couple years. I hadn't updated firmware in a while so before trying the Alexa integration I tried to install the latest firmware, which at that time was the first post-Alexa beta version which I believe is still current: 1.7.902. There wasn't enough disk space for the firmware but eventually Customer Service had me 1) backup Z-Wave network, 2) backup controller, 3) reset to factory default, 4) install 1.7.902, then 5) restore backup along with Z-Wave network. That actually worked without a hitch. So, on to the fun stuff. I performed a reset on the Echo Dot and performed initial config, including adding it to my WiFi and Amazon account. I enrolled in the Beta program and followed the steps outlined in the published documentation. Everything worked fine. I selected all devices in the Vera portal and they were discovered just fine.

The following two hours were a lot of fun. I was able to control all lights individually and once I created an Alexa group called "Everything" that included all lights I could turn off all lights by saying "Alexa, turn off Everything". Now comes that bad part. I had a Web Power Switch that had stopped working a few firmwares ago and I thought maybe it would work now so I added it back to the Vera. I ran Alexa discovery again but didn't see any of the WPS devices (each outlet can be named) however at that point I had two of all the previous devices. A previous poster had the same issue with one being tagged as "unkown". I wasn't sure forgetting one or the other would work so I used the "forget all devices and groups" option. That was about 10 days ago. Ever since then I have been unable to discover anything.

Here's a synopsis of my efforts.

- Tried to disable skill/ enable skill then discover.
- disable skill, enable but only check one, two , three, all , none devices then discover
   (have tried this one many, many times with and without Vera reboot)
- created dummy Amazon account and done it all over
- created dummy Beta user account and repeated all steps
- got a new Echo Dot (gen 2) and started from scratch five days ago
- worked with customer service via email to try so many different combinations that I have honestly lost track.
- yesterday installed the Amazon Alexa Helper per instructions from Customer Service, then retried all the above steps

Not once since that first "Forget all devices and groups" has discovery found anything at all. Nothing has changed on my LAN, WiFi, Firewall, switches, etc. Customer Service was responding via email about once every 24 hours until I started including a lot of Vera folks in the emails. Then for several days I would get emails within about 1/2 hour of trying the latest fix/test. Last night after finishing the steps above I received an email saying my results would all be reported back to Engineering.

One last interesting thing: the CS rep told me that I was the only remaining customer for whom discovery was no longer working. Is this true?

Hi mrpchead

  Had the same experience as you. Discovery no longer works no matter what I do.

Z

YUP, me too, no longer discovering any devices.  I tried forgetting all, disabling and re enabling vera, now I have nothing.

Have you folks tried the help app? Disable skill, install Amazon Alexa Helper app, when you get the "exit" button it has finished. Click Exit button and insure Vera is fully functional. Wait 10 minutes then enable skill and run discovery. Didn't work in my case but CS says it does for most folks.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: guest143315 on December 29, 2016, 05:42:21 pm

1.  You have to say Alexa turn on XXXX (scene name).  BTW, you can't say 'turn off' on a scene.

That didn't work.   "I found several devices matching that name.  Which one did you want?"  I tell it the name of the scene.  "That command doesn't work on _______".
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: nutshellml on December 29, 2016, 05:51:58 pm
Have you folks tried the help app? Disable skill, install Amazon Alexa Helper app, when you get the "exit" button it has finished. Click Exit button and insure Vera is fully functional. Wait 10 minutes then enable skill and run discovery. Didn't work in my case but CS says it does for most folks.

Yea just tried it.  No luck
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: nutshellml on December 29, 2016, 05:55:12 pm
Have you folks tried the help app? Disable skill, install Amazon Alexa Helper app, when you get the "exit" button it has finished. Click Exit button and insure Vera is fully functional. Wait 10 minutes then enable skill and run discovery. Didn't work in my case but CS says it does for most folks.

Yea just tried it.  No luck.

Funny thing is it worked right out of the box.  Now something is screwed up...
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: sely on December 29, 2016, 06:12:41 pm
I didn't follow this conversation all the way back but I found some things that worked for me when I had problems. 
1.  Don't forget the devices in Alexa, just disable the skill then re-enable and re-discover.  I did the forget devices in Alexa once and the only way to get them back is to reset Alexa and start over.  There might be a better way but I couldn't find it.
2.  You must use the email link sent by Vera.  You can't use the back button, you can't save it as a favorite.
3.  You can make small changes in Vera and then re-enable skill through email link, but must do it asap.  Once the Alexa devices display 'offline', you have to disable, re-enable, re-discover.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: nutshellml on December 29, 2016, 06:36:45 pm
Got it to work/discovery again doing what a previous poster suggested... Little quirker and had to do it a few times:
  * Go to the Vera app store and install the Amazon Alexa Helper App.  (It says that you should not install by hand because it is installed by the beta setup link, but I decided to try)
  * The configuration will run for a few minutes until it gives you an option to exit.  Once I hit exit it still showed a note about configuration, but I ignored
  * Go to Settings \ ZWave Settings \ Advanced \ Reload Engine - Wait 5 minutes
  * Go to the beta link again to verify and update all of the devices
  * Go to the Alexa app and re-run device discovery (After doing this a few times, I noticed that sometime it would be 15-20 minutes before this pulled in all of the updates.)
  * At this point, all of my devices showed up with the new names and everything is working expected
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: nutshellml on December 29, 2016, 08:18:48 pm
Still haven't gotten the scenes to work though.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: BOFH on December 29, 2016, 08:59:20 pm
For a while Alexa wouldn't discover my devices but now it's finds them again (and even knows the make/model) but the devices and some of me scenes she found still all state (offline). Anybody have an idea who to bring them online?   
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: tomtcom on December 29, 2016, 09:37:09 pm
For a while Alexa wouldn't discover my devices but now it's finds them again (and even knows the make/model) but the devices and some of me scenes she found still all state (offline). Anybody have an idea who to bring them online?

I only had odd behavior during Christmas when Alexa indicated she was having trouble with skills but now that has passed so it seems odd everyone still has these issues. I wonder if you could either pull the plug on Alexa to reboot it or deactivate/delink from Amazon and redo the installation again.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: sely on December 29, 2016, 09:48:57 pm
Early on that's what I did; reset the Alexa and start over.  It worked.

search Reset Your Echo Dot

Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: Crm1975 on December 29, 2016, 09:54:38 pm
I have never been able to get Vera scenes to import into Alexa, has anyone else got Scenes imported?

Quick tip in case it wasn't mentioned, if you need to disable and re-enable your Vera Beta App, instead of Clicking the "Disable" link from the "Your Smart Home Skills" page, click on the App text or the icon itself,  it will take you to another page where you can "Disable" the App, and then Re-enable again without searching for your email from Vera again.

Another thing I noticed was that after I forget all devices, and disable my Skills, the re-discover finds my Hue bulbs right away but not the Vera devices, but they do show up a few hours later. (I do have a Hue Gen 2 Hub as well, I assume that is related as to why they are found first).


Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: guest143315 on December 30, 2016, 12:41:07 pm
I have never been able to get Vera scenes to import into Alexa, has anyone else got Scenes imported?


My scenes imported but won't trigger when I say, "Alexa, turn on <scene name>". 

Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: bmurph213 on December 30, 2016, 03:44:16 pm
Still was not able to get discovery working as nutshellml posted he was able to do.  Is there anything in the SSH logs that would help identify why discovery is not working?
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: sely on December 30, 2016, 05:37:15 pm
I have never been able to get Vera scenes to import into Alexa, has anyone else got Scenes imported?


My scenes imported but won't trigger when I say, "Alexa, turn on <scene name>".

I have a scene that I use in Alexa that works.  It turns on a virtual switch, that's all.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: nutshellml on December 30, 2016, 08:03:37 pm
I can't get scenes to work either. 


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Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: sely on December 31, 2016, 10:33:39 am
The scene that I use and works in Alexa is in 'no room'.  Maybe that's why it works.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: guest143315 on January 01, 2017, 11:50:08 am
The scene that I use and works in Alexa is in 'no room'.  Maybe that's why it works.

That's where my non-triggerable scenes are.   
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: sely on January 02, 2017, 12:22:27 am
The scene that I use and works in Alexa is in 'no room'.  Maybe that's why it works.

That's where my non-triggerable scenes are.
I did some more testing on my scenes.  I found a couple that would work even when they were in rooms.  I figured out the scenes that work using the Vera scene run button also work in Alexa.  I tried using the test on a couple scenes:
1.  A Vera scene that was controlled by a light switch.  Clicking on the Vera scene run button it would not run and would not run in Alexa.
2.  A Vera scene controlled by outside temperature.  Clicking on the Vera scene run button it will run and also runs in Alexa.
3.  A Vera scene controlled by a virtual switch.  Clicking on the Vera scene run button it will run and also runs in Alexa.
Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: guest143315 on January 02, 2017, 10:31:38 am
My scenes are all either schedule or manually triggered.   <shrug>
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: hoanfamily on January 02, 2017, 01:08:06 pm
I decided to revert back to Martin's unofficial Echo Vera skill.  I couldn't get the scenes to show up in the beta.  Nor could I get past the need to trigger the room name and the light name to make it work.  I did not feel I should have to go in and rename all my lights when a previous unofficial iteration worked.  It's a good try for an official beta release, but the unofficial version was so much farther down the path.  I do like the fact that we had control of which lights and devices to add via a GUI.  Thank you everyone for taking the time to test, but I spent quite a bit of time to test previously to have to start over again.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: rsmed1 on January 02, 2017, 07:26:51 pm
Same here.  I was using Crush's Hue Bridge, which worked fine.  Decided to try this beta version instead.  Went through steps and the Echo never discovered any of my devices.
Tried multiple times.  Followed nutshellml's instructions.  Nothing works.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: dbemowsk on January 03, 2017, 12:25:37 am
FWIW, I decided to try out the Echo beta skill tonight.  I signed up, enabled the skill and within minutes I had Alexa controlling devices like lights and my thermostat.  The only thing I can do with my thermostat right now is set the temperature.  I wish that I could have it announce the temperature.  For that matter, I have temp sensors all around my house, I wish I could request the temp in a certain room.  Overall though, I am satisfied with the control that I have.  I have only owned my Vera controller for a couple weeks now, so I am still working on adding devices, so I may still run into issues.  If I do I will post them here.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: 3rdStng on January 03, 2017, 02:36:06 am
Like many others have my devices and modes listed within the Alexa app, but no scenes.

During the migration from Wink to Vera, I had all my devices duplicated within Alexa. If I told it to Forget a device, it would not remove it, so I hit the Forget Everything link. I then lost all my Vera devices for a few days. Finally over a few days of trying to discover then devices, and following through the Enabling of the skill from a different machine, they reappeared.

Now waiting on my scenes. Or a simple way to get a virtual switch to appear as a binary switch. I'm afraid to just change the device XML or json variables.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: forbri4 on January 03, 2017, 05:14:08 pm
Will the Echo Vera skill work with UI5?
Thanks!
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: guest143315 on January 03, 2017, 07:28:50 pm
No.  It was introduced in beta form in the latest UI7 version.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: ikatkov on January 03, 2017, 07:49:01 pm
I understand that old way via lambda@AWS is no longer supported by the authors, but it indeed works and works from the first try. I'm posting it here to remind frustrated Vera users about an alternative option. After a few hours of failed attempts with beta pluging, I gave up and followed instructions here https://github.com/mmillmor/AmazonEcho-to-Vera
Worked.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: tomtcom on January 03, 2017, 08:13:06 pm
Out of curiosity for those who used the bridge and then tried the Vera beta for Echo, did you completely dis-associate your bridge and Echo and start from scratch when using the beta?

I only ask because we know that a z-wave device cannot associate to two controllers as an example so I'm just drawing parallels from there. I wonder if Amazon's system think you are trying to essentially add a second device to your system with all the same properties as the original device and perhaps that is the reason discovery fails among other issues reported here.

Just a thought..
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: johnnboy on January 03, 2017, 08:47:54 pm
One last interesting thing: the CS rep told me that I was the only remaining customer for whom discovery was no longer working. Is this true?

You're certainly not the only one remaining with device discovery issues. I've been trying to get my dot to discover for over a week now. Just found out about the helper app from this thread and installed it but still no devices. I've traded a couple of emails with support & Marc but we haven't figured it out yet.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: 3rdStng on January 03, 2017, 09:21:05 pm
You're certainly not the only one remaining with device discovery issues. I've been trying to get my dot to discover for over a week now. Just found out about the helper app from this thread and installed it but still no devices. I've traded a couple of emails with support & Marc but we haven't figured it out yet.
I submitted a claim against the lack of discovery as well. What I was told was to reboot my controller and try again. Of course from the time I submitted my ticket to when I heard back the discovery worked. Not sure if I rebooted my controller between then or not though.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: RichardPHarvey on January 04, 2017, 09:15:24 am
I'm very surprised that Vera is not participating in this and the other Echo skill threads.  This integration has got to be a big deal for them yet they seem to be very hands off.  I for one have given up on it until it's no longer BETA and actually works.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: nutshellml on January 04, 2017, 09:26:17 am
I'm very surprised that Vera is not participating in this and the other Echo skill threads.  This integration has got to be a big deal for them yet they seem to be very hands off.  I for one have given up on it until it's no longer BETA and actually works.
Any idea how homeseer echo integration is going?  I'm on fence about the switch to HS.


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Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: SpecimenB on January 05, 2017, 12:22:01 pm
Out of curiosity for those who used the bridge and then tried the Vera beta for Echo, did you completely disassociate your bridge and Echo and start from scratch when using the beta?

I used the bridge and turned it off when I went beta.

B
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: RichardPHarvey on January 05, 2017, 01:23:40 pm
There already is a HomeSeer skill in the Alexa app, I hear it works well.

I'm very surprised that Vera is not participating in this and the other Echo skill threads.  This integration has got to be a big deal for them yet they seem to be very hands off.  I for one have given up on it until it's no longer BETA and actually works.
Any idea how homeseer echo integration is going?  I'm on fence about the switch to HS.


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Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: hoanfamily on January 05, 2017, 02:03:00 pm
I did both.  I added the Beta, but couldnt get anything to work.  Then disabled everything and readded Beta.  Didn't work initially, but after a day, it started to see only devices, no scenes.  Added back Martin's skill and nothing worked.  Disabled all and readded Martin's skill and everything works like it did before.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: agoodman82 on January 06, 2017, 02:16:32 am
Just purchased an Amazon Echo and signed up for the beta program. However, no matter what I do I can't get Alexa to discover any of my devices ???

I set my Echo up on the same wifi network as my Vera Edge running UI7, I follow the link sent to me via email after signing up for the beta to enable skill, and then choose even just one device to add which I specifically gave a very short name to (such as "Front Light"). After clicking "finish" I get the confirmation "Alexa has been successfully linked with Vera SmartHome". Then I go into my Amazon Alexa app on my iPhone, go to "Smart Home" and click on "Discover Devices". I get the loading screen but then at the end of the 20 - 30 seconds I get... nothing?? The area under "Your Devices" just continues to say "You haven't connected any devices yet". I tried restarting my Amazon Alexa app, restarting my iPhone, restarting my Amazon Echo and restarting my Vera Edge. Still no device discovery.

What am I doing wrong here??
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: Sorin on January 06, 2017, 06:11:26 am
Hi there,

Not sure if this was already mentioned in the thread but the issue with no devices showing up may be, due to the names of the devices, that do not fit Amazon?s name structure.

If one is out of the accepted structure, all other will be rejected.

Avoid special characters and names longer than 20 characters, also, please don?t use abbreviations. Alexa needs to be able to understand the description.

Hope this info helps.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Zoro on January 06, 2017, 07:48:32 am
Is anyone (in the US) still having issues getting this working?  I followed all of the steps, but Alexa does not find any devices from Vera.  I have enabled/disable/re-enabled the Vera skill multiple times.  I have tried lots of devices all of the way down to one device.  I am not sure what my issue is.

Hi--

  Same issue here also.

Z
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: JimWingard on January 06, 2017, 11:53:01 am
I had to put most of my switches in a room called "THE" in order to get light switches to work without having to say things like Alexa turn on kitchen kitchen chandliers on, or alexa turn on piano piano room chandlier on. Had same problem with can lights in all rooms. Alexa does not allow instances of more than one device called the same name even if they are in different rooms. I have multiple rooms with chandliers, cans, and wall sconces. As I said I had to group all into a room called "The"! The problem with this is that there is a charcter length restriction in the naming of devices. Can't add "Formal Dining Room Chandlier" to device name. Had to name room "Formal Dining" and device "room Chandlier" to get past charcter limit. I don't know how much trouble it would be to increase the charcter limit on device names, but it would solve most of these issuses!
I have added a plugin switch, but cannot get it to work in Alexa. It sees the switch but list's it as  "Bad code entered". I have tried several name  changes and excluded and included several times with no luck. I have 25 in-wall light switches and dimmers. They are all working with Alexa. The plugin switch is using the same xml and json files as my other accepted switches? It is a GE/Jasco 12719.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: a-lurker on January 06, 2017, 05:55:15 pm
Quote
If one is out of the accepted structure, all other will be rejected.

Avoid special characters and names longer than 20 characters, also, please don?t use abbreviations. Alexa needs to be able to understand the description.

Totally untenable arrangement:

Special characters? How parochial.

Does not fit structure? To discard the lot with no explanation is highly unsatisfactory. Use a default error message - eg "This label is to complicated for me to say". How many people have being trying to work out why their devices cannot be found, for want of a single error message? It's a sure way to loose buyers' interest in a product very quickly.

Twenty characters? I have at least sixty controllable lights. With a room name such as "Bedroom downstairs" that's 18 characters straight up. I would need at least sixty characters; may be more.

Do I want to voice control all my lights, etc? No. Do I want to rename all my rooms and lights, etc to suit Alexa? No.

Possible solutions:
Improve ability to exclude switches/scenes: already possible to exclude but ahighly inconvenient process at present.

You should be able to associate a "Friendly command name/phrase" with each controllable item, that is directly associated with the device/scene ID. A room name only needs to be included in the phrase if the user so wishes. No friendly name entered, then the device/scene is automatically excluded. "Friendly name/phrase" could just be an attribute of the device/scene. In the UI web page it could be optionally displayed in preference to any more technical name that may be in use by the user.

Some users have multiple Echos, dots, etc. You should be able to use these based on context. eg if I say "Lights on" where the bedroom Dot is located, then turn on the bedroom light. Other Dots elsewhere would turn on a different light for the same phrase. Assuming two Dots hear the same phrase. Loudest command wins. The devices have directional mics and surely know how loud something is. Much more complex code (probably by Amazon) but possible.

The Beta code has along way to go.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: BOFH on January 06, 2017, 06:50:52 pm
@John M: My problem is not so much the not finding. It does find my devices and even identified the make and model of some. But all (including the found scenes and housemodes) show (offline) to the right of the device/scene. Any idea what may be causing that behaviour?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: asdf1nit on January 07, 2017, 12:10:53 am
Works for me albeit with several issues. My thermostat always gets set 2 degrees lower than alexa says. I can't change the mode of my thermostat (heat or cool). Installed apps that create devices( virtual switches, motion sensors, ping sensors, tv's) don't show up so the only way to control them at the moment is scenes, which don't work unless you create a group and add it to that.

With all that said this is beta and I'm glad there finally working on this. I hope every one will provide feedback to the alexa team working on this(  alexa_beta@getvera.com ) as well as keep this thread to the point and helpful to others.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: SpartyBucks on January 07, 2017, 12:36:02 pm
A few days ago I finally got devices discovered after trying all of the suggests here for a couple of weeks.  I don't have a definitive process but I believe the rebooting of the controller made the final difference.  I don't know if the reboot made a difference after disabling the skill, uninstalling the helper app, after reenabling the skill or after after manually reinstalling the help app.  I'm unsure because I didn't see immediate resolution.  I just gave up one day and the next day it just worked.

Here's some additional notes about my experience that might be helpful to others in some way:

I have 3 controllers under my account.  Two veralites and a new veraplus.  One veralite was my primary system that was running fine with Martin's alexa skill.  Once I saw the vera beta program I attempted to cut over with no success.  I wasn't sure what the problem was back then.  But one interesting thing is that I also couldn't get Martin's skill back up and running.  Either upgrading to the latest firmware or installing the vera beta skill hosed it up.

But from running the top and df commands I knew I was already maxing out the resources on my veralite so I just bit the bullet and ordered a Vera Plus to rule out any resource limitation.  But I had the same problem getting the beta skill  to run with the Vera Plus.

Another interesting thing is my second veralite.  It is actually a controller I have installed at my MIL's house exclusively to just vera alert me when a single flood sensor is triggered.  I have not upgraded the firmware for months or installed the alexa help app on this controller.  I never even rebooted or viewed the gui of that controller over the past 2 months.  But when I finally saw devices discovered on Alexa it included scenes from all three of my controllers.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: 3rdStng on January 07, 2017, 06:50:03 pm
I understand the Echo integration is beta, but I got tired of remember which lights did and didn't need the name of the room in front. It was odd that some worked without the name, but others had to have it for Alexa to even know what I was asking.

So....  I stood up a tiny linux VM and loaded BWS's HA Bridge. In less than 30 minutes I had all my devices in there and "discovered" by Alexa. And now I can bring my scenes in too. Something that never worked with Vera's skill.

I hope Vera fixes everything soon. Until then, I'm enjoying calling my lights what they are, and having Alexa respond back "OK" within a second of me asking. 


EDIT: Spelling
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: RichardPHarvey on January 08, 2017, 12:59:21 pm
I'm will you 100% on this, however I don't currently have the ability to host the HA bridge, wish I did.  I'm very frustrated with MiOS on this as this use is the main reason I even decided to get the Echo.  Worse yet (IMHO) is their complete lack of interaction with user posting on their own forum about the issues.  Sure it's Beta but it's never going to make it to production unless they help users figure out how to fix these bugs.

This all now has me thinking that HomeSeer may be my longer term HA solution after all.


I understand the Echo integration is beta, bit I got tired of remember which lights did and didn't need the name of the room in front. It was odd that some worked without the name, but others had to have it for Alexa to even know what I was asking.

So....  I stood up a tiny linux VM and loaded BWS's HA Bridge. In less than 30 minutes I had all my devices in there and "discovered" by Alexa. And now I can bring my scenes in too. Something that never worked with Vera's skill.

I hope Vera fixes everything soon. Until then, I'm enjoying calling my lights what they are, and having Alexa respond back "OK" within a second of me asking.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: CelticWebs on January 08, 2017, 01:14:23 pm
Any updates on UK compatibility yet?


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Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: SpartyBucks on January 08, 2017, 01:59:26 pm
After migrating from veralite to vera plus I never got around to creating rooms and assigning each device to a room.  This turns out to be an inadvertent work-around to the alexa double word command problem.

I never used actual room names anyway.  I named my rooms as device categories.  I'm getting by just using the device view by TYPE sort in the web gui and Categories in AutHomationHD.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Sorin on January 08, 2017, 03:17:35 pm
Hello guys,

We are thankful to the community and greatly appreciate every person that gave a constructive feedback in this thread, over the phone, email or any other channel, and wanted to re-assure that our devs are in fact aware of everything posted here.

We do keep direct contact with some of our customers that have reported feedback or bugs.

However this is a BETA after all and sorting problems temporary and locally for certain customers, brings no one, any benefits, giving the current state of integration. Many specs have been re-written from scratch since initial release and any "manual fixes" will be lost anyway.

To answer some of the burning questions in the thread.

UK is still not working but will be working at some point, alongside a few other regions outside of US. We have reports from users that simply changing the language(not location) of Alexa, to US - not confirmed.

Scenes and House Modes invocation works with "turn on/off <scene name>/<house mode>" . (see below: Naming policy)

Changing thermostat temperature works fine, modes change do not work yet, but will work at some point.

Command invocation does not require mentioning the room. Well actually Alexa also asks for room for the first 10-20 minutes after discovery or devices, or after Alexa or Vera reboots, but normal command invocation should resume after 30 minutes max.

There is an Amazon API requirement for a limit of 300 devices to be discovered.

Naming:
As you may have discovered, naming policy is very aggressive (API requirement mostly) and will cause issues in devices discovery. If one is one of the devices or rooms is out of the accepted structure, all other will be rejected.
Avoid special characters and names longer than 20 characters, also, please don?t use abbreviations and special characters. Alexa needs to be able to understand the description. - I recommend have this setup prepared before adding skill and doing the discovery.

As a recommendation, do not use the name of the room, in the the name of device as well. For example if the Room is called Living room, avoid having a device called "Living room dimmer"

A final thought

This is not anywhere near final and Alexa integration is in full swing and many things that currently seem spotty, are already resolved, and a plethora of new abilities will be added. See our Demo Tiny Smart Home at CES 2017 https://goo.gl/DFyev9 and feedback is golden for us, and well appreciated.

Thank for your feedback, patience and understanding. Keep it coming.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: tomtcom on January 08, 2017, 04:02:48 pm
My favorite part of the video is the guy going into the room and manually hitting the switch for the light!! LOL, no motion detection? They must have forgotten that one!

Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Sorin on January 08, 2017, 04:07:13 pm
@tomtcom The point of the demo is of course Alexa control, using Intel hardware and MiOS software.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: tomtcom on January 08, 2017, 04:21:22 pm
@tomtcom The point of the demo is of course Alexa control, using Intel hardware and MiOS software.

You are right, it was still funny though.

But in my opinion, other than a mention of scenes it certainly didn't highlight MiOS. And on this forum MiOS is hardly ever mentioned, I would sooner call it Vera software than MiOS.

I failed to really see what was spectacular about it. Many on this forum have been doing a wide variety of the things in this movie for quite some time. I guess what I would have rather seen is what I can't do with Vera (MiOS?) equipment already and some ingenuity (PLEG, Tasker, AutoVera, IFTTT, Wink Bridge Plugin to name a few).
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: a-lurker on January 08, 2017, 04:38:47 pm
@ John M

Thanks for the feedback and I sincerely hopes this works out. I understand that you may not be able to resolve issues as you would like, due to the Alexa API.

I have a Vera for testing and a Vera running the house. The test Vera has very minimal stuff set up on it and Alexa discovers 20 skills. Alexa has never discovered anything on the Vera that runs the house. I estimate it should discover between 120 and 150 devices/scenes; perhaps more. I'm guessing discovery fails due to some naming problem amongst these devices/scenes. However there is not one single error message generated that will help me fix any naming issues.

For reference these are Vera 3s, not located in the USA, DE or UK. The UK voice is selected.

I have no need for all the available skills and yes these can be already be disabled. However I would prefer an opt in, rather than an opt out approach. Likewise I would prefer that the "opt in" is a device/scene attribute, rather having to go through a list of up to 150 skills.

Friendly command names/phrases for Alexa are an absolute must. It's inappropriate to rename everything to suit Alexa. The presence of friendly command names/phrases, as part of the devices attributes, could possibly act as the "opt in" flag.

Twenty characters are not enough. I note that Alexa has created one skill for me with 28 characters in it.

So keep up the good work. In the interim I will have to set up skills on my "test Vera" to send commands to the Vera actually running the house.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Sorin on January 08, 2017, 05:51:26 pm
@a-lurker

Naming policy is really critical and it's causing most the "no-no's" in device detection.At least in the current phase of integration level, live on BETA. Things will greatly improve with the upcoming iterations. 

If you are checking Luaupnp logs you won't be able to find anything about the process, as this is done cloud 2 cloud, making things harder even for us CC to look this up.

The most easy and natural commands is our intention too and we try as much as possible to make things easier, giving the API limitations or specifics we get from Amazon. Minimum customer hassle and one shot setup is paragon for this integration and will be very much possible as we are closely working with Amazon on this. But as every good thing, it requires time.

Thank you as well.

Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: BOFH on January 08, 2017, 07:09:12 pm
@John M: Any idea why the skill detects my devices, house modes and a number of scenes but lists them as (offline) next to the device name? It even knows the make and model of some of my zwave devices. But all of the, including scenes and house modes are listed as (offline). Is this something you've seen before and can suggest a cause/resolution for?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Sorin on January 08, 2017, 08:37:02 pm
@BOFH

I will have to check this with Devs during the week time.

Have you tried reloading Luup engine, give it a few minutes(15-20), then go to the Alexa dashboard, forget ALL, and do the discovery again ? then give it another 15-20

I know for sure that while in this state, devices will not get connected automatically, without repeating the re-discovery process Something went wrong in cloud, and Amazon cloud thinks these devices are offline. Vera might have reloaded engine while Alexa was doing the discovery.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: BOFH on January 08, 2017, 11:04:39 pm
I just followed your above guidelines. Not the outcome I had hoped for. Now all it finds are the 4 devices hooked up to my HUE hub. It does not seem to see any of my Vera connected devices at all *scratching head*

Granted, I have multiple Vera's on my account (Vera 3, Edge and Plus) but all are on the latest firmware so that should not be a real issue.  As far as names is concerned, none of the device names is longer than 20 characters. However, adding the room name to that makes a number of them go past that magic number. I hate to tinker with the room names but I guess 'Master bedroom' can be replaced with 'Master' and same for some of the others. . I'll look into that tomorrow. 

I guess that's why it's called a beta.  8)
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: SpartyBucks on January 09, 2017, 12:18:34 pm
I had devices also displayed as offline plus I had added more z-wave devices that I wanted to add to alexa control so I followed the same steps and got the same result as BOFH, I am unable to discover any devices.  I think additional steps or more waiting times that may sometimes be necessary to properly reset everything. 
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: johnnboy on January 09, 2017, 12:59:06 pm
You're certainly not the only one remaining with device discovery issues. I've been trying to get my dot to discover for over a week now. Just found out about the helper app from this thread and installed it but still no devices. I've traded a couple of emails with support & Marc but we haven't figured it out yet.

Finally got it to discover.  I had some scene names that were longer than 20 characters and had special chars "/".  I had fixed the device names but not the scenes so once I made those changes it discovered devices properly.

Initially no scenes were discovered, but after unchecking all boxes on the enable skill page as suggested in this thread, the scenes then showed up (and the devices from the previous discover were also still there).

When renaming scenes I did run into the issue of the LUA code getting corrupted but I assume that is a separate issue.

~John
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: stashton1990 on January 11, 2017, 01:29:33 pm
I was wondering if this is working in the UK yet or if anyone has an ETA on it.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: denix on January 11, 2017, 09:14:55 pm
Is the 20 characters limit for device names only or combined room+device?
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: denix on January 11, 2017, 09:28:10 pm
Well, still doesn't seem to work - Room "Office" and a single device "Charger" doesn't get discovered by Alexa... What else?
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: melberg65 on January 11, 2017, 10:24:48 pm
I have a Vera Plus

of all of the devices that my hub is supporting, I know that Alexa currently only supports Lights and the Thermostat (not the Locks or scenes)

I was able to get the integration to work, I added the Vera Skill to my Alexa Dot and it discovered the devices I was expecting.

It also discovered many others:  PIN codes, my SCENE, other misc stuff. Hopefully this is a good sign that I can expect to be able to tell Alexa to execute a Scene down the road... but in the meantime, for the beta,  I FORGOT all of those things and just kept the two devices I wanted to test:  one Linear ZWave Light / Dimmer switch (paired with a Linear Accessory Switch for a 3 way) and my ZWave Honeywell Thermostat.

The lights are working great, including the dimming function. 

However, the Thermostat hasn't worked yet. I said "Alexa, set Honeywell to 72"  and it did.  I can see 72 in the Vera Dashboard, but on the Honeywell itself, there is no change (it was set to 78 manually prior to the test). I also tried "Alexa, set Honeywell to Cool at 72" but it didn't understand the specification of COOL.

I then went to the Thermostat and turned it down manually to 72.  waited a while then turned it up to 75.
but again, no update in the Vera Dashboard.

I am able to change the thermostat from the Vera Dashboard on my Laptop (win10) as well as from my Mobile App (Android) and it works fine and the other client is also correctly updated.

just seems like when Vera gets the command from Dot, it updates itself but doesn't forward the message on to the Honeywell.
it also seems like the Vera gets updates from the manual thermostat tweakings rather slowly.

I also emailed this info to the beta feedback email address.

Thanks for continued work in this area.
Karin
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: JimWingard on January 12, 2017, 12:54:40 pm
The 20 characters limit is for device names only. If you type more than that, they are not shown in the window.

As for the thermostat, I don't have one. You might look under advanced settings to see if you can increase polling rate? It might slow down your system though? There might be a way to enforce handshaking on the thermostat for manual changes?

I don't have any scenes, yet, so I cannot talk to those. All but one of my 28 devices  (switches and dimmers)  except the plugin switch are controllable via alexa dot. I have forgotten all several times in attempt to get the switcg to work. It is seen by says "bad code" in the name on alexa.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: drcrysler on January 12, 2017, 01:52:12 pm
I have experienced the same problems getting Alexa to discover devices (none found)  as many of the UK and US participants of the forum.

here is the reply I got from vera support
You are totally right, since this feature is still in beta phasem we are experiencing some issues regaridin discoverable devices and this is happening with a lot of customers and we have found two possible causes so far. Apparently, there is something wrong with Alexa, when the Vera controller has more than 50 devices connected. After checking your controller information, I see that you have a lot of devices, so this is the cause. We are already working with Amazon to solve this issue as soon as possible, and hopefully this is solved very soon.
Regards,

Has anyone had any success with internal network problems involvind UPNP or other home network port forwarding problems.

The other question is if I only select a light switch called lightswitch does it matter what the names and rooms of my other devices are.

The lack of discovery appears to be a cloud problem between Alexa and Micasaverde. Is there possibility for a home network problem such as port forwarding or UPNP or SSD?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: nutshellml on January 13, 2017, 10:04:24 am
I setup my Dot fine and it's working great.  Originally had 2-3 scenes that work fine, turn on goodnight, turn on kitchen on, etc.  I recently added some new scenes to Vera but Alexa is not discovering them.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: denix on January 13, 2017, 12:00:53 pm
Thanks, drcrysler!

That would definitely explain my problem - even though I'm trying to add 1 device to Alexa, I have a large total number of devices... Will wait for this to be fixed soon.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: JimWingard on January 13, 2017, 01:03:17 pm
I appears as though Alexa sees both the room and device, but will not let you have two devices with the same name no matter which room they are in. It responds with "I see multiple devices with same name, which do you want?"I had a piano room "chandelier" , a dining room "chandelier" and a main hall "chandelier". I had to change to piano "room chandelier" and main "hall chandelier" to solve the problem. Same with wall sconces. But in doing these fixes I ran into the 20 character device name limitation. I then had to get very creative then mixing room names and device names because I have a lot of devices.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: drcrysler on January 13, 2017, 04:34:06 pm
Was the renaming necessary to get any devices recognized  or to make the recognized devices respond better.

Specifically. Did you get no devices discovered at first. Then you went and renamed your devices in Vera, saved the new names and then reloaded the Alexa skill and pressed discover devices and there they were devices were found.  I have trouble understanding how this can occur. I get the impression from the forum is that there are 2  problems.  1 some people cannot have any devices discovered and 2 devices are discovered but their names cause confusion with alexa when you try to voice control the discovered devices

Please reply especially if you had no devices discovered and then they were found after you changed the names.

thanks
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: JimWingard on January 14, 2017, 12:37:48 pm
I had no trouble with alexa finding all my devices! The problem was duplicate device names in different rooms (cans, chandeliers and wall sconces). I have cans in all rooms, wall sconces in 3 rooms, and chandeliers in 5 rooms and the front porch. I had to forget all, rename and have Alexa search again. It always finds all devices without having to reload the skill. Alexa does not differentiate devices in rooms? You can have rooms "Dining room and Master bedroom" with "cans" in both rooms. Alexa cannot determine which cans you want on, even though say "Master bedroom cans" Alexa responds with "I have multiple devices with that name! Which do you want?" You reply master bedroom cans! and Alexa still is confused! I got around this by having a room called "The". It brought to light the 20 character device name problem.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: pjgolian on January 15, 2017, 11:52:23 am
I received the confirmation email with the link to enable the skill.  I followed the link, checked off the devices and the skill is now linked.  However, no devices are discovered.

The only firmware that Vera prompted me to download is version 1.7.902 which I installed.  I wondering if the issue is I need the beta version and this looks to be an official release.

If correct, how can I download the correct beta version?  I don't see a link anywhere.  I'm running a Vera 3.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: sely on January 15, 2017, 01:03:25 pm
That is the same version I used and it did work.

listed in new features:

http://support.getvera.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2673588-ui7-%E2%96%BE-version-7-0-19-1-7-902-1-7-2406-1-7-2414-%E2%96%BE-december-12-2016

Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: pjgolian on January 15, 2017, 02:40:02 pm
Thanks for confirming the firmware version is ok.

I did go through my device and scene names to make sure they did not contain any special chars and are less than 20 chars in length.  Still no devices are being discovered by Alexa.

When you first enable the skill and are presented with the list of Vera devices to enable (the checkboxes), my page only lists my devices and no scenes.  Is that the correct behavior?  Shouldn't scenes also show up?  If they are than I wonder if that is part of the issue with Alexa not discovering.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: JimWingard on January 15, 2017, 02:41:46 pm
I finally found out what was causing my error " bad code" in Alexa and why I could not get my plug-in switch to work. Alexa was seeing the switch name, but I was missing it in the list. The text is very small on my Ipad. Alexa would discover the device, but was naming it what I had originally called the device before I excluded and re-included it several times. Alexa would recognize the old name and say OK to turning it "on", but nothing happens? I finally decided to risk disabling the skill! I did this even though I could not get the old Beta link from vera e-mail to work. After doing this, I found that the Skill was not in the official list of skills. After reading more posts, I found that the Skill is still loaded into "your" skill list accessed by going to "Your Skills" on the upper left corner on the Alexa skills page. There you can enable the Vera skill. Doing this allowed me to find the root of my error. When you enable the skill, it goes to your Vera account and finds all of your devices(and I suspect scenes if you have them), There will be a check box to select which devices you want Alexa to control.  Here is where I found my problem. It seems Alexa will only use these devices and names even if you add more devices or change their names on your Vera unit. All my selected devices were found on the first try after re-enabled! So here are my conclusions from several weeks of fighting this setup.
1. You must disable and re-enable Alexa's Vera skill every time you add a device/scene or change it's name.
2. You must use correct English grammar in naming things. Alexa is a speech to text converter and your names need to be proper words (use "one" instead of "1") no special characters!
3. Be sure that you don't select a device that is not supported yet! (I selected my Fortez water shut off and got the bad code error)
4. Alexa does not like devices with the same name even if they are in different rooms. If you have "can" lights in multiple rooms, try "cans" in one room and "recessed" in another. You can still bump up against the 20 character limit though.
5. You must speak distinctly (no slurring of words) and don't speak to fast. You will just have to repeat yourself. Alexa is going to "make" Americans speak better grammar!
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: sely on January 15, 2017, 06:34:41 pm
For me the scenes never displayed on the checkbox page but all scenes displayed in Alexa after discovery.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: jbfoster on January 16, 2017, 12:38:03 am
Hello guys,

We are thankful to the community and greatly appreciate every person that gave a constructive feedback in this thread, over the phone, email or any other channel, and wanted to re-assure that our devs are in fact aware of everything posted here.

We do keep direct contact with some of our customers that have reported feedback or bugs.

However this is a BETA after all and sorting problems temporary and locally for certain customers, brings no one, any benefits, giving the current state of integration. Many specs have been re-written from scratch since initial release and any "manual fixes" will be lost anyway.

To answer some of the burning questions in the thread.

UK is still not working but will be working at some point, alongside a few other regions outside of US. We have reports from users that simply changing the language(not location) of Alexa, to US - not confirmed.

Scenes and House Modes invocation works with "turn on/off <scene name>/<house mode>" . (see below: Naming policy)

Changing thermostat temperature works fine, modes change do not work yet, but will work at some point.

Command invocation does not require mentioning the room. Well actually Alexa also asks for room for the first 10-20 minutes after discovery or devices, or after Alexa or Vera reboots, but normal command invocation should resume after 30 minutes max.

There is an Amazon API requirement for a limit of 300 devices to be discovered.

Naming:
As you may have discovered, naming policy is very aggressive (API requirement mostly) and will cause issues in devices discovery. If one is one of the devices or rooms is out of the accepted structure, all other will be rejected.
Avoid special characters and names longer than 20 characters, also, please don?t use abbreviations and special characters. Alexa needs to be able to understand the description. - I recommend have this setup prepared before adding skill and doing the discovery.

As a recommendation, do not use the name of the room, in the the name of device as well. For example if the Room is called Living room, avoid having a device called "Living room dimmer"

A final thought

This is not anywhere near final and Alexa integration is in full swing and many things that currently seem spotty, are already resolved, and a plethora of new abilities will be added. See our Demo Tiny Smart Home at CES 2017 https://goo.gl/DFyev9 and feedback is golden for us, and well appreciated.

Thank for your feedback, patience and understanding. Keep it coming.

I have had my Echo setup for several weeks and I still have to say the Room name and Device name for it to work for all except my Thermostat.

Jim
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: MCVHokie on January 16, 2017, 09:13:34 pm
Add me to the list of folks that cannot get device discovery to work. I have gone through and renamed every device, room, and scene so that everything is 20 characters or less and only includes letters or numbers. There are no abbreviations, only whole words. I have rebooted VeraPlus and my echo dot multiple times, disabled and re enabled the skill multiple times, installed, uninstalled and reinstalled the Alexa helper app and just about every combination of all of those items imaginable and still Alexa will not discover any devices.

I really would love to try this but I cannot find any way to get these two things to talk. So from a beta perspective, this is majorly flawed. The 20 character limit itself is a terrible restriction but the install and discovery process has to be seamless and it is nowhere close to that.

I understand that discovery is "cloud to cloud" but my suggestion would be for Vera to come up with a script to run prior to the install to check for known errors in the meantime. If there is any way for someone from Vera to help me troubleshoot my install, I'd greatly appreciate it.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: JimWingard on January 17, 2017, 10:17:03 pm
When you enable the skill, do you get the Vera page that let's you select devices? If not, it would seem you are not linked to your vera unit. If you do just select one and see it it will discover! Anytime you disable and re-enable the skill that selection screen should appear. If you have a Nest thermostat, it can cause problems if it is linked to the Vera.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: MCVHokie on January 17, 2017, 11:24:11 pm
Yes, I can get to that screen. I've selected one device and multiple devices and I get confirmation that the accounts are linked. The Vera skill shows up in Alexa, but when you run discovery, Alexa cannot find anything. I'm not sure where scenes come into the picture, but I've never seen anything regarding them through the process. No Nest in my setup. Mostly JASCO modules and switches and two Trane thermostats.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: Ron N on January 18, 2017, 03:51:43 am
I use the water shut off valve and Alexea Dot found it, accepted it and runs it good.
Garage Main Water Valve (Offline)
Garage Main Water Valve (Fortrezz WV-01)

I renamed the valve as you can see and it runs great both with Alexea and the control in the scene. This expensive little toy saved me thousands of dollars the first 3 months in, after my water heater blew up and would have caused a flood in my warehouse. Shut the water off with less than a teaspoon of water leaking.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: Ron N on January 18, 2017, 03:54:38 am
Anyone else seeing this in their Alexea divice list...
"Any Device (Offline)"
I get this (off line) tag on all my devices after the first use of the devices going into the list. They all work and run but it repeats this through out the list!
Any Thoughts?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mvader on January 18, 2017, 09:43:58 am
Yes, I can get to that screen. I've selected one device and multiple devices and I get confirmation that the accounts are linked. The Vera skill shows up in Alexa, but when you run discovery, Alexa cannot find anything. I'm not sure where scenes come into the picture, but I've never seen anything regarding them through the process. No Nest in my setup. Mostly JASCO modules and switches and two Trane thermostats.

even when you only select one device (like a light switch) all your scenes will come over no matter what.
i suspect you have a naming issue with one of your scenes and/or devices.
short of the UK problem every issue I've read about has been name related.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: JimWingard on January 18, 2017, 12:30:06 pm
You might post a list of your device and scene names so that others could see if they can help. Include room name and device name.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: JimWingard on January 18, 2017, 12:43:34 pm
Did you list a model number on the advanced page for each device you have. In vera, go to devices, select device, go to advanced, verify a model number is listed. If not this may be where the "offline" listing is coming from. See above post for water valve.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: MCVHokie on January 18, 2017, 01:33:52 pm
Thanks for that suggestion - I actually have been working on just that this morning!  Here goes - appreciate any help.

DEVICES
 
 
Basement
Basement Camera
Basement Deadbolt
Basement Door
Basement Humidity
Basement Flood
Basement Lights
Basement Motion
Basement Repeater
Basement Temperature
Sump Pump
 
Clara Bedroom
Clara Light Sensor
Clara Motion Sensor
Clara Nightlight
Clara Temperature
 
Dining Room
Dining Chandalier
 
Downstairs Bath
Down Bath Light
 
Foyer
Foyer Camera
Foyer Keypad
Foyer LED
Foyer Light Sensor
Foyer Motion Sensor
Foyer Temperature
 
Front Porch
Front Door Deadbolt
Front Door Sensor
Porch Can Lights
 
Garage
Garage Deadbolt
 
Kitchen
Back Porch Light
Kitchen Deadbolt
Kitchen Door Sensor
Kitchen Pendants
Kitchen Window
Sink Pendant
 
Living Room
Center Window
Christmas Tree
Downstairs Thermostat
Left Window
Living Room Left
Living Room Right
MiniMote 1
Right Window
 
Master Bathroom
Master Bath Lights
Master Shower
 
Master Bedroom
Eric Nightstand
Katrina Nightstand
 
No Room
House Modes Plugin
 
Office
Alarm Siren
Guest Room Occupied
Guest Side Window
Office Lights
 
Outside
Outdoor Module 1
Outdoor Module 2
 
Scott Bedroom
Scott Heater
Scott LCD Light
Scott Light Sensor
Scott Motion Sensor
Scott Temperature
 
Upstairs Hallway
Upstairs LCD Light
Upstairs Light Sensor
Upstairs Motion Sensor
Upstairs Temperature
Upstairs Thermostat
 
Weather
High Temperature
Humidity
Low Temperature
Temperature
Weather
 
ZWave Program
EZMultiPli Color
Program Logic Event
 
 
SCENES
 
Basement
Flood Sump On
Home Mode Eric Leave
Manual Sump Pump (scene disabled)
Pendants Off Leave
 
Dining Room
 
Downstairs Bath
 
Clara Bedroom

 
Scott Bedroom
Scott Heater Day
Scott High Temp
Heater Off Bedtime
Heater Off Bottle
Heater On Bedtime
Heater On Bottle
 
Foyer
Front Door Entry
Test LED Green
Test LED Red
 
Front Porch
Lights Off Sunrise
Lights on at Sunset
Unlock Front Door
 
Garage
Garage Lights Off
Garage Lights On
 
Kitchen
Back Porch Light Off
Back Porch Light On
Pendants on 530
 
Living Room
Evening Inside
Lights Off
Lights On
Lights On Sunset
 
Master Bathroom
 
Master Bedroom

Master Bed On
 
No Room
Auto Night Mode
Disarm Door PIN
Home Mode Device On
Lock All Doors
Manual Network Heal (scene disabled)
Reboot Vera
 
Office
 
Outside
 
Upstairs Hallway

Night Light Off
Upstairs Night Light
 
Weather
 
ZWave Program
Bed Time Set Points
Down Cool At 815 (scene disabled)
Morning Set Points
Nap Set Points
Night Set Points
Vacation Set Points
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mvader on January 18, 2017, 04:02:04 pm
i know i also had trouble with certain scenes that i had created because the name was part of another skill set.
so for example i had a scene "find my phone" 
so then you say
Alexa, find my phone and you get a "you need to add blah blah blah skill" which sucks. i actually sent a feature request to the devs saying, that if a skill isn't installed, alexa shouldn't tie up keywords for other skills.
but who knows how that will work out.
also i noticed you had
Unlock Front Door and lock all doors.
i know there were/are issues with security related devices/scenes. as they are not allowed.
i had trouble with "alexa, set the alarm" or turn on the alarm.. stuff like that wouldn't work. so i had to get creative with my names.
good luck!
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: Ron N on January 19, 2017, 12:39:47 am
Did you list a model number on the advanced page for each device you have. In vera, go to devices, select device, go to advanced, verify a model number is listed. If not this may be where the "offline" listing is coming from. See above post for water valve.

Ok if I understand your question right? The model numbers are populating when the device is added on it's own. I didn't add them nor carry it over to Alexea. It just did it on it's own.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: paulcusick3 on January 19, 2017, 07:36:34 am
Naming Convention Workaround - Take devices out of room, sync devices, put back in room.

A little tedious, but it worked for me.

1. Removed devices with ROOM DEVICENAME logic from Echo app
2. Edited room for devices I want to include to "Please select a room"
3. Reloaded Engine
4. From e-mail - Selected devices to include (11 lights, 4 thermostats) (no room name included)
5. Discovered Devices from Echo
6. Edited all devices back to room
7. Should have waited to do 6, because I had to rename a few for Alexa to work well. Removed room, renamed, resync only renamed devices, deleted old named devices.

We'll see if still works after a while.  Hopeful that API logic is ID number and not name, but so far it is working.

Paul
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: Zoro on January 19, 2017, 11:53:24 am
Hi--

 Sounds like the alexa functions are working in version 1.7.2414. When I enabled the skill the first time everything seems to work, But that was in November.. I have gotten a blank list for the last 3 months. I wish I knew how to fix it!!!!

Z
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: JimWingard on January 19, 2017, 12:32:29 pm
Ron N.
If you include a device known to Vera, it will populate the Manufacturer and Model fields. I you have to include a generic device that is not in the Vera selection list, then you must populate vendor and model number into the fields on the Advanced page. This info is passed to Alexa during setup.

Zoro
Is Alexa still working for you? You say blank list? I think the device list shown during inital setup is populated by the software reading your devices from your Vera account, These are then passed to the Alexa app/software for it to find on you system. If I am correct in this, the App/Skill may have lost the link to your Vera unit.

To all
I don't think Alexa is using device numbers. If it was, there would be no need to have specific word patterns/phrases for each device. Somewhere in the interface between Alexa and Vera, these voice commands are converted to the device number. I suspect it at the MIOS server just before the command is sent to your device. Alexa would have a list of "your" Vera commands it builds from the data provided during the Skill enable. You tell Alexa to do something, It goes to the cloud, it is converted to text and compared to "your" specific list in your account. If it finds a match, it sends a command to Mios or your Vera unit? I suspect it goes to the Mios server to convert it to a Vera/device command and then on to your Vera unit/device.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: JimWingard on January 19, 2017, 07:52:21 pm
I see you have "deadbolt" in several rooms. It it garage (room) deadbolt (device) or is it garage (room) garage deadbolt (device)? You cannot have devices with the same name in different rooms.

I added 14 devices to my system today. I also corrected some spelling on some even though they were working. Had chandleir instead of chandelier!
 
 I also logged into the Mios site from my unit before going back to Alexa skill. I "forgot all", un-enabled the Vera skill, re-enabled it. It listed all my devices, including the new ones with check marks by all. Alexa then discovered all. I too less than 5 minutes to get back up and running!
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: MCVHokie on January 19, 2017, 09:42:03 pm
In the deadbolt situation you mentioned, mine are all the "Garage" (Room) - "Garage Deadbolt" (Device).  No device has the same name.

Does every device need to have a room? I thought about that today since my Home Mode isn't assigned to a room.  I'll give that a shot too.  Otherwise, I'm stumped.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mikewooduk on January 20, 2017, 08:37:54 am
Hello guys,

We are thankful to the community and greatly appreciate every person that gave a constructive feedback in this thread, over the phone, email or any other channel, and wanted to re-assure that our devs are in fact aware of everything posted here.

We do keep direct contact with some of our customers that have reported feedback or bugs.

However this is a BETA after all and sorting problems temporary and locally for certain customers, brings no one, any benefits, giving the current state of integration. Many specs have been re-written from scratch since initial release and any "manual fixes" will be lost anyway.

To answer some of the burning questions in the thread.

UK is still not working but will be working at some point, alongside a few other regions outside of US. We have reports from users that simply changing the language(not location) of Alexa, to US - not confirmed.

Scenes and House Modes invocation works with "turn on/off <scene name>/<house mode>" . (see below: Naming policy)

Changing thermostat temperature works fine, modes change do not work yet, but will work at some point.

Command invocation does not require mentioning the room. Well actually Alexa also asks for room for the first 10-20 minutes after discovery or devices, or after Alexa or Vera reboots, but normal command invocation should resume after 30 minutes max.

There is an Amazon API requirement for a limit of 300 devices to be discovered.

Naming:
As you may have discovered, naming policy is very aggressive (API requirement mostly) and will cause issues in devices discovery. If one is one of the devices or rooms is out of the accepted structure, all other will be rejected.
Avoid special characters and names longer than 20 characters, also, please don?t use abbreviations and special characters. Alexa needs to be able to understand the description. - I recommend have this setup prepared before adding skill and doing the discovery.

As a recommendation, do not use the name of the room, in the the name of device as well. For example if the Room is called Living room, avoid having a device called "Living room dimmer"

A final thought

This is not anywhere near final and Alexa integration is in full swing and many things that currently seem spotty, are already resolved, and a plethora of new abilities will be added. See our Demo Tiny Smart Home at CES 2017 https://goo.gl/DFyev9 and feedback is golden for us, and well appreciated.

Thank for your feedback, patience and understanding. Keep it coming.

Hi John,

Is there any news about this coming to the UK or even an ETA?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: zcaptain on January 20, 2017, 11:57:03 am
FWIW:  I was having trouble with Alexa finding devices, but got it working. Here's how:
As way of background,  I pretty much tried everything suggested, using the Alexa helper App (which by the way trashes most of the Scenes special Luup code into goblygook), reloading the ZWave engine, waiting 10 minutes, using the Beta link to update the devices and then having Alexa try to discover.  Using just about every iteration of sequences over the course of a few days, Alexa just wouldn't discover my devices.  All my devices and scenes were shorter than 20 characters.  If I made a name change in Vera the Beta link would show it so it seemed to working to that point. 
Here's what I did to get it to work:
Took one scene and deliberately named it longer than 20 characters, thinking maybe the scenes were causing some trouble because I have a lot of them.
Used the Beta link and de-selected every device, and then selected Finish.
Did not do an Alexa Discover.
And from my phone not a web browser ---
Disabled the Skill in Alexa
Enabled the Skill in Alexa, which brings up the Vera discover devices page which is the same as the Beta link page.  I checked all 29 devices, leaving out relays and a few others.  Selected the Finish Button on the Vera page.
Used Alexa to discover , but no joy in finding any devices. 
Used my Alexa app on the iphone and sat around for 15 minutes, just sequentially pressing the Discover link.
Wonder of Wonder, after doing this for a while in the App, the devices showed up.
The phone was not on wifi and was using LTE, and the echo dot was on the same subnet as the vera.
Don't know if any of this was critical to it working, but thought I'd mention all the nuances just in case.
And btw, all the devices now show as "offline", but continue to work with Alexa.
I'm going to leave it alone for a while, and not try to get my scenes transferred yet, and let this develop a bit before trying anything else.



Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: JimWingard on January 20, 2017, 02:26:07 pm
MCVHokie are you logged into the Vera/Mios server when you try to enable the skill? The Mios server must query your Vera unit to get your devices to list in the setup window! Connect/login to Mios, unable the skill, re-enable it and you should see your devices. If you don't see a list of your devices, the problem is likely with your connection to Mios. Alexa looks for the devices in that list during discovery!
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: MCVHokie on January 21, 2017, 09:41:23 am
I am. The setup window pulls my devices just fine. I can select all of my light switches, dimmers, and thermostats to make available to Alexa. It's the next step that doesn't work. When I go to the Alexa app and "discover devices" it doesn't find anything.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: JimWingard on January 21, 2017, 12:12:29 pm
Try to enable only one device in the Mios list to see if Alexa can see it. If not, I would expect there is a problem with one of your scenes? Somewhere I read that Alexa only supports 50 devices? I am not sure where I saw that though! I have 45 zwave devices plus another 20 or so via apps through wifi. I only have 1 scene.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: denix on January 22, 2017, 02:19:02 pm
Does anyone know when Alexa discoverability issue with too many Vera devices is going to be fixed?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mikewooduk on January 22, 2017, 06:15:54 pm
Hello guys,

We are thankful to the community and greatly appreciate every person that gave a constructive feedback in this thread, over the phone, email or any other channel, and wanted to re-assure that our devs are in fact aware of everything posted here.

We do keep direct contact with some of our customers that have reported feedback or bugs.

However this is a BETA after all and sorting problems temporary and locally for certain customers, brings no one, any benefits, giving the current state of integration. Many specs have been re-written from scratch since initial release and any "manual fixes" will be lost anyway.

To answer some of the burning questions in the thread.

UK is still not working but will be working at some point, alongside a few other regions outside of US. We have reports from users that simply changing the language(not location) of Alexa, to US - not confirmed.

Scenes and House Modes invocation works with "turn on/off <scene name>/<house mode>" . (see below: Naming policy)

Changing thermostat temperature works fine, modes change do not work yet, but will work at some point.

Command invocation does not require mentioning the room. Well actually Alexa also asks for room for the first 10-20 minutes after discovery or devices, or after Alexa or Vera reboots, but normal command invocation should resume after 30 minutes max.

There is an Amazon API requirement for a limit of 300 devices to be discovered.

Naming:
As you may have discovered, naming policy is very aggressive (API requirement mostly) and will cause issues in devices discovery. If one is one of the devices or rooms is out of the accepted structure, all other will be rejected.
Avoid special characters and names longer than 20 characters, also, please don?t use abbreviations and special characters. Alexa needs to be able to understand the description. - I recommend have this setup prepared before adding skill and doing the discovery.

As a recommendation, do not use the name of the room, in the the name of device as well. For example if the Room is called Living room, avoid having a device called "Living room dimmer"

A final tough

This is not anywhere near final and Alexa integration is in full swing and many things that currently seem spotty, are already resolved, and a plethora of new abilities will be added. See our Demo Tiny Smart Home at CES 2017 https://goo.gl/DFyev9 and feedback is golden for us, and well appreciated.

Thank for your feedback, patience and understanding. Keep it coming.

Hi John,

Is there any news about this coming to the UK or even an ETA?
Any news of this coming to the uk at al, last email I have from mios support back in Nov 2016 says a couple of weeks.
Maybe I should send them an invoice for my Amazon Echo & Dot


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Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: agoodman82 on January 22, 2017, 08:01:05 pm
Does anyone know when Alexa discoverability issue with too many Vera devices is going to be fixed?

I'd like to know the same thing, Denix. I'm also having that issue as apparently my Vera Edge has too many devices and nothing is discoverable by my Echo. I'd really like to be able to use the voice control like this but I guess I'm stuck because my house is filled with z-wave devices.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: a-lurker on January 22, 2017, 09:59:43 pm
Amazon Dot firmware updated from version 564196920  to  564197320  a couple of days ago. Now has the attention word "Computer" and celebrities (USA) alarms plus "bug" fixes. I'm not in the UK, USA or De.

Skills were still there and Vera "Smart Home skill" enabled but when the detailed Vera page is loaded it says the "Smart Home skill"  is disabled. Voice commands for Vera still work but Alexa says that they failed, when they did not.

Tried to enable the "Smart Home skill" on Vera's detailed page and poof!@   Bug fixes are fixed alright, now the Vera "Smart Home skill" is not even listed under "Get More Smart Home Skills" and now all the Vera voice commands completely fail.

Suspect the firmware upgrade has limited the usage of Vera to just some markets? Most everyone else is still listed however (Hue, SmartThings, WeMo, etc - ie a total  of 64 skills), just not Vera. May be "they" decided the beta testing should be curtailed in some locations.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: nutshellml on January 23, 2017, 12:21:46 am
Wondering if anyone else can never get all of their devices and scenes loaded into Alexa.  Every time I add a new device or scene, I end up having to disable the skill, go back to the Vera Alexa Link, uncheck/check everything then go to discover devices.  But when I do, I never get ALL of my stuff.  I only have about 50 devices/scenes combined.  Last time I got about 40, then I created a new scene, as usually I couldn't get it into Alexa so again disabled everything and after again discover devices, I only got 23.

I did notice way in the beginning, if I did one device/scene at a time, it seemed to load into Alexa, I started upping that to 2,4,6,8 at then it stopped loading anything.

Anyone else experiencing something similar?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: packman on January 23, 2017, 07:53:19 pm
I have an Aeotc Siren that I'd like to be able to turn on/off with Echo but it's not showing up in the list of devices when I click the enable skill link. Any idea why?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: paj418 on January 24, 2017, 07:15:20 am
I'll be adding an Echo at the end of the week and I'm a little confused about naming conventions. I get that I can't have duplicate device names ("Table Lamp" device in two different rooms), but is it correct that I can't have room names as part of device or scene names ("Garage Door" device in the "Garage" room, or "Living Room 50%" scene in the "Living Room")?

If this is correct, what strategies do you employ for naming? What do you call the "Garage Door" device and what room do you put it in ("Car room")?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: JimWingard on January 24, 2017, 12:58:25 pm
I have a main room called "The". That way when you tell Alexa to turn on "the" kitchen light it is correct grammar. I also had to do some creative things with some rooms because I have so many chandeliers and can lights. The 20 character limit on Device names started to be a problem. I had to have a "Master" room and "bedroom cans" device to avoid the 20 character limit. Same with "Formal dining" room "room chandelier" device. I wanted to maintain a natural spoken word sentence structure in order to make it as easy as I can to remember the commands. As for table lamps, we have some antiques, So I have "French lamp" , "Mantel Lamp", "Crystal table lamp"and "Crystal floor lamp" all in room "The". My wife has a grand piano in a room called of course the "Piano". I had to call the chandelier device "room chandelier" in order to maintain sentence structure and not exceed the 20 character limit in room "The". Remember Alexa is a natural language "speech to text" converter. Given that, you want your commands to be natural to you as well, so that you do not fumble for special words and commands every time you want Alexa to do something.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: JimWingard on January 24, 2017, 01:16:47 pm
It appears Alexa counts a "scene" the same as a "device" in its count devices, only allowing 50 total. Any more seems to cause a lot of confusion to Alexa. Until this limit is raised or Mios allows us to select scenes to exclude, people with large numbers of scenes and device counts will have major problems.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: RichardPHarvey on January 24, 2017, 01:32:40 pm
This all makes great sense Jim, thanks for posting.  But I'm not interested in making changes like you describe in order to make a poor integration actually work.  I have my rooms and devices all set up in a very logical format in Vera which makes everything easy to use, not looking to loose that.  I'm going to sit tight for now until this goes to full production and I will see if they were able to fix all this, if not then I'm going to go the route of the Hue Bridge.  After all I can't get any devices to be found anyway.

I have a main room called "The". That way when you tell Alexa to turn on "the" kitchen light it is correct grammar. I also had to do some creative things with some rooms because I have so many chandeliers and can lights. The 20 character limit on Device names started to be a problem. I had to have a "Master" room and "bedroom cans" device to avoid the 20 character limit. Same with "Formal dining" room "room chandelier" device. I wanted to maintain a natural spoken word sentence structure in order to make it as easy as I can to remember the commands. As for table lamps, we have some antiques, So I have "French lamp" , "Mantel Lamp", "Crystal table lamp"and "Crystal floor lamp" all in room "The". My wife has a grand piano in a room called of course the "Piano". I had to call the chandelier device "room chandelier" in order to maintain sentence structure and not exceed the 20 character limit in room "The". Remember Alexa is a natural language "speech to text" converter. Given that, you want your commands to be natural to you as well, so that you do not fumble for special words and commands every time you want Alexa to do something.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: Zoro on January 24, 2017, 02:10:15 pm
Does anyone know when Alexa discoverability issue with too many Vera devices is going to be fixed?

I'd like to know the same thing, Denix. I'm also having that issue as apparently my Vera Edge has too many devices and nothing is discoverable by my Echo. I'd really like to be able to use the voice control like this but I guess I'm stuck because my house is filled with z-wave devices.

Hi agoodman82

  Having the same problem with too many devices.. Nothing has been discoverable for the last few weeks. The key question is what should be the limit to devices for Alexa (or should there be a limit at all). What is the limit driven by. Is it a bandwidth or memory limitation?

Z
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: JimWingard on January 24, 2017, 06:39:23 pm
It cannot be a bandwidth issue. I suspect that Amazon is limiting the amount of storage per account. They have to hold all of your devices and scenes names to compare to your spoken commands. Since your account will also likely have links/commands to other Skills you may have. I also have Harmony commands for my electronics. With all the Skills available, Amazon may be saving space on their servers for now? They probably were not expecting so many power users at the start!
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: boykster on January 24, 2017, 11:50:01 pm
I haven't tried the beta yet, but one nice feature of the Hue bridge is you can create multiple aliases for devices - for example, we have table lamps in the living room named 'black lamp' and 'red lamp' due to the color of the base of the lamp.  I also created a copy of each named 'black light' and 'red light', as well as adding an alias to a scene named 'table lamps' and another named 'table lights'.  This way you don't have to remember if its lamp or light....etc.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: JimWingard on January 25, 2017, 10:55:58 am
I have one called "Mantel lamp", but Alexa will still activate if my wife call it "Mantel light". It is apparently different enough from my other devices names that Alexa only needs "Mantel" to distinguish it from other devices.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: a-lurker on January 26, 2017, 01:08:26 am
Have posted a bit on "lamp" vs "light", etc here:  Alexa thesaurus

http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,42174.msg305586.html#msg305586
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: paj418 on January 27, 2017, 02:59:54 pm
I've made some progress with the Alexa skill set but it's been tedious and completely non-intuitive. I had previously read all of the posts here and had some idea of what to expect and prepared my system by making sure no device or scene names were longer the 20 characters nor contained any special characters. Still when I added all of my devices (about forty switches and outlets), only one was discovered. By selecting only four, they were found, but I couldn't add any more. I've since found that if I uncheck the ones that were previously discovered I could add between 2-4 new ones. Alexa didn't forget the old ones, but they no longer worked. When I go back and check everything that had previously been found, do a discover, they all work. In this way, I've slowly worked up to 16 devices.

Observations:

Alexa isn't as particular about room/device names as I had thought. A "Kitchen table" in the "Kitchen" isn't a problem. Initially she wanted a room name, but not anymore. She seems able to find anything I specify as long as there is no ambiguity.

Alexa is pretty good with context. "Turn on the track lights" works as well as "Turn the track lights on"

"Turn the track lights on to 50%" works nicely.

'Groups' work extremely well. I'm very happy with this feature. Alexa doesn't mind that when I day "Set the living room to 50%", that not every device is dimable.

Most of my devices are reported as "off line", but they all work never-the-less.

All of my notifications were imported for reasons I don't have a clue about! (Some of them are way over 20 characters.)

It would be nice to be able to specify what scenes (and notifications) are exported. I have many scenes that are automatic (opening the panty door turns the panty light on) and I have no need for voice control over it.

(I've been in touch with support and they're trying to figure out why I can't discover everything at once.)
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: Nailer00 on January 28, 2017, 08:47:15 am
Light at the end of the tunnel for those of us in the UK market...

https://developer.amazon.com/public/solutions/alexa/alexa-skills-kit/docs/uk-migration-faq

Assuming of course Vera don't opt out of the process which logic would dictate they shouldn't, so they probably will  ;D
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: dbemowsk on January 28, 2017, 10:37:25 am
So I wanted to add a new device for Alexa to handle, so I went to https://echo.getvera.com/amazon/alexa/devicelist and logged into my account, but it says "No lights, dimmers or thermostats found...".  WhenI went to my Echo and said "Alexa, discover devices", it goes through it's routine and says that it found 4 devices.  When I originally installed it, it found 9 devices.  If I go to my Alexa account at http://alexa.amazon.com/spa/index.html#smart-home it shows the 9 devices that it originally discovered, but by the 5 actual devices I see "(Offline)".  I am assuming that the 4 devices that the Echo says that it finds are the 4 modes, Home, Vacation, Away and Night.

I am assuming that the problem is somewhere on the Vera end, because when I go to the Vera page to select the devices that Echo will have access to, it shows that no devices were found.

Any help for getting this back up and running is appreciated.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: JimWingard on January 28, 2017, 11:44:12 am
I don't know if this will work, but you might try logging in to your account and saving a backup. Then while you are still logged in, go to Alexa forget all devices, unable the skill and re-enable it. If all you devices show up you should be good to go! I always do this when I add a new device and it always works for me!
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: dbemowsk on January 28, 2017, 12:35:24 pm
@JimWingard, Thanks for the tip.  I'll try that today. Do you think my devices will then show up on the vera side for me to be able to select which ones I want alexa to have access to?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: yacobid on January 28, 2017, 09:19:55 pm
I was able to set everything up in about 20 mins, I have a fairly simple setup using veralight and the latest full release firmware.  I think what really helped me is I logged on to vera and alexa portal before doing anything.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: yacobid on January 28, 2017, 09:23:58 pm
any word if security devices will be disabled in the finial release?  I was really hoping to be able to use a voice command to lock up the house, turn off the lights, and set the alarm
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: JimWingard on January 30, 2017, 11:58:05 am
They are nervous about security devices and door locks. Someone could walk up to your window and tell Alexa to unlock your door and turnoff the Alarm if they know you commands. Alexa will respond to commands no matter who gives them!
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: nutshellml on January 30, 2017, 12:04:02 pm
They are nervous about security devices and door locks. Someone could walk up to your window and tell Alexa to unlock your door and turnoff the Alarm if they know you commands. Alexa will respond to commands no matter who gives them!

So question - why does a scene I have to unlock door work?

Maybe that's causing other issues. Meaning only my scenes are being discovered not the actual devices.  ??




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Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Zoro on January 30, 2017, 12:14:03 pm
I don't know if this will work, but you might try logging in to your account and saving a backup. Then while you are still logged in, go to Alexa forget all devices, unable the skill and re-enable it. If all you devices show up you should be good to go! I always do this when I add a new device and it always works for me!

Hi Jim--

  I wish that world work for me. After the ui upgrade (1.7.2414) I was able to opt in the beta and run the Vera-Alexa app to scan my devices. I did discover devices and Alexa found them, but after  3-4 iterations of this (due to adding devices) (and doing a forget all devices)  I now only get 4 devices (home, away, vacation and night). I'm out of ideas how to make this work.

Z
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: baxy_AU on January 31, 2017, 04:51:15 am
They are nervous about security devices and door locks. Someone could walk up to your window and tell Alexa to unlock your door and turnoff the Alarm if they know you commands. Alexa will respond to commands no matter who gives them!

So question - why does a scene I have to unlock door work?

Maybe that's causing other issues. Meaning only my scenes are being discovered not the actual devices.  ??




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Because Alexa is activating the scene, it doesn't know the scene activates a security device... Only your Vera knows that. What you have done is found a workaround for that limitation. And that limitation is there for a good reason
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: nutshellml on January 31, 2017, 07:45:41 am
They are nervous about security devices and door locks. Someone could walk up to your window and tell Alexa to unlock your door and turnoff the Alarm if they know you commands. Alexa will respond to commands no matter who gives them!

So question - why does a scene I have to unlock door work?

Maybe that's causing other issues. Meaning only my scenes are being discovered not the actual devices.  ??




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Because Alexa is activating the scene, it doesn't know the scene activates a security device... Only your Vera knows that. What you have done is found a workaround for that limitation. And that limitation is there for a good reason
Gotcha.  That's what I thought but still can't figure out why only my scenes are brought into Alexa and not devices.  Thought it was because of that. 

Ok.  Thanks.


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Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: paj418 on January 31, 2017, 09:46:12 am
Have you tried discovering only a couple of devices at a time? Support told me:

"The best way to re-discover devices would be: Disable the skill and Re-enable it, select the devices from the list and run the discovery. If this won?t get your devices, try to re-discover devices by selecting just a few of them, when you?re done with all devices, run a full discovery."

I added just two devices at a time. After they were discovered, I unchecked them and added two more. Once everything was discovered, I selected all of the discovered devices and reran discovery. Worked for me and apparently others since support suggests it.

I mentioned in an earlier post that the my notifications were discovered. My guess is that this is not expected behavior.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: nutshellml on January 31, 2017, 09:48:01 am
Have you tried discovering only a couple of devices at a time? Support told me:

"The best way to re-discover devices would be: Disable the skill and Re-enable it, select the devices from the list and run the discovery. If this won?t get your devices, try to re-discover devices by selecting just a few of them, when you?re done with all devices, run a full discovery."

I added just two devices at a time. After they were discovered, I unchecked them and added two more. Once everything was discovered, I selected all of the discovered devices and reran discovery. Worked for me and apparently others since support suggests it.

I mentioned in an earlier post that the my notifications were discovered. My guess is that this is not expected behavior.
That's great advice.  You know now that I think of it I do remember messing around with it in the beginning and only adding one or two and it worked.  I'll give it another go tonight.


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Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: BOFH on January 31, 2017, 06:35:11 pm
Vera just released a new beta. Check your email and you should see it with subject 'Updated Alexa Beta Available'.

Unfortunately something appears to be awry as after I log in, below error pops up. (already reported)


Error: Internal Server Error
ID: 58911e3335aef

Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: packman on January 31, 2017, 06:52:28 pm
Vera just released a new beta. Check your email and you should see it with subject 'Updated Alexa Beta Available'.

Unfortunately something appears to be awry as after I log in, below error pops up. (already reported)


Error: Internal Server Error
ID: 58911e3335aef

I got the same error
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Areb65 on January 31, 2017, 06:56:18 pm
On my unit - I get this error (Plugin installation)

We are installing a required plugin on the controllers below. Please wait...


FAILED !!!
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Andrew on January 31, 2017, 06:57:19 pm
In the UK and hoping this was the day my voice took control with the skill update!
But
 :( sadly not...
Error: Internal Server Error
ID: 5891238f03d80
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: johnnboy on January 31, 2017, 07:08:27 pm
I upgraded my Plus to the latest beta firmware that was just released today.  And I clicked the link from the "Updated Alexa Beta Available" email.  It shows all devices and also scenes now.  And it has the new option to add a custom name for the device/scene.

But then I get the Failed message when it attempts to install the required plugin.

Update: after rebooting the Vera, when I click the "Update Skill Now" button in the email it now says:
"No controllers found on your account"

 ???
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: Juppers on January 31, 2017, 07:08:38 pm
Looks like my vera is trying to install some plugin and is failing. Any ideas?

Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: tstolze on January 31, 2017, 07:15:04 pm
I was receiving the same error...I emailed support.

and 5 minutes later it updated.

And everything is working with the updated descriptions!   ;D
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: electnixon on January 31, 2017, 07:20:08 pm
Same here:  "we are installing a require plugin on the controllers below.  Please wait...  Failed"
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Areb65 on January 31, 2017, 07:24:03 pm
I did try again

                    and it worked !!!
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: tstolze on January 31, 2017, 07:24:38 pm
Mine finally went through...  :)

Everything is working using the custom name!   ;D
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: johnnboy on January 31, 2017, 07:30:25 pm
Mine also installed the plugin now after retrying several times.

And it works!  I never could get the prior beta to work after weeks of messing with it.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Tsviper on January 31, 2017, 07:30:52 pm
Mine still not working...emailed support and they replied:

Thank you for contacting Vera Customer Care!

Please know we have updated the URL for the Amazon Alexa from our release notes page and now it will re-direct you to the right webpage.

http://support.getvera.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2729880-ui7-%E2%96%BE-beta-software-update-%E2%96%BE-version-7-0-20b-1-7-913-1-7-2551-1-7-2552-%E2%96%BE-february-1-2017
You may use http://eepurl.com/co0Nur to register to the new skill.

Thank you!

Regards,

Magda H▾ Customer Care Advocate

Vera Control, Ltd. ▾ Smarter Home Control

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I believe I need to upgrade firmware first to get this new beta to work.  I'm not on the latest because of the issues with the Linear/GoControl WAPIRZ-1 motion sensors but it is now fixed according to the latest beta notes.

Here I go again with the new firmware...then maybe this new Alexa beta will work.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: BOFH on January 31, 2017, 07:45:42 pm
No luck here still. It does seem there may be a new firmware out.

http://support.getvera.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2729880-ui7-%E2%96%BE-beta-software-update-%E2%96%BE-version-7-0-20b-1-7-913-1-7-2551-1-7-2552-%E2%96%BE-february-1-2017

Considering the last 2 ones tried to brick my vera 3 I am a bit leery about trying that one.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: electnixon on January 31, 2017, 08:28:37 pm
I restarted the Vera, then uninstalled the prior skill, and then the new one worked.
Then I changed some name and it failed again.
Now it says there are no controllers on my account.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: electnixon on January 31, 2017, 08:33:33 pm
I managed to reenable the old (deprecated) skill and at least my lights work again.
Typical... I try a new feature, end up breaking the old one, then work hard just to get back where I was before...

Having two skills with the same name is confusing too... hard to tell which one to enable and which to disable.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: agoodman82 on January 31, 2017, 09:14:40 pm
Apparently Vera made a post on Facebook that they rolled out a new UI7 firmware update to address some problems with Vera working with Alexa. I still don't see the update yet though even when I go check the firmware section in the Vera dashboard. I'm hoping they're just still rolling out the update periodically because I'd really like to see if this new update solves my issue of not being able to have Alexa discover any of my z-wave devices...
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: tomtcom on January 31, 2017, 09:21:31 pm
Failed after setting custom names to install the plugin.

Do we have to do the beta firmware upgrade just to update the beta skill?

Although this is knew ....

Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: agoodman82 on January 31, 2017, 09:33:14 pm
I got to the screen where it says the plugin was installed but then it tries to load the next screen and I get the following message "An error occurred while attempting to link Alexa with the external provider. Please try again later." Anyone else encounter this issue??

Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: agoodman82 on January 31, 2017, 09:43:12 pm
Got it working finally! Just had to open the link in Firefox... I guess a lot of things don't play nice in Safari. Alexa finally discovered my devices too!!

Only issue I've found so far is Alexa won't recognize my CT-80 Thermostat, which is running off of wifi but ties into Vera using the Radio Thermostat Plugin. Does anyone else using a tstat with this plugin have recognition/control issues? I'm wondering if since the device is actually running off of wifi Alexa won't be able to control it...
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Buxton on January 31, 2017, 10:33:56 pm
I get the same error:  "we are installing a required plugin on the controllers below.  Please wait...  Failed"

And then when I tried to update the firmware on the controller, I got this bit of nonsense:

"Unknown firmware extension: squashfs​​. Known extensions are : squashfs bin trx img"

Incredibly incompetent.  This company needs an enema.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: a-lurker on February 01, 2017, 02:17:12 am
When you cut the URL from this page:

http://support.getvera.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2729880-ui7-%E2%96%BE-beta-software-update-%E2%96%BE-version-7-0-20b-1-7-913-1-7-2551-1-7-2552-%E2%96%BE-february-1-2017

and then paste it into a browser address bar and hit the go button, you get a 404 and the URL shows this - note the extra stuff on the end:

https://download.mios.com/release/720/rt3662_Luup_ui7-1.7.913-en-mios.squashfs%E2%80%8B%E2%80%8B

So removing the extra stuff to give this:

https://download.mios.com/release/720/rt3662_Luup_ui7-1.7.913-en-mios.squashfs

and cut and paste that URL into the firmware upgrade page; it then works.

Looks like this is hidden in the original web page:

http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/200b/index.htm

enema - mmmm erhh - looking for the rubber gloves.

EDIT: regardless the update still doesn't install (Vera 3) and it stays at 1.7.902.

I've found the rubber gloves >:(

EDIT: OK - they have fixed their web page now
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Quinten on February 01, 2017, 03:25:07 am
I had already uninstalled the previous version as it was not working for me in the UK (like many others), so my hope was raised this morning when I got the email.  Installation of plug-in failed a couple of times (no error displayed, very helpful), but after a short pause it was succesfull.  Only enabled a few lights and then went to Alexa to discover...  Still nothing!

How fcking useless are these regional limits!
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: RichDC on February 01, 2017, 05:14:16 am
I'm in the UK and did my upgrade in the following order.

Backed up my vera plus first just incase.

Disabled the vera skill in alexa.

Upgraded to the latest beta firmware. :)

Vera Plus all up and running again so next step ... :)

Power cycle to make sure it works again .. :)

Update Skill from email link... :)

Added  "Custom Names" to devices to get rid of room/device name repeating itself e.g.. Lounge/Lounge Light.. :)

All ok...!!!!!! :)

Discover Devices ...... NOTHING, Not a sausage..!!!

There is however, 2 Vera Skills in my Alexa App with the same name. Is there a way to delete the one that isn't in use/disabled? Maybe this is conflicting with the other?
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: Zoro on February 01, 2017, 06:39:26 am
All--

  I see Vera released yesterday another Beta skill for the ECHO. This version allows you to change the device name for Alexa, simplifying the process.

Z
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: pmnb on February 01, 2017, 08:38:34 am
There is however, 2 Vera Skills in my Alexa App with the same name. Is there a way to delete the one that isn't in use/disabled?

I would also appreciate any help figuring out how to identify the "old" skill, which I presume I should disable.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: RichDC on February 01, 2017, 09:40:22 am
There is however, 2 Vera Skills in my Alexa App with the same name. Is there a way to delete the one that isn't in use/disabled?

I would also appreciate any help figuring out how to identify the "old" skill, which I presume I should disable.

The only way i can tell which is the newer skill is on the "your skills" page on Amazon Alexa. The newer skill says "Alexa, turn on hallway light" (see attached). When you enable and link to vera, it has the "Custom Name" option on the right hand side of devices selected to be used.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mylesm on February 01, 2017, 10:08:12 am
Same here got email followed all instructions everything appeared to go ok then ran Discover in alexa nothing no devices connected yet

Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: nutshellml on February 01, 2017, 10:09:16 am
I got everything working.  FYI Alexa now prohibits any scenes that has locks in them so don't delete your old device or you can't get them back. 


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Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: pmnb on February 01, 2017, 10:52:14 am
The only way i can tell which is the newer skill is on the "your skills" page on Amazon Alexa. The newer skill says "Alexa, turn on hallway light"

Perfect!   That's the gem I was looking for.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: fester on February 01, 2017, 12:30:08 pm
  Just added my first Echo Dot a few days ago (Most retailers are sold out...) and having tried the initial "skill" for VERA control was impressed, and the latest update with custom device names is a great improvement. Does anyone know if there is a change log to list the improvements?
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: flaquito on February 01, 2017, 12:34:11 pm
Changelog for the newest beta is here: http://support.getvera.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2729880-ui7-%E2%96%BE-beta-software-update-%E2%96%BE-version-7-0-20b-1-7-913-1-7-2551-1-7-2552-%E2%96%BE-february-1-2017

The newest skill is much nicer. Can select and deselect both devices and scenes, and can rename both devices and scenes. When going through the skill enable process a second time, all previous settings are remembered. Haven't been able to test responsiveness yet... am heading home now for lunch and will be able to.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: hellovn on February 01, 2017, 01:13:27 pm
Looks like my vera is trying to install some plugin and is failing. Any ideas?

I have to try 5 or 6 times to succeed  :'( :'(
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: flaquito on February 01, 2017, 01:27:35 pm
Looks like my vera is trying to install some plugin and is failing. Any ideas?
Maybe try going to "Install apps" on your Vera, installing the "Amazon Alexa Helper" app, then go through the enable skill process again?
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: fester on February 01, 2017, 01:35:19 pm
 I tried several times to add the skill yesterday, but did successfully add it today. Under the skills listing on the Alexa Dashboard under "your skills" it does show two VERA skills now instead of just replacing the one.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: shallowearth on February 01, 2017, 02:31:27 pm
I was able to get the latest SKILL working and finally Alexa discovered the lights I selected.  The list however only let me select from my Light Switches.  It did not let me select from any other device type and didn't let me select any scenes.  But a great start in the right direction given I never got it discover anything before with the old skill.

Note, in my experience through it always reported that the Alexa Helper Plug-in failed (after multiple presses of the retry button) but when I when I logged into my Vera I saw it was actually installed.  So I restarted the whole process from the link in the email and this time it recognized the plug-in was already installed and proceeded to link my switches.

My Vera Edge is on the 7.0.19 firmware, I have not installed the Beta 7.0.20b firmware... maybe that is why my scenes are not displaying.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: dupel on February 01, 2017, 04:38:52 pm
For me there is another issue - I cannot press enable skill in alexa app after update...
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: jitterjames on February 01, 2017, 05:03:14 pm
I updated the firmware - still no scenes, and oh yeah, it broke my Vera Edge.

surprise surprise...

Not even sure I want to waste my time getting tech support to drive and revive it at this point.  Crap after crap after crap from these jokers.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: Jlv on February 01, 2017, 05:25:20 pm
Tried to do the upgrade today.  Everything was going along fine until I got a 'critical' error.  Now the engine will not reload.  Back to a locked up controller. 
Time to get the laptop out and try to talk to the controller.  Very time consuming process to get this working... Beware!

Update... Controller came back to life after about 10 minutes with the old software installed.  Tried to install the upgrade again with the same results.  I did note that the upgrade notes asked that the Alexa skill be disabled.  Did that with the same results.  At least I am functional but off to tech support.

Update... Support says that I do not have enough memory left to do the upgrade.  Says that I need 6.8 to 7 MB.  I have 6 left.  I have a USB drive plugged in but don't know how to get main memory relief by using it.  More to follow....
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: markd on February 01, 2017, 05:31:26 pm
Has anyone in the UK got this working and been able to discover devices?

I've upgraded the fw to 2551 as instructed by support, deleted the skill and started from scratch.  When it comes to discover devices in the Alexa app....nothing.

Mark
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: andyzzz on February 01, 2017, 05:37:33 pm
I am in the same position as you Mark. Installed as per the instructions. Have the new skill in Alexa but no devices are discovered. Noted when I selected the device in the vera setup no scenes were displayed.
When (fingers crossed it works for users in the UK). Should you be able to add scenes?
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: flaquito on February 01, 2017, 06:06:57 pm
Upgrade was flawless on my VeraLite, as well as on my Dad's Vera Edge.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: JohnGiddings on February 01, 2017, 06:08:57 pm
I'm experiencing an issue with Alexa not detecting my devices.

I've updated my firmware, installed the latest Skill, selected the devices and scenes I want to control, the plugin installed (after 4 retries) and got the message stating "Alexa has been successfully linked with Vera Smart Home.?�

"Vera Smarter Home Control" is shown as an enabled skill in the Smart Home menu, but discovery doesn't detect anything.

I have an Echo Dot and I'm based in the U.K.

Any ideas how I can get Discovery to work?

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: BOFH on February 01, 2017, 06:28:50 pm
I was never able to get the old skill to work but the new one is a great improvement. I updated my Vera Plus to the new firmware but left my Vera 3 on the older one as that one has run out of memory the last two times and requires a lot of tweaking and lost me my panels and my multi switch.

The Good:
- Devices on both the Vera 3 and Vera Plus are detected and the plugin installs on both.
- On the Amazon side it now discovers the devices and scenes.
- I've been able to switch on and off some of the devices. Others I am having to tweak the custom name as Alexa isn't 100% sure what I'm telling her it is.
- It's discovered some of my scenes.

The Bad:
- It's not finding all my scenes. I have a number of Sonos ones that play my favorites and it only found half of them.
- Plugin loading is a bit touchy. I had to retry 2 times on the Vera 3 and 3 times on the vera Plus for the install to complete instead of erroring out.

All in all it's a major improvement over the old skill. Especially with the custom names option. Looks like GetVera is on the right track. Now only if I could get it to discover all my Sonos scenes and have Alexa run them. I could retire at least 2 minimotes then. (or sell them and buy the little Alexa for 2 other rooms)   
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: BOFH on February 01, 2017, 06:36:12 pm
I just received an updated Beta email from getvera with subject 'ACTION REQUIRED: Update Alexa Beta Today'.
Clicked the 'Update Skill Now' button and it let me select devices, installed the plugin and let Amazon discover devices and some of my scenes. Lo and behold, I can actually tell Alexa to switch lights on and off. Stiol trying to figure out how to run scenes.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: fuzzysb on February 01, 2017, 06:38:05 pm
uk user working? i get no devices discovered, i am needing 108 devices/scenes on vera plus is that an issue?
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: Areb65 on February 01, 2017, 07:47:34 pm
Can't even login, (invalid email or username), when I try to recover my password,

the system say the same again (invalid email or username)

somebody has the same issue ?
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: pmnb on February 01, 2017, 07:48:20 pm
Can't even login, (invalid email or username), when I try to recover my password,

the system say the same again (invalid email or username)

somebody has the same issue ?

Same here
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: tomtcom on February 01, 2017, 07:58:15 pm
Got the critical error while trying to add the beat firmware. I did the standard upgrade and also did the reset controller option. Neither worked. But I'm back to normal. Before I tried the firmware upgrade I managed to install the new skill but the performance was terrible in comparison to the original beta. That is what prompted me to install it. Oh well for now.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: pmnb on February 01, 2017, 08:13:39 pm
Can't even login, (invalid email or username), when I try to recover my password,

the system say the same again (invalid email or username)

somebody has the same issue ?

Same here

Fixed now.

Up and running with the new Vera skill, but the portal connection to enable the new skill (or new devices) has been very temperamental and required several attempts.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: jbfoster on February 01, 2017, 08:59:13 pm
I did the update but now I have 2 Skills that say Vera. How do I tell which skill is the new and the old?

Jim
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: dupel on February 02, 2017, 03:12:53 am
Maybe its beacause I have updated using the original guide (without disabling old plugin and updating firmware), but what eevr I do (tried to install old skill and disable it, switched to us-uk versions of amazon, updated and reset everything, etc), but I cannot press enable on the new skill in alexa app/portal. As such I cannot use it. Old one was working perfectly for me...
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: fuzzysb on February 02, 2017, 03:57:44 am
has anyone else in the UK got this working. i have selected a small number of devices but this also fails to discover devices. its a very poor implementation.

the url to enable the skill points to pitangui.amazon.co.uk which is the american region. i have also changed the url to layla.amazon.com and can enable the skill but again no devices are discovered. so dissapointed yet again with this beta, 2nd attempt and alexa beta second fail.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: Quinten on February 02, 2017, 05:37:59 am
Yeah, no luck for me in the UK either.  Have emailed the alexa beta email address, but not holding my breath on them being able to do anything
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: tony-park on February 02, 2017, 05:49:54 am
Hi,

I recently joined this beta too, based in the UK.

The discover devices found my hue bulbs ok, but is not finding any devices via my vera.

I installed the beta firmware yesterday, and ever since, my apps have been restarting - this is causing problems for the virtual on/off devices, which I use to trigger scenes or within PLEG. My bathroom light is controlled by the PLTS functionality, and from what I can tell, was cycling on and off all night... it must have looked like we were having a disco from outside!  This is on a vera plus.

Thanks
TP
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: thetwc on February 02, 2017, 06:03:43 am
Glad it's not me. Same thing.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: Chrisfraser05 on February 02, 2017, 06:30:24 am
I'll stick with HA Bridge till you guys report all the bugs and Vera fixes it!


Thanks chaps!
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: electnixon on February 02, 2017, 08:15:39 am
I've had pretty much the same experience as everyone else.
After the second email that launched the custom firmware, I was hesitant to break my VeraPlus, but since the old skill was depricated and my wife had gotten used to using Alexa for more than just the kitchen lights (lutron which work very well), I felt like I had to keep it working.

I installed the custom firmware on VP - no issues, they had fixed the link by then.
The Echo skill wanted to install the app on both my VP and my Vera 3.  My Vera 3 is on the fritz, so of course it failed.  I finally unlinked the V3 from my account and the app was able to install
Once I got past those two steps, it was able to load my devices.  I remembers ones I had previously checked.

Everything seems to be working now.  I had to forget everything in Echo, then go back and recreate all of my groups.
So yeah, after a lot of tweaking I'm back to where I was a few days ago, but with the ability to rename devices which will hopefully help with recognizing them.

I feel silly for early adopting - I renamed nearly every device so they would work with the old skill...
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: markd on February 02, 2017, 08:29:37 am
AndyZZZZZ,

I've re-run the setup process maybe 15 times.  sometimes I see the scene listed and sometimes I don't.

For anyone who has it fully working can you please go into Apps menu and then go onto the Alexa Helper app.  Do you see your devices listed here?  Mine says no devices found (or something similar)
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: electnixon on February 02, 2017, 08:34:23 am
and....  did anyone notice that the Vera website says "work with Alexa"  I don't see the footnote anywhere that says "works with Alexa***"

***for some people based on luck.

Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: electnixon on February 02, 2017, 08:37:36 am
My helper app says no devices created, but i wouldn't expect it to create any.
I done even know if the new Echo skill uses the helper app since MCV issued a custom firmware to handle the Echo skill.
I will uninstall the helper app if i have time then report back.
.
Another note - It seems to take a couple of seconds now for a command to work over Echo.  I don't know if thats because I have more devices now or what, but if you have the bridge going and it has faster response times, that might be a reason to stick with the bridge.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Anndra on February 02, 2017, 09:03:51 am
Has anyone in the UK got this working and been able to discover devices?

I've upgraded the fw to 2551 as instructed by support, deleted the skill and started from scratch.  When it comes to discover devices in the Alexa app....nothing.

Mark
Nope. I'm in the UK and tried all sorts of things for a couple of hours. No devices found.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: paj418 on February 02, 2017, 10:02:52 am
After also experiencing several failed tries, I got the new beta to work using the second email instructions and links. I had many problems getting the first beta to discover my devices, but once the new one finally installed, it worked correctly.

It seems that more basic commands are now working that apparently weren't  supported with the first beta. For example:

dim the <device>
turn the <device> down
brighten the <device>
turn the <device> up

25% increments

"soften the <device>" is accepted, but doesn't seem to do anything.

The commands also work with groups: "Alexa, dim the living room"
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: tony-park on February 02, 2017, 10:19:57 am
Support have just dialled in to my controller, and updated the firmware to 1.7.2558 on a vera plus. This appears to have sorted the problems with the apps, not sure about how it ties in with Alexa at this point, but the controller is back under control once more :-)  Thanks to Juan from support for his help!

I'll try and test the Alexa integration later this afternoon


Tony
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: Zoro on February 02, 2017, 11:16:06 am
Hi--

  Here's some feedback I received from Vera Support. Thanks Raluca. This was new for me:

Subject: Alexa Beta Feedback
FEB 02, 2017  |  04:48AM PST

Raluca replied:

Hello,

Could you give it another try to uninstall then re-install the Skill on your Amazon Echo following the steps below?

http://support.getvera.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2648086-vera-smarter-home-control-%E2%96%BE-alexa-skills-kit-%E2%96%BE-beta

The issue with not showing up all the devices may be due to the names of the devices that do not fit Amazon?s name structure. If one is out of the accepted structure, all other will be rejected.

Avoid special characters and names longer than 20 characters, also, please don?t use abbreviations. Alexa needs to be able to understand the description.

Thank you for being a beta user!
Regards,

Raluca
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: mcv.bogdan.p on February 02, 2017, 11:35:31 am
Glad it's not me. Same thing.

It was definitely a screw up from our part, the irony is that the code that actually introduced the regression was supposed to help with the faster discovery of the devices for Alexa.
It's basically fixed in the new beta builds, you can find details below:
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,47179.msg312969.html#msg312969
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: lbusch1313 on February 02, 2017, 01:09:22 pm
I just added my Echo to a new VeraPlus (upgraded VeraLite). It works with caveats, at least for me.  I ask Alexa to "Turn on the Den lights". Alexa "thinks" for about 10 seconds then announces "The Den light is not responding".  About 2 to 5 seconds later the Den light turns on.  Same for all of the devices I've included, which is only 11 at this point  I sent a "Feedback" form to the Amazon Customer service and got some canned instructions in response.  I tried them anyway with the same result.  I can live with the Alexa misinformation but if there's a fix, I'd like to try it.  Anyone else have this problem?

Thanks
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: tomtcom on February 02, 2017, 01:32:00 pm
I just added my Echo to a new VeraPlus (upgraded VeraLite). It works with caveats, at least for me.  I ask Alexa to "Turn on the Den lights". Alexa "thinks" for about 10 seconds then announces "The Den light is not responding".  About 2 to 5 seconds later the Den light turns on.  Same for all of the devices I've included, which is only 11 at this point  I sent a "Feedback" form to the Amazon Customer service and got some canned instructions in response.  I tried them anyway with the same result.  I can live with the Alexa misinformation but if there's a fix, I'd like to try it.  Anyone else have this problem?

Thanks
The same for me. That's what prompted me to try the 7.020beat firmware which failed epically. So no skill loaded at the moment.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: markd on February 02, 2017, 02:28:46 pm
Paj418 are you in the US or UK?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: paj418 on February 02, 2017, 02:49:39 pm
Paj418 are you in the US or UK?

US
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: markd on February 02, 2017, 03:26:24 pm
Clearly this is not conclusive but it looks like all UK users are having problems discovering devices
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: RichDC on February 02, 2017, 03:45:31 pm
Well me in the UK still has no devices?

I have disabled the skill and then upgraded my firmware again from the second email received to, V1.7.2558.

Enabled skill from Email, selected 1 device.

Adds ok and says i can now discover from alexa.

Alexa says NO......

Things i have noticed is that from "Your Skills" on alexa i have the 2 Year skills as before and, as before i'm still enabled on the "Alexa, turn on hallway light" skill.

When i select "Smart Home" on the left of the alexa app and then select the Vera skill from there, it opens the Vera skill and says "Enable"???? Clicking this does nothing...

So what skill is Alexa trying to use????
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: markd on February 02, 2017, 04:29:04 pm
I'm working with a very helpful person in Vera support so I will keep this thread updated with progress.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: jeff3lo on February 02, 2017, 04:43:30 pm
I updated the ASK to the latest per Vera's email, I have a Vera Plus, my feedback:

Good:  I can pick which ones to expose and rename them.  Nice!

Bad:
1. Comparing to ha-bridge, it is taking a much longer time to execute a command (I guess this is expected)
2. It does not detect any of my scenes (other users seem to get "some" scenes, but I consistently get none.)
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mcv.bogdan.p on February 02, 2017, 05:20:25 pm
Hello all.
First, (well, this will look scripted, but here it goes) we're actively trying to look at as much of the reported issues as possible, we get a lot of feedback on the forum and in customer support on this topic and we try to get to everyone.

Secondly, let me do a short FAQ:
1. Q. Why didn't you upgrade my old skill and added a new one?
    A. This is actually a new skill altogether, it's not an update. We actually cannot programmatically remove the old skill from your account.
2. Q. electnixon had a good point about "works with Alexa"
    A. we are actually under certification with Amazon, so we're not there yet, but we hopefully will get this over with, soon.
3. Q. What commands does it support? Steps to install? Known issues? I have 2 skills (same name)
    A. We have a page that should answer the bulk of that: http://support.getvera.com/customer/portal/articles/2648086 - we're trying to keep this page as up-to-date as possible.
If you have other suggestions, or things that you think that we should put there, please let us know.
4. Q. I've upgraded to the beta build and engine was continuously reloading
    A. A fix for that is available - details here (http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,47179.msg312969.html#msg312969)
5. Q. Security devices - why not?
    A. Amazon is pretty strict with this. And basically, it makes sense (at least for most of the users).
Having people shout from the front of your door "Alexa, open the door" or "Alexa, switch to home mode" - I'm guessing you all understand where I'm getting at.
I've already seen some really creative solutions to getting over that (make a scene, luup code - profit) - so basically, you can still do anything, if you really want to, but (joke) this does not need to be easy :)
6. Q. No devices are discovered. What can I do?
- even in the previously released skill, most of our problems with discovery were caused by the fact that the Alexa API has some pretty strict time limitations - everything needs to happen in a matter of seconds
- we've worked a lot in improving response times between different components, adding various static synchronization to help the response times, etc, but, it seems that, at times, we're not meeting the limits
- part of these changes are done in the cloud service (applies to all the users, even without firmware upgrade) and others are in the latest firmware. So, indeed, without the beta firmware, things work (as the service is backwards compatible), but, to have more changes of getting things to work as intended, the latest build is recommended
- another potential cause: Sometimes scenes might not be discovered or Alexa Device Discovery might take a longer time until the user edits a Scene - also mentioned in the known issues for the beta - might help some of you to move forward
- to help us differentiate between these issues vs other bugs or improvements, when you do encounter issues, please do send feedback to alexa_beta@getvera.com (if possible, with controller SN and eventually, to shorten the analysis time - attaching user_data and tech support token).

Thank you all for the feedback so far!
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: jbfoster on February 02, 2017, 09:32:01 pm
How do we uninstall a Skill? I disabled the old Skill but it's still there. I would like to remove it so it is not in the list of my Skils.

Jim
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: BOFH on February 02, 2017, 10:07:34 pm
Based on some posts that the upgrade took on a Vera lite, I chanced it on my main Vera 3 (which needed a factory reset and restore on teh last 2 updates) and it took without a hitch. All my scenes now got discovered both on the Vera and Amazon side. Some scenes won't work due to the limitations set by Amazon.

However Alexa had no issues with my garage door open and close scenes. I only enabled the Close Garage one as I don't need someone outside my door yelling 'Alexa turn on Open Garage!'. Although considering my K9 security system, getting from the garage into the house may prove a far greater challenge.  8)

Again, nice improvement in this new beta skill. Looks like I may be able to retire my Minimotes I use to control Sonos now..
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Zoro on February 03, 2017, 07:29:21 am
How do we uninstall a Skill? I disabled the old Skill but it's still there. I would like to remove it so it is not in the list of my Skils.

Jim

Hi Jim

  Please try these steps to disable a skill.

1. go to www.alexa.amazon.com

2. click on the left column "Skills"

3. click top right page "Your Skills"

4. Scroll to vera skill

5. Click on bottom right of skill

6. Click top right "Disable Skill"

Hope this helps

Z
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: jr4div2 on February 03, 2017, 09:01:28 am
It does not detect any of my scenes (other users seem to get "some" scenes, but I consistently get none.)
  Make sure you are updated to the latest firmware on your vera.   I had this issue and doing so allowed my scenes to be listed in the vera page to select them for discovery and rename them
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: jr4div2 on February 03, 2017, 09:09:53 am
If you have other suggestions, or things that you think that we should put there, please let us know.
I think serious consideration should be given to on/off for scenes.  Let the user pick a scene for on and another for off.  Or allow a scene to be triggered be on or off and allow that to differentiate from two scenes of the same name.  I.e. a scene for night lights and be called "Night Light"  when I say "Alexa, turn on Night Light", it picks my scene I have selected for the "ON" scene.  When I say "Alexa, turn off Night Light", it picks my scene I have selected for the "OFF" scene. The bridge supported this and was perfect for the non-technical people in my house...aka wife.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: jr4div2 on February 03, 2017, 09:29:48 am
Where is a Beta feedback link?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: packman on February 03, 2017, 02:45:01 pm
It does not detect any of my scenes (other users seem to get "some" scenes, but I consistently get none.)
  Make sure you are updated to the latest firmware on your vera.   I had this issue and doing so allowed my scenes to be listed in the vera page to select them for discovery and rename them
I also can not get any scenes to be detected with the old beta firmware/beta skill or the new beta firmware/beta skill.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mbaker171 on February 03, 2017, 04:43:23 pm
UK user here. Everything works fine up to the point of discovery... nothing is ever found. Maybe it's something on the servers that needs turning on for UK users. I'm completely out of ideas now.

Maybe it will sort its self out over night...

Veraedge 1.7.2557
Finds the rename option.
Links to my account ok.
Nothing ever discovered.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mylesm on February 03, 2017, 04:52:40 pm
UK user here. Everything works fine up to the point of discovery... nothing is ever found. Maybe it's something on the servers that needs turning on for UK users. I'm completely out of ideas now.

Maybe it will sort its self out over night...

Veraedge 1.7.2557
Finds the rename option.
Links to my account ok.
Nothing ever discovered.

Same Here Updated to latest FW deleted skill ran update skill all good ran discovery no devices connected yet
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: markd on February 03, 2017, 05:12:21 pm
Same here for the U.K.

Have you tried editing a scene and making a small change and saving it then running the discovery?  I haven't but it was in a post from yesterday from MCV.

I believe this to be a timing issue where the Vera can't respond back quick enough to the Amazon skill. Pure guess though.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: markd on February 03, 2017, 05:14:50 pm
My work colleagues with alternative systems are all enjoying Alexa voice control so I'm sure Vera will work it out eventually. Or should I say I HOPE Vera will sort it out, eventually
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: tomtcom on February 03, 2017, 05:45:07 pm
I just added my Echo to a new VeraPlus (upgraded VeraLite). It works with caveats, at least for me.  I ask Alexa to "Turn on the Den lights". Alexa "thinks" for about 10 seconds then announces "The Den light is not responding".  About 2 to 5 seconds later the Den light turns on.  Same for all of the devices I've included, which is only 11 at this point  I sent a "Feedback" form to the Amazon Customer service and got some canned instructions in response.  I tried them anyway with the same result.  I can live with the Alexa misinformation but if there's a fix, I'd like to try it.  Anyone else have this problem?

Thanks
The same for me. That's what prompted me to try the 7.020beat firmware which failed epically. So no skill loaded at the moment.

Fortunately the original skill is now working again. Still couldn't get 7.020 beta installed no matter what I did (.913/.915) for the Vera Lite. When I enabled the new skill on the 7.019 firmware it was terrible. Very slow response like you said. So now the original skill is normal and very quick like it was originally.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: paj418 on February 04, 2017, 06:38:24 am
Now that I have the skill working reliably with the new beta (in the US), Alexa has been surprising me with it's ability to determine what I want from the context of the command. As a retired a programmer of 40 years, the need for clarity and conciseness is burned into me. So, when I was demonstrating to my wife how to tell "Alexa, turn the island lights on", she used, "Alexa, turn on the lights over the island."

Surprised when the 'island lights' actually came on, I said, "I can't believe that worked."

She nonchalantly answered, "Women understand each other."
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: fuzzysb on February 04, 2017, 08:15:04 am

The issue with not showing up all the devices may be due to the names of the devices that do not fit Amazon?s name structure. If one is out of the accepted structure, all other will be rejected.


can i suggest that if this is the case that you perform validation of the input in the ui. it makes ne sense especially as you cannot see the result anywhere, but i am sure that is not the case with my discovery issue as only specifying a single device still fails to discover. the light is called Conservatory Lights, this naming works with the milliesofts existing Vera Native plugin.

I have no idea why i am entertaining this solution that blatantly does not work, im holding out hope that the responses will work quicker than the existing native one. but i really dont think this is the case but just want to see....if not i think i will set up a echo bridge instead
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: BOFH on February 04, 2017, 09:04:48 am
*Laughing* at the last sentence.

On that note, English is not my native language so I have a slight accent. Out of all these AI solutions, Alexa stands head and shoulders above the others in understanding me. When I had an iPhone, I had to switch Siri (I called her Surly) off as she had a failure rate of 90% understanding me. OK Google and Cortana are better at it at about 20-30% failure rate but Alexa is below 10-15% failure rate. I can, raising my voice' at my Echo from the across the bedroom to the other side of the living room and not only does she hear me, she understands what I want her to do.

Migrating my main UI5 Vera 3 Ui5 to my Ui7 Vera Plus now has become a priority as to be able to have Alexa access those devices as well.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: hellovn on February 04, 2017, 10:09:58 am
*Laughing* at the last sentence.

On that note, English is not my native language so I have a slight accent. Out of all these AI solutions, Alexa stands head and shoulders above the others in understanding me. When I had an iPhone, I had to switch Siri (I called her Surly) off as she had a failure rate of 90% understanding me. OK Google and Cortana are better at it at about 20-30% failure rate but Alexa is below 10-15% failure rate. I can, raising my voice' at my Echo from the across the bedroom to the other side of the living room and not only does she hear me, she understands what I want her to do.

Migrating my main UI5 Vera 3 Ui5 to my Ui7 Vera Plus now has become a priority as to be able to have Alexa access those devices as well.

Ha ha..it happens the same to me. Siri and Google Now could not understand me very well but Alexa works very well. My dream to make a video for my smart home with my accent has become too. :)
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: BigE-TX on February 04, 2017, 06:07:56 pm
Installed Beta and nada.  Started fresh today and discovered devices for two Vera controllers -even though one hasn't been plugged in for over a year- and SCENES lots of scenes.  Upon unchecking what wasn't needed & renaming some items, I clicked finish and got an error message[attached].

An error occurred while attempting to link Alexa with external provider

My Dot had fallen off of the wifi.  It's online now, but same message. Rebooted Dot, network, and now Vera Edge.  I noticed one thing.  I'm unable to delete this remnant from under my skills [see your skills]; it's not enabled/linked, but still shows up.  I think this is causing the issue because if I enable it then it brings up an old version of the controller selection page and not what I was seeing on the7.02b beta. Device discovery then does nothing.  I also deregistered my Dot and re-registered under the same account.  Nothing changed.     Lots of little changes...unchecking scenes or notifications that didn't appear to be for the active VeraEdge controller.

Plugged in old VeraLite controller.  It wanted to update firmware , but not w/o erasing datamine to clear space for needed upgrade.  Done.  Tried clicking on update skill now and low & behold it worked.  Not sure I can every replicate this again.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: RichDC on February 04, 2017, 06:19:34 pm
UK user here. Everything works fine up to the point of discovery... nothing is ever found. Maybe it's something on the servers that needs turning on for UK users. I'm completely out of ideas now.

Maybe it will sort its self out over night...

Veraedge 1.7.2557
Finds the rename option.
Links to my account ok.
Nothing ever discovered.

Same Here Updated to latest FW deleted skill ran update skill all good ran discovery no devices connected yet

I'm on Vera Plus (1.7.2558) and now have my Amazon devices connected direct to the Vera Plus/MIOS wifi out of desperation... nothing.... !!!!!!

Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: jbfoster on February 04, 2017, 07:00:29 pm
How do I delete everything and start over?

The updated skill does not update any changes I do to my devices and only finds half of them. If I go back to the first skill it finds all my devices. I renamed a device but the new skill does not find it. The device still shows as the old device name that is no longer there.

I have no idea what to do.

Jim
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: RichardPHarvey on February 04, 2017, 07:42:31 pm
In my opinion you wait until it's out of Beta and all the quirks are worked out. Once it's GA you can go in ant test it then, it will still not be perfect but maybe acceptable and workable.

How do I delete everything and start over?

The updated skill does not update any changes I do to my devices and only finds half of them. If I go back to the first skill it finds all my devices. I renamed a device but the new skill does not find it. The device still shows as the old device name that is no longer there.

I have no idea what to do.

Jim
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: jbfoster on February 04, 2017, 11:00:39 pm
Not sure what happened or what I did but it is working fine now.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: BradWorld on February 04, 2017, 11:24:43 pm
The old plug-ins worked fine.   Got the email that it would be terminated in 2 days, so had no choice but to upgrade.  It was a tough time to do so.   I had a hard time getting the pluging to install.   Once I got that working, i was at least able to get back to where I was before the upgrade, after several hours of pulling hairs out of my head.   

Now I am at a point where I think I do NOT have the new Alexa skill !   It looks like the old one, and my custom names from the vera/alexa portal dont carry over to the alexa side of things.  My skill also doesnt really look like how its described in this thread for the new version.   I do NOT see an new vera skill in my alexa, so I really think I have the old one still.   How can I get the new one?  I must be missing something here.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: a-lurker on February 04, 2017, 11:52:24 pm
Old skill vs new skill:

If you use the link in the original email you set up the old skill. You need to use the link in the latest email: "UPDATE SKILL NOW".
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mbaker171 on February 05, 2017, 11:18:18 am
I'm still not able to discover any devices in the UK. Vera is working on this right? The firmware for me at least is rock solid so I'll be upgrading my main Vera Edge soon.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: BradWorld on February 05, 2017, 11:27:48 am
My understanding is that the link in the email updates the plug-in on the Vera.   I followed all the instructions and used the correct new email info.    I am talking specifically about the skil on the alexa app.  I dont seem to have a new one.  Just the old skill.  I could use some guidance on how to find the new skill on the alexa app side of the equation.   


Old skill vs new skill:

If you use the link in the original email you set up the old skill. You need to use the link in the latest email: "UPDATE SKILL NOW".
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: jbfoster on February 05, 2017, 01:54:48 pm
I renamed a door sensor on my Vera Plus last night. When I click on the Update Skill in the email the new name was not showing. I went to bed and this morning when I clicked on Update Skill the new name is correct. Once I rename a device how long does it take to show up correctly when I update the Skill? Why does it not show right away when I try to update the Skill?

Thanks
Jim
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: tomtcom on February 05, 2017, 02:40:01 pm
I renamed a door sensor on my Vera Plus last night. When I click on the Update Skill in the email the new name was not showing. I went to bed and this morning when I clicked on Update Skill the new name is correct. Once I rename a device how long does it take to show up correctly when I update the Skill? Why does it not show right away when I try to update the Skill?

Thanks
Jim

I would do "discover devices" again and not update skill. I have renamed devices and found discover picks it up a short time later. Reload the luup engine if needed, then discover.

I will personally state I have done about 16 discovers in one day to get my devices to show. One of the Vera guys told us that Amazon has a tight window to do discovery and if your devices aren't found in that time frame you get no returns. So I kept hammering away at it and eventually get everything.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: jbfoster on February 05, 2017, 03:00:33 pm
Right now I have a door sensor that is fine in Vera Plus but does not show in the Echo or when I go to update skill. I have tried just about everything I can think of Reload, Reboot, Discover and update skill. The door sensor still not being discovered. I have another door sensor I want to add but I'm holding off untill I figure this one out.

Jim
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mylesm on February 05, 2017, 03:06:59 pm
I'm still not able to discover any devices in the UK. Vera is working on this right? The firmware for me at least is rock solid so I'll be upgrading my main Vera Edge soon.

Same here hopefully it is being worked on
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: jbfoster on February 05, 2017, 03:29:25 pm
How do I restart the Luup ? I can't remember where it was.

Thanks
Jim
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: BOFH on February 05, 2017, 04:03:07 pm
Left side menu:

Settings -> Z-Wave settings -> Advanced tab -> reload engine.

Alternative LUUP code: luup.reload()
Option 1: Create a 'reload LUUP' scene
Option 2: Settings -> Apps -> develop Apps -> type luup.reload() in the text box and press GO button
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: jbfoster on February 05, 2017, 04:06:36 pm
Left side menu:

Settings -> Z-Wave settings -> Advanced tab -> reload engine.

Alternative LUUP code: luup.reload()
Option 1: Create a 'reload LUUP' scene
Option 2: Settings -> Apps -> develop Apps -> type luup.reload(0 in the text box and press GO button

Cool thanks. They moved it again I see.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: tomtcom on February 05, 2017, 04:14:55 pm
Right now I have a door sensor that is fine in Vera Plus but does not show in the Echo or when I go to update skill. I have tried just about everything I can think of Reload, Reboot, Discover and update skill. The door sensor still not being discovered. I have another door sensor I want to add but I'm holding off untill I figure this one out.

Jim

My bad, I think sensors like that don't show in Echo. Most devices showing in Echo are devices you can instantiate an action on. My door sensor doesn't appear either. Basically I believe you can do all devices with on/off states (powered) and thermostats. That's why they don't appear.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: jbfoster on February 05, 2017, 04:25:12 pm
Right now I have a door sensor that is fine in Vera Plus but does not show in the Echo or when I go to update skill. I have tried just about everything I can think of Reload, Reboot, Discover and update skill. The door sensor still not being discovered. I have another door sensor I want to add but I'm holding off untill I figure this one out.

Jim

My bad, I think sensors like that don't show in Echo. Most devices showing in Echo are devices you can instantiate an action on. My door sensor doesn't appear either. Basically I believe you can do all devices with on/off states (powered) and thermostats. That's why they don't appear.

Well that sucks. I have a night light plugged into a lamp module in the hallway. I put a door sensor on my bedroom door. I want the night light to come on when my bedroom door is opened. I will create 3 scenes. I will make one scene trigger off the door sensor, another to turn the night light on and the third scene to turn off the night light. Hopefully that will work.

Thanks
Jim
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: jbfoster on February 05, 2017, 04:45:55 pm
I got to thinking I don't need the door sensor to work with the Echo. All I needed was one scene for the door sensor to turn on the night ligh then 10 minutes later turn it off. It's the lamp module that controls the night light with the Echo. So I'm good to go.

Jim
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: jbfoster on February 05, 2017, 05:07:44 pm
I have another issue. Not sure if I should post here but here is the problem.

I had a door sensor outside on my side gate to my house. I had 3 notifications setup, Tamper, Gate opened and Gate closed. I renamed the door sensor from side gate to washer. I am now going to use the door sensor as a water sensor for my washer so if it ever leaks I will know. I went to the notifications for the door sensor and there is no notifications but when I go to update skill it shows the 3 from when it was set as side gate. Anyway to get rid of those 3.

Thanks
Jim
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: packman on February 05, 2017, 05:59:37 pm
My bad, I think sensors like that don't show in Echo. Most devices showing in Echo are devices you can instantiate an action on. My door sensor doesn't appear either. Basically I believe you can do all devices with on/off states (powered) and thermostats. That's why they don't appear.

I have an Aeotc Siren with an on/off state but it does not appear in the list.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: adamhay on February 05, 2017, 07:33:35 pm
In the UK but am still unable to find devices. I have loaded the latest beta- showing 1.7.2558 on my Veraplus. I  have Aexa Helper plgin loaded. I have disabled the skill and done the Update Skill from the email. I get an up to date list of all my devices, from which I only select a single device "Silver light", in the room "Kitchen" and give it the custom name "Silver light". When I press Finish, it tells me that it has successfully enabled the skill. When I now go into the app, sure enough the Vera skill is there. When I run discover devices , it finds nothing.

This time, unlike the previous beta (which of course did not work), I have noticed something odd. In the dashboard the skill is there and says I can "Disable" it. However, when I click on the name of the skill, there is very little info there but is a button, which says I can "Enable" it. So I presume the skill has not installed properly.

Anyone seen this variation on the problems? Anyone any idea on what to do?. I have tried everything I can think of
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: tomtcom on February 05, 2017, 08:38:22 pm
My bad, I think sensors like that don't show in Echo. Most devices showing in Echo are devices you can instantiate an action on. My door sensor doesn't appear either. Basically I believe you can do all devices with on/off states (powered) and thermostats. That's why they don't appear.

I have an Aeotc Siren with an on/off state but it does not appear in the list.

It's based on the device category or sub-category. So yes, I have an alarm and it doesn't show either but it has an on/off too.

Listing > http://wiki.micasaverde.com/index.php/Luup_Device_Categories

But for echo maybe it's better to say switches, receptacles, and thermostats. I believe somewhere Vera posted what works.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: tomtcom on February 05, 2017, 08:41:19 pm
I have another issue. Not sure if I should post here but here is the problem.

I had a door sensor outside on my side gate to my house. I had 3 notifications setup, Tamper, Gate opened and Gate closed. I renamed the door sensor from side gate to washer. I am now going to use the door sensor as a water sensor for my washer so if it ever leaks I will know. I went to the notifications for the door sensor and there is no notifications but when I go to update skill it shows the 3 from when it was set as side gate. Anyway to get rid of those 3.

Thanks
Jim

I "think" the later directions specified that when upgrading to the new skill the actual process should be this:

1. Forget all devices.
2. Disable old original skill.
3. Install new beta firmware.
4. Update new skill
5. Discover (hopefully profit)

However, in your device listings if they appear in your echo, you should be able to "forget" them. Hopefully. I like things tidy too.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: jbfoster on February 05, 2017, 09:14:48 pm
When I first clicked on the Update Skill it enabled the new skill but left the old enabled also. My Firmware did not get upgraded. I had to update the Firmware myself.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: TonyW on February 06, 2017, 03:07:05 am
In the UK but am still unable to find devices. I have loaded the latest beta- showing 1.7.2558 on my Veraplus. I  have Aexa Helper plgin loaded. I have disabled the skill and done the Update Skill from the email. I get an up to date list of all my devices, from which I only select a single device "Silver light", in the room "Kitchen" and give it the custom name "Silver light". When I press Finish, it tells me that it has successfully enabled the skill. When I now go into the app, sure enough the Vera skill is there. When I run discover devices , it finds nothing.

This time, unlike the previous beta (which of course did not work), I have noticed something odd. In the dashboard the skill is there and says I can "Disable" it. However, when I click on the name of the skill, there is very little info there but is a button, which says I can "Enable" it. So I presume the skill has not installed properly.

Anyone seen this variation on the problems? Anyone any idea on what to do?. I have tried everything I can think of

This is exactly what I am now experiencing.

I'm also in the UK and had been part of the original Beta before we found it did not work in the UK.   

I had installed the original Beta, found it did not work so removed the Vera skill from Alexa months ago.
I suspect the problem may be connected with the earlier Beta release.  I uninstalled the Alexa skill months ago when it did not work in the UK.  However, on reflection, I did not realise that a Vera "Alexa Helper" plugin had been installed in the background so I probably only uninstalled the Alexa end of the link. 

I've not found a solution yet, but will let you know if I do.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Anndra on February 06, 2017, 05:09:17 am
I'm still not able to discover any devices in the UK. Vera is working on this right? The firmware for me at least is rock solid so I'll be upgrading my main Vera Edge soon.

Same here hopefully it is being worked on
Ditto!
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: dupel on February 06, 2017, 10:07:04 am
In the UK but am still unable to find devices. I have loaded the latest beta- showing 1.7.2558 on my Veraplus. I  have Aexa Helper plgin loaded. I have disabled the skill and done the Update Skill from the email. I get an up to date list of all my devices, from which I only select a single device "Silver light", in the room "Kitchen" and give it the custom name "Silver light". When I press Finish, it tells me that it has successfully enabled the skill. When I now go into the app, sure enough the Vera skill is there. When I run discover devices , it finds nothing.

This time, unlike the previous beta (which of course did not work), I have noticed something odd. In the dashboard the skill is there and says I can "Disable" it. However, when I click on the name of the skill, there is very little info there but is a button, which says I can "Enable" it. So I presume the skill has not installed properly.

Anyone seen this variation on the problems? Anyone any idea on what to do?. I have tried everything I can think of

I have the same issue, and vera team is investigating it. So far they are puzzeled by this problem.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: emiliosic on February 06, 2017, 02:47:13 pm
Tried the updated firmware and modes stopped working. After much hassle ended up restoring a previous firmware and restore Z-Wave network. Running on a Vera Plus
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mylesm on February 08, 2017, 02:30:01 am
Just asking is there any update for UK Users re Alexa Skill and device Discovery

Thanks
Mylesm
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: Ostrichsak on February 08, 2017, 11:00:48 am
I installed the Skill beta a few weeks ago.  It worked but I had to say the group name first and it made it less than ideal to say things like "Alexa, turn on Living Room Living Room Lamp" but at least it worked for the most part.  I saw there was an update available to the Skill beta and I attempted to do this update.  Now, I've got two Skills and I'm not 100% sure which to update and it seems to have broken the integration of Alexa and my VeraLite.  I'd like to delete both Skills, purge the memory of any settings and start fresh with whichever Skill beta is current but I don't see any options for this.  Does anyone have any input on my situation?

Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Brainsy on February 08, 2017, 03:50:41 pm
Same UK question, has anyone been able to get Alexa to 'discover' devices in UK?
 (VeraPlus)
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: markd on February 08, 2017, 07:39:18 pm
Mylesm, I asked this question of Marc from Vera on the Facebook page and he came back saying there were users in the UK that had it working according to their support feedback.

I'm not sure if I truly believe this or not.  I've been in contact with support and they now say it's passed back to the development team.

Very frustrating indeed.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mylesm on February 09, 2017, 02:27:18 am
Mylesm, I asked this question of Marc from Vera on the Facebook page and he came back saying there were users in the UK that had it working according to their support feedback.

I'm not sure if I truly believe this or not.  I've been in contact with support and they now say it's passed back to the development team.

Very frustrating indeed.

Thanks for that Well Even if Some users in UK have it working can they explain why the vast majority of UK Users seem to have problems discovering Devices

Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: andyzzz on February 09, 2017, 09:11:01 am
Seeing as most people would of heard about the beta firmware on these pages it does seem very strange that no UK user has this working. Especially when the new beta was supplied to extend the use for the UK.

I emailed the beta feedback email address and was asked to respond with my serial number and they will investigate further. Hopeful this will get resolved.

I like everyone else has followed the instructions. Only difference I have noticed is I can now see my scenes when trying to add these to Amazon. This all looks really good and it is frustrating this fails at the final stage of discovering the actual devices.

Thanks


Andy
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: fester on February 10, 2017, 12:11:45 pm
Contacted support for this one myself (now two items in "your skills", no change vers. on either), but since with the new changes in device description its working pretty well for me; their advice was basically "if it works, don't fix it"...
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: specsix on February 11, 2017, 06:30:12 am
Started with the link in the email.   It  found my Honeywell thermostat and works great with the echo, but it completely ignored my Schlage front door lock.

The names do not have strange characters in them either.  The front door is called "Main Entry".   

Here is what it found ... (notice the Schlage lock is missing "Main Entry")

Entire House Main Thermostat Entire House Main Thermostat (Honeywell Unknown)   Forget
Home mode House mode: Home (Vera Smart Home Controller)   Forget
Away mode House mode: Away (Vera Smart Home Controller)   Forget
Night mode House mode: Night (Vera Smart Home Controller)   Forget
Vacation mode House mode: Vacation (Vera Smart Home Controller) Forget
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: BOFH on February 11, 2017, 08:49:24 am
As per Amazon rules, locks etc are not allowed in these skills. GetVera is working on a new Secure skill that requires the Echo PIN for locks, sensors etc.

You really don't want a miscreant yelling at Echo outside your front door something like 'Alexa, unlock the front door!'. At least I don't although with my security system, good luck getting in that door without donating blood or bodyparts.  8)
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: specsix on February 11, 2017, 04:24:34 pm
As per Amazon rules, locks etc are not allowed in these skills. GetVera is working on a new Secure skill that requires the Echo PIN for locks, sensors etc.

You really don't want a miscreant yelling at Echo outside your front door something like 'Alexa, unlock the front door!'. At least I don't although with my security system, good luck getting in that door without donating blood or bodyparts.  8)

ok.  I read some API notes and totally understand why it is not working, but to your 2nd point  yes actually I do want the echo to control my door lock.  There is no way an average to above average criminal  could get past my security system (not z-wave) without me knowing it.  I am home 95 percent of the time with a military trained German Shepherd  knowing if someone is within 25 meters of my house in the woods.   My point is - let the customer decide what risks should be taken - that is the entire point of Vera anyways - open source DIY control of your home.  Yes I understand that this is an Amazon issue, but we are talking about Echo to Vera integration so the spirit of Vera is actually broken with this integration.  Not complaining, just point it out and hopefully it will motivate someone to come up with a work around.  I am thinking maybe adding it as a generic z-wave device and masking anything that is lock related.  If I come up with a solution, I will let everyone know.

Thanks
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: Don Phillips on February 11, 2017, 05:34:30 pm
My point is - let the customer decide what risks should be taken - that is the entire point of Vera anyways - open source DIY control of your home. 

I can hear Clint Eastwood saying "make my day".
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: BOFH on February 11, 2017, 07:12:13 pm
More like Jim Belushi and Jerry Lee in the bar scene in the movie K9.  ;D

Mine are not military trained but there's several sharing my house with me and I have a camera on them while at work (not worried about them misbehaving, just enjoying their antics)

As far as a solution goes:

A) is to wait for Getvera to finish the 'secure skill' which will allow locks etc to be accessed via Alexa using her PIN setup.
B) Use LUUP code in a scene to access the secure device rather than selecting it the normal way.
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: specsix on February 11, 2017, 09:05:52 pm
Ok I have a temporary solution that works for now using scenes.     The key was not to use the word "lock" in any of my scene names.  I also had to use the word "Start" before speaking the scenes. 

This worked with a Schlage door lock FE469nx

Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: marksand on February 12, 2017, 06:06:34 am
I just added my Echo to a new VeraPlus (upgraded VeraLite). It works with caveats, at least for me.  I ask Alexa to "Turn on the Den lights". Alexa "thinks" for about 10 seconds then announces "The Den light is not responding".  About 2 to 5 seconds later the Den light turns on.  Same for all of the devices I've included, which is only 11 at this point  I sent a "Feedback" form to the Amazon Customer service and got some canned instructions in response.  I tried them anyway with the same result.  I can live with the Alexa misinformation but if there's a fix, I'd like to try it.  Anyone else have this problem?

Thanks

Same here on VeraEdge. Did you manage to solve it somehow?
Support said they forwarded it to developers, no response...
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: dbemowsk on February 12, 2017, 02:07:53 pm
I had some hardware to update before going to the new echo skill, but I had it search my devices a while back but I did not select any for discovery, nor did I have alexa discover devices.  Today I renamed some devices and went back to the alexa.getvera.com page to select the new devices, and it didn't see the renamed devices.  It was still showing the old names.  I thought then that I'd try adding the listed devices and after clicking Finish, it said that it was installing the plugin.  after canceling out of that I got an Amazon Alexa page that said, "An erroroocurre while attempting to link alexa with the external provider.  Please try again later."
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: markd on February 12, 2017, 06:17:11 pm
There seems to be some issues with Alexa linking to external devices from a number of vendors.  I installed the netatmo weather station skill and it linked perfectly.  A colleague tried and it failed.

I think this is related to the issues that are being seen in the uk and it might be an Alexa issue.  Pure guesswork here though...
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: markd on February 12, 2017, 06:21:38 pm
Could a US user please confirm what version of Alexa firmware you are on.

In the UK I'm on 5031

Thanks
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: dbemowsk on February 12, 2017, 08:45:42 pm
@markd, Figured I'd post that I resolved my issue that I posted earlier.  I went back to the email for setting up the new beta and realized that I didn't upgrade to the beta firmware.  So today I installed 1.7.2558 on my Vera Plus which fixed my problems.  This is the information I went by to fix things :
http://support.getvera.com/customer/en/portal/articles/2729880
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: NHguy on February 12, 2017, 09:29:07 pm
I'm in the US on alexa fw 5031 with the latest skill and things are working fine.

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Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: dbemowsk on February 12, 2017, 10:41:49 pm
@NHguy, what Vera device and what UI are you running?  I am only on 2558, but I am running a Vera Plus on UI7.  I am wondering if earlier UI versions are on a higher FW #.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: NHguy on February 12, 2017, 11:04:56 pm
Vera plus running 1.7.2414. I installed the new skill immediately when I got the notification (I didn't see the release notes to upgrade firmware). I had been trying forever to get this running after I had it working for a week and then it broke. I believe my problem was when they added support for scenes a little after the original release. Ultimately, after I installed the new skill,  it  identified some duplicate scene names (that are not exposed through vera ui,  some crap configuration I have laying around??? ) that I believe caused it to not discover any devices.  It's working for me so I'm leaving we'll enough alone (for now). I had a long arduous process of getting this going (bricked a vera lite, as well as countless hours of try this try that). Good luck!

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Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: aPL on February 13, 2017, 03:27:20 am
Alexa smart home skill requires the endpoint to respond in under 8 seconds (restriction by amazon). If a command from alexa to your controller through the relay servers takes more than 8 seconds then it will execute but alexa will say there was an error. When I fully use my internet bandwidth I get the same thing.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Anndra on February 13, 2017, 06:11:39 am
I emailed the beta feedback email address and was asked to respond with my serial number and they will investigate further. Hopeful this will get resolved.
I've received a reply from the beta feedback email address:

"Please note that we have addressed this case to our development team because we are aware of this situation with the Amazon UK and they are working on this as we speak, but I don?t have an ETA for this."
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: CelticWebs on February 13, 2017, 01:52:18 pm
Considering it now specifically states uk support, it doesn't work for me either :(


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Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: markd on February 13, 2017, 02:07:11 pm
Thanks guys for the feedback.  I also had an email from support today saying that they will make an announcement when they have it working.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Nailer00 on February 13, 2017, 05:37:56 pm
Considering it now specifically states uk support, it doesn't work for me either :(


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It doesn't work for anyone in the UK from what I've seen, despite both official announcement emails saying it did...

Vera want you to trust them to secure your home with the latest controller they're pushing, hilarious  :D
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: fester on February 14, 2017, 12:13:30 pm
Been using the latest beta pretty successfully for the last couple of weeks and although a "Scene" could probably be created, the ability for Alexa to integrate its own basic skills with Vera would be nice, such as "turn off bedroom lamp in one minute". Have to check with Amazon to see if this has already been suggested.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: markd on February 16, 2017, 07:16:08 pm
Has anyone had any further response about the UK echo issues?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: darbey on February 18, 2017, 11:49:54 am
Absolutely farcical (given the support are responding to other threads it's obvious this is being ignored).

I'm in Ireland so relying on UK support to get up and running........ go through everything and no devices discovered.......
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: shady.hamilton on February 20, 2017, 05:30:01 am
anybody knows what command i can use with Amazon echo if i want to switch off my thermostat? right now i can set the temp only but if i say turn off or stop, it says these commands are not supported. so any idea what i need to say to switch off my thermostat?

thank you
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: kev b on February 20, 2017, 08:20:53 am
I don't think the Echo skill can directly change the mode, but could you write a scene to shut the thermostat off, then have Echo turn the scene on?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: shady.hamilton on February 20, 2017, 10:00:48 am
yes but it will be strange to say something like Alexa, turn on AC off..... :) 

since we were setting up the degree directly on the thermostat, it is strange why can't we say turn off the thermostat...
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: tstolze on February 20, 2017, 12:07:11 pm
Why not set the scene as "set the thermostat to off"?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: shady.hamilton on February 20, 2017, 01:58:40 pm
even if you do that, you need to ask Alexa to turn on this scene, so i have to say Alexa, turn on turn the thermostat off..... it will not be accurate.

since the thermostat is allowing me to set the temp, why isn't it allowing me to turn it off or on?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Sorin on February 20, 2017, 06:20:43 pm
Absolutely farcical (given the support are responding to other threads it's obvious this is being ignored).

I'm in Ireland so relying on UK support to get up and running........ go through everything and no devices discovered.......

Sorry about the radio silence but we do want to be constructive and UK seems to be the oddball. So as soon as we would have something on it, we will surely let you know guys. As far as I know the whole thing might be related to the short time frame the API allows devices to be "read".
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Anndra on February 21, 2017, 12:23:56 pm
A new version of firmware has been released. It doesn't mention any UK fixes (not surprising considering the above comment). I've tried it remotely and my UK echo still does not recognise anything from my newly-upgraded UK Vera.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: thetwc on February 21, 2017, 01:35:07 pm
Same, UK based alexa and vera and it still can't find discover any devices. 

I do have 2 different skills on the alexa though.  any advice on which one to use.  (i have tried both and neither work, but i should stick to one i guess)
Pic attached is the screenshot.  There are no version numbers, just a change in wording. 

Thank you
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Andrew on February 22, 2017, 05:55:54 am
I'm in the UK . Installed the new Edge firmware this morning (1.7.2607). The procedure to install the Skill, link to my Edge and select devices to control goes without a hitch but....still can't discover any devices after numerous attempts, reboots, re-selections etc etc :(

 Come on Support team...can we have a clear statement please, on what's going on with Amazon UK Echo support and whether 2607 is supposed to have fixed the issue. Thanks!
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: kiethr on February 22, 2017, 07:17:47 am
Anyone having issues with their Echo lately?  Was running the beta firmware and upgraded to the production version last night.  Everything worked great for about 3 hours.  Then all of the sudden, echo would understand the command and say okay but nothing happens.  Tried forgetting the device in the amazon app and rediscovering it and didn't have any luck.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mvader on February 22, 2017, 01:51:25 pm
I'm in the UK . Installed the new Edge firmware this morning (1.7.2607). The procedure to install the Skill, link to my Edge and select devices to control goes without a hitch but....still can't discover any devices after numerous attempts, reboots, re-selections etc etc :(

 Come on Support team...can we have a clear statement please, on what's going on with Amazon UK Echo support and whether 2607 is supposed to have fixed the issue. Thanks!


per this message
http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,40396.msg315059.html#msg315059

it appears it's not working correctly for UK at the moment and they will let you know when it's working.
Title: A brit still not working.
Post by: Alexs on February 22, 2017, 04:04:53 pm
Anyone got it working in the UK yet?

Disabled skill in Alexa web portal.

Ok upgraded to latest firmware 1.7.2607

Enabled skill via beta sign up.

Selected a series of simply named devices to manage.

Tried to discover devices in Alexa web portal none discovered.

any ideas?
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: tomtcom on February 22, 2017, 08:42:50 pm
Does anyone know if I need to upgrade the Alexa software if I just upgraded the VL firmware to 1.7.919? My Alexa software is working just fine still...amazingly. The reason I ask is the new beta Alexa software was supposed to require 7.020 beta firmware. I never was able to update that and not sure if 1.7.919 covers me to install the new Alexa beta software.
Title: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Cor on February 23, 2017, 05:00:26 am
Just signed up for the beta. (alexa.amazon.com)

Some comments:
-It is very annoying that all devices and all scenes are selected , and no way to all deselect them at once.
-selected 1 scene: although it works with the HA-bridge , when I try it via vera skill >> device is offline.
-selected 1 danfoss thermostate: Alexa doesn't understand me when I want to set a new set point.

Quite dissapointing,

Cor
Title: Re: A brit still not working.
Post by: tony-park on February 23, 2017, 05:32:31 am
Anyone got it working in the UK yet?

Disabled skill in Alexa web portal.

Ok upgraded to latest firmware 1.7.2607

Enabled skill via beta sign up.

Selected a series of simply named devices to manage.

Tried to discover devices in Alexa web portal none discovered.

any ideas?

No joy for me, with any devices or scenes appearing in Alexa  ???
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: Cor on February 23, 2017, 05:38:20 am
I am using alexa.amazon.com , but also here no joy.

Although I have 1 device and 1 scene "included", alexa says they are offline. Although with the HA-bridge it is working.

Cor
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Spanners on February 23, 2017, 09:14:45 am
Managed to get everything 'working'.

Couple of issues.

I get Alexa saying, Sorry - the device "X" is not responding 100% of the time (but the lights/scene does it's thing about 10 seconds later). Didn't have this issue with previous firmware/original skill beta.

Need a new keyword for Scenes (or some way to link an on scene to an off scene).

For example I have a scene for turning the Airconditioner on (alexa name = airconditioner), and a scene for turning it off (alexa name = airconditioner off).

Saying "Alexa Turn on Airconditioner" is ok.
Saying "Alexa Turn on Airconditioner off" sounds stupid and actually doesn't work most of the time because it thinks I'm trying to turn a device called airconditioner off. And scenes don't support being turned off.

Same with Garden Lights scenes. "Alexa turn on Garden Lights On". "Alexa turn on Garden Lights Off"


Is there a way to get Virtual Switches to work?


Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mvader on February 23, 2017, 09:28:40 am
Managed to get everything 'working'.

Couple of issues.

I get Alexa saying, Sorry - the device "X" is not responding 100% of the time (but the lights/scene does it's thing about 10 seconds later). Didn't have this issue with previous firmware/original skill beta.

Need a new keyword for Scenes (or some way to link an on scene to an off scene).

For example I have a scene for turning the Airconditioner on (alexa name = airconditioner), and a scene for turning it off (alexa name = airconditioner off).

Saying "Alexa Turn on Airconditioner" is ok.
Saying "Alexa Turn on Airconditioner off" sounds stupid and actually doesn't work most of the time because it thinks I'm trying to turn a device called airconditioner off. And scenes don't support being turned off.

Same with Garden Lights scenes. "Alexa turn on Garden Lights On". "Alexa turn on Garden Lights Off"


Is there a way to get Virtual Switches to work?

try to create a single group in the alexa app.
just call it airconditioner

then you just say turn on airconditioner or turn off airconditioner.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Spanners on February 23, 2017, 09:52:58 am


try to create a single group in the alexa app.
just call it
then you just say turn on airconditioner or turn off airconditioner.

Can you give me an example of what the scene names should be (either on Vera or the Alexa skill name for them)?

I'm not quite sure how that would work (admittedly I'm not sure how the groups work). :)

Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Cor on February 23, 2017, 11:58:07 am
I think I have some similar issues with Alexa understanding me. Maybe the group thing works...

For example I have a sonos connect , which is conencted to my amplifier.
A scene to turn up the volume: volume up   .

-It sounds rediculous: Alexa , turn on Volume up
-it doesn't work , since alexa thinks about turning her own volume up.

Any suggestions for these kind of things?

Cor
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: dpaik on February 23, 2017, 12:21:36 pm
Is there a way to get Echo/Alexa to discover Virtual Switches consistantly.  I have a few older ones that are loaded correctly but can't get the new ones discovered.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: shallowearth on February 23, 2017, 01:59:13 pm
@Cor, I am doing this with my home amplifier and Alex by creating a virtual dimmer then using PLEG to monitor the dimmer and fire off the correct actions to increase/decrease volume.

You download the virtual device files from here:  http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,8363.msg53275.html#msg53275
Then you:
Go to Apps / Develop Apps / LUUP files. Upload the xml files you want,
then select create device from the left side menu (say you are creating a virtual BinaryLight1)
enter D_BinaryLight1.xml as Upnp Device Filename
enter I_BinaryLight1.xml as Upnp Implementation Filename
You don't need to put anything in any of the other fields.

Than you have to hook up PLEG to watch the Dimmer Level and take action on your Sonos as appropriate.

Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: shallowearth on February 23, 2017, 02:02:00 pm
@dpaik
Either use the virtual switch from my previous post (instead of using the Virtual Switch Plug in)

Or replace this file on your Virtual Switch plug in to make sure the Category is set correctly to 3 (binary switch).  (See attached)
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Cor on February 23, 2017, 02:06:08 pm
@ shallowearth : holly crap that is a big work around  :o  ...... let's see if I can make it work  :-\

Thanks,
Cor
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: shallowearth on February 23, 2017, 03:14:15 pm
@Cor the upside if doing it at a device instead of just a scene is now it is also exposed in your UI platforms you might be using with a visible slider (your phone app etc).  Since I am adjusting the volume on my amp and not my Sonos (Sonos is fixed level) because I use different inputs, this was important to me.  Since you are adjusting via the Sonos directly, you might just want to wait until the Sonos/Alexa integration is complete and you will probably get it naively :-)  I signed up for the Sonos/Alexa Beta but doesn't look like I was ever selected so don't know the state of that.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Spanners on February 23, 2017, 06:49:53 pm
@dpaik
Either use the virtual switch from my previous post (instead of using the Virtual Switch Plug in)

Or replace this file on your Virtual Switch plug in to make sure the Category is set correctly to 3 (binary switch).  (See attached)

Perfect - this is something Vera needs to build into the Alexa Skill rather than everyone setting up a bucketload of hacked virtual switches that drive scenes. Perhaps using groups as suggested earlier, name the group and it can contain scenes that have "Off" or "On" (or Enable/Disable) in their names.

Group: Garden Lights
Scene1: Garden Lights On
Scene2: Garden Lights Off

When commanding Alexa, the logic simply looks within the group for something with Off, On in the name. In the Example above - Alexa switch Garden Lights on.

Sometimes I wonder if any of the MCV Devs actually have a Vera at home.



Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mvader on February 24, 2017, 09:46:13 am


try to create a single group in the alexa app.
just call it
then you just say turn on airconditioner or turn off airconditioner.

Can you give me an example of what the scene names should be (either on Vera or the Alexa skill name for them)?
I'm not quite sure how that would work (admittedly I'm not sure how the groups work). :)
how do you turn the AC on and off now?
is it with a smart switch?
does it show up with the "light bulb" in vera?
if so, then just create a group in alexa. and add the device (not scene)
then you can just tell alexa turn on or off.

Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: markd on February 24, 2017, 02:00:24 pm
Sometimes I wonder if any of the MCV Devs actually have a Vera at home.

Best comment on the forum this year!
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: dpaik on February 24, 2017, 03:43:28 pm
@shallowearth

It worked...Thanks.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Spanners on February 24, 2017, 07:59:02 pm


try to create a single group in the alexa app.
just call it
then you just say turn on airconditioner or turn off airconditioner.

Can you give me an example of what the scene names should be (either on Vera or the Alexa skill name for them)?
I'm not quite sure how that would work (admittedly I'm not sure how the groups work). :)
how do you turn the AC on and off now?
is it with a smart switch?
does it show up with the "light bulb" in vera?
if so, then just create a group in alexa. and add the device (not scene)
then you can just tell alexa turn on or off.

Ultimately there's a smart switch there, but it's controlled by 2 scenes. Reason is the state of the aircon can be out of sync if it's activated by the panel.

So the On scene turns the switch off and on. The off scene turns it on then off. This means that regardless of the state of the smart switch and the wall panel, the result is consistent.

Hence needing Alexa to do a sensible english version of Aircon Off and Aircon On with scenes.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mbaker171 on February 26, 2017, 05:44:41 am
Hi all... frustrated UK user here...
I installed the Hue 2 bridge and can control my lights via Echo.
The android Vera Smarter Home Control app COULD discover my lights but NONE of my zwave resources.
 I am trying to get me head around why this should work but I'm not able to discover any zwave resource(devices scenes etc)

I'm worried that the root cause for UK users hasn't yet been found. Anyone got any thoughts here?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: shallowearth on February 26, 2017, 02:52:20 pm
@spanners
I recently saw someone posted a version of the virtual switch that had three states when you turned it on or off, it would then return to the unknown state so that you could turn it on or off again immediately.  I am having a hard time finding it right now but if that variant works with Alexa it should solve your problem.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Styxman on February 26, 2017, 02:56:57 pm
Shallowearth
2 questions for you -- been trying to implement your virtual switch but it won't show up on Alexa.  Any idea what I'm doing wrong?  Also, I'm using the virtual switch to run a scene that contains some lua code....the code won't run.  Any ideas on that.  Thanks for your expertise.

Styxman
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mvader on February 26, 2017, 05:07:54 pm
Hi all... frustrated UK user here...
I installed the Hue 2 bridge and can control my lights via Echo.
The android Vera Smarter Home Control app COULD discover my lights but NONE of my zwave resources.
 I am trying to get me head around why this should work but I'm not able to discover any zwave resource(devices scenes etc)

I'm worried that the root cause for UK users hasn't yet been found. Anyone got any thoughts here?

http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,40396.msg315059.html#msg315059
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: shallowearth on February 26, 2017, 11:10:41 pm
@Styxman
Are you on the latest Beta Skill (doesn't work with the older one).

To make sure you uploaded the file correctly, go to your virtual switch, go to the Advanced properties, on the Params tab you should see the value category_num = 3

If is is not true you either didn't upload the file correctly, or you might need to reboot your vera to get it to update the properties (if you created the Virtual switch before you updated the file).

After that it should show up as a device in the vera page to expose to alexa.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Styxman on February 27, 2017, 10:26:31 am
@Shallowearth -  Thanks so much...it worked!!!  I wasn't aware that I needed to restart the system.  As soon as I did, the switches became visible on the Alexa skill.  Thanks again.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Styxman on February 28, 2017, 05:46:04 pm
All - My Echo Beta Skill has stopped functioning all of a sudden.  Alexa couldn't find any of my devices (she said) even though they were all present in the Alexa app.  I uninstalled the skill from the Alexa app, went through the process of re-adding it, then tried to re-discover my devices, but nothing came up.  Is anyone else having the same problem?  If not....any ideas what may have gone wrong?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: pmnb on February 28, 2017, 05:50:57 pm
Same here - devices no longer controllable via Alexa.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: guest141700 on February 28, 2017, 06:02:32 pm
Same problem here.

http://alexa.amazon.com shows devices offline.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: BOFH on February 28, 2017, 06:19:09 pm
I don't think Vera can be blamed for this one. Much more likely this is related to Amazon's S3 cloud issues it's heaving on the east coast. Which has taken a lot of sites down or made them extremely slow.

More info: http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2017/02/28/amazons-cloud-service-goes-down-sites-scramble/98530914/
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Styxman on February 28, 2017, 06:26:54 pm
@ BOFH - Thanks for the info on AWS.  Hope things come back up soon.  As of 6:25 EST, I still can't discover devices.  May take a while for services to be fully restored.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: BOFH on February 28, 2017, 06:51:47 pm
All mine are also still showing offline. Not holding my breath as I've been dealing with this issue at work most of the day already. In every cloud a little rain must fall and in Amazon's case I think that fell on some hardware and caused shorts.  8)
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Styxman on February 28, 2017, 06:56:02 pm
Cloud.....rain....yuk, yuk, yuk.   :)
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Styxman on February 28, 2017, 07:30:27 pm
Alexa service seems to be functioning again.....7:30 EST.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: pmnb on February 28, 2017, 07:31:31 pm
Alive again as well.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mylesm on March 01, 2017, 02:09:40 am
Still not working in UK ??? ???
Title: Re: Echo skill beta
Post by: adamhay on March 01, 2017, 06:11:07 am
Postings seem to have gone quiet again so .....

Is there ANYONE in the UK that has the native integration working? I think I have done all the latest and necessary things to make it work but still have no devices discovered. Wonder if everyone is just waiting for like me, or even if any issue resolution work is going on?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: paj418 on March 01, 2017, 07:49:30 am
I experienced the same outage but it wasn't 100%. About 1 in 10 requests were honored. Over the last month that I've been using the skill, I've occasionally had Alexa tell me that a device was not responding only to have it actually do what I wanted after a lengthy delay.

Does anyone know how the system actually works? My guess is that my request goes to the Amazon cloud where Alexa looks up my device. If she finds it, she forwards the request to a Vera cloud (?) which in turn contacts my Edge. If my Edge responds appropriately, Vera lets the Amazon cloud know and Alexa responds "Ok". If that's how it works then I can see how timing windows could be critical.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: treetop777 on March 01, 2017, 06:22:21 pm
Greetings,

I'm about to take the plunge and try to setup Alexa but if you don't mind, id like to ask a couple simple questions like:  What the naming structure should be?  I'm kind-a thinking out loud below..

From what i understand (i've been following this thread) you have to name the room and then the device when giving Alexa a command, sort of like this:  "Alexa, turn on <room name><device name>" right?  So if i have a room called "living room" and a device in that room called "living room light", i should change the device name to just "light" right?  So i would just have to say: "Alexa, turn on the <living room><light>" right?

But then i got to thinking, if the above is true, then i would have a lot of other rooms with a device called "light" i.e "living room light""den light" laundry room light""master bedroom light" and so-on; would that confused Alexa having several devices called "light"?  (wait a minute! Does Vera even let you have devices with the same name????).

Then i got to thinking again (that accounts for the smoke coming out of the top of my head), why don't i just do like another member in here did and just have ONE ROOM called "The" and name the devices with a room name such as how i have it now i.e "living room light" is a device name in the "living room".  That way i would say "Alexa, turn on <the><living room light>" "Alexa, turn on <the><den light>"

I already installed the latest firmware (VeraPlus) and everything went well.

Will appreciate any comments/advice.  Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Chaypee on March 01, 2017, 11:51:39 pm
I'll try to keep my official discussion on this thread so we don't all pollute the other vera bridge thread.

Just an FYI, it does in fact appear that Alexa takes a little bit of time to parse out the room names from the device names in the database. When first using the Skill, you need to say the room name before the device name "Turn on Hallway, Hall Light" instead of just "Turn on Hall Light." However after about 30 minutes it automagically distinguished room names from the device name so the latter call of just "Turn on Hall Light" works.

Even though the release notes said scenes were supported, I can't seem to figure out how to implement them. Also, when I was working through it last night, complex logic hadn't seemed to work such as "Turn off all Living Room Lights" I'll try that again tonight with some more variety in what I'm saying.

Also, this provides some fledgling IFTTT support through Alexa albeit kind of a complicated work flow. I have a Nexia-locked Thermostat (AZONE-950) that I now hope I can set up to use IFTTT connected to Alexa in order to use Home/Away from Vera via a virtual Switch to set the Home/Away mode of the thermostat. We'll see if that works

Other than that, I got a firmware upgrade implemented the first time on my Vera Edge without failed upgrades, re-configuring, restores, constant Lua Reboots, etc. I'll give that a thumbs up for now.
Scenes work if they are checked on the Amazon For or Echo page but you have to say "Turn on __________". For example we have a scene that turns off a number of lights, but find a picture light to 40℅. It is labeled, simply, "Go upstairs"

So the command is "Alexa, Turn On Go Upstairs". There is a 5 second delay and the scene executes, and a confirmation sound, we call it a grunt, comes from Alexa.

As we have another similar system in a house in another state but using the GetVera Master a, obviously with the Vera Plus boxes clearly labeled differently for each location, we had to specifically rename the "Dining Room Lights" scenes, as an example, because Alexa sees both sets.  But that is another matter.

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Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: paj418 on March 02, 2017, 10:56:30 am
Greetings,

I'm about to take the plunge and try to setup Alexa but if you don't mind, id like to ask a couple simple questions like:  What the naming structure should be?  I'm kind-a thinking out loud below..

You don't have to worry about renaming anything on your Vera. The current beta release allows you to give all of your devices aliases for Alexa. For example if you have (on your Vera) a room called "Living Room" with a device called "Table Lamp" and also have a "Table Lamp" in your room "Den", for Alexa you could alias them to "Living Room Lamp" and "Den Lamp" (or Alpha and Beta for that matter).

Alexa can do a lot from context. I have "Island Lights" in my "Kitchen". Alexa will turn them on if I say "Turn on the island" or if my wife says "Turn the lights over the island on".

You obviously cannot have two devices with exactly the same name for your Echo(s) as Alexa will not be able to resolve the ambiguity.

Finally, the Echo "Group" facility allows you group a number of devices together and control them all with one command. For example putting all of your living room devices into a "Living Room" group allows you to command "Turn on the Living Room", "Dim the Living Room", or "Set the "Living Room to 50%".
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: shady.hamilton on March 02, 2017, 03:45:30 pm
Did  anybody try to create on and off scenes and put them in one echo group to be able to turn on and off the thermostat? I did that it worked for turning on but when trying to turn it off it days thermostat (my group name) doesnt support this command

Any help please
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: treetop777 on March 02, 2017, 04:39:02 pm
Greetings,

I'm about to take the plunge and try to setup Alexa but if you don't mind, id like to ask a couple simple questions like:  What the naming structure should be?  I'm kind-a thinking out loud below..

You don't have to worry about renaming anything on your Vera. The current beta release allows you to give all of your devices aliases for Alexa. For example if you have (on your Vera) a room called "Living Room" with a device called "Table Lamp" and also have a "Table Lamp" in your room "Den", for Alexa you could alias them to "Living Room Lamp" and "Den Lamp" (or Alpha and Beta for that matter).

Alexa can do a lot from context. I have "Island Lights" in my "Kitchen". Alexa will turn them on if I say "Turn on the island" or if my wife says "Turn the lights over the island on".

You obviously cannot have two devices with exactly the same name for your Echo(s) as Alexa will not be able to resolve the ambiguity.

Finally, the Echo "Group" facility allows you group a number of devices together and control them all with one command. For example putting all of your living room devices into a "Living Room" group allows you to command "Turn on the Living Room", "Dim the Living Room", or "Set the "Living Room to 50%".

Outstanding!  Much obliged.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: Spanners on March 03, 2017, 12:10:44 am
Anyone else experiencing big delays with Alexa -> Vera execution since upgrading to the latest firmware and skill plugin?

I ask Alexa to turn on some lights, after 8 seconds I get the Device X is not responding, then anywhere from 10 seconds to 2 minutes later Vera does the action.

In the previous firmware/beta skill it was pretty much instant.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mcv.vlad on March 03, 2017, 02:10:15 am
Hello everyone!
First, a good news. We and Amazon have worked together and identified the issue regarding the UK users not being able to use their skill and the change will be going live soon.

Regarding users with multiple vera's and echo's in multiple locations (rooms or houses) do this:
1. create an amazon account for each house/office/room (depending how you want to customize)
2. add all accounts on the same household (to be able to get access to music from your main account or other shared features)
3. go to webui in settings -> other users and create a user for each house/office/room

For each location you want different commands
4. login to alexa.amazon.com
5. use the invite link in a different tab / window
6. login with one of the vera users for alexa
7. name the devices as you want per user

8. enjoy

For example, if I have a vera in my home, and one alexa in bedroom and one in the kitchen
- users: amazon_bedroom, amazon_kitchen, vera_bedroom, vera_kitchen

- enroll with amazon_bedroom, vera_bedroom and add bedroom alexa to this amazon account
- name bedroom lights "light"
- name kitchen lights "kitchen lights"

- enroll with amazon_kitchen, vera_kitchen and add kitchen alexa to this amazon account
- name bedroom lights "bedroom light"
- name kitchen lights "kitchen"

Now when I'm in the kitchen i can say 'turn on lights' and 'turn on bedroom lights' and in the bedroom i can say 'turn on lights' for bedroom lights and 'turn on kitchen lights'

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: RichardPHarvey on March 03, 2017, 09:40:23 am
After a number of failed attempts with the first Beta release I decided to sit tight until the final release.  But hearing of some success with the 2nd Beta I decided to give it a go.  Low and behold most of my devices were found right out of the gate where never did I find a single device with the first Beta.  what I don't have however are any of my scenes, although most devices were found not a single scene was found. Re-ran discovery several times but nothing.

Any ideas....?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: aPL on March 03, 2017, 10:28:44 am
Do you have latest firmware version?
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: cobbtm2003 on March 05, 2017, 02:24:06 pm
Anyone else experiencing big delays with Alexa -> Vera execution since upgrading to the latest firmware and skill plugin?

I ask Alexa to turn on some lights, after 8 seconds I get the Device X is not responding, then anywhere from 10 seconds to 2 minutes later Vera does the action.

In the previous firmware/beta skill it was pretty much instant.

I am absolutely experiencing the same thing.  i have noticed that if you only have a few devices in the alexa groups she answers OK, but if there are more like 5+ bulbs in the group it seems to take longer than alexa's time out and so she responds with device not responding, even though the lights eventually do react, usually by the time she is done complaining about the lights not responding.

My setup is a vera with a hue to control all the ge link bulbs, so i am making "rooms" on the hue, which then show up as one on/off device in the vera, which is seen as one device to alexa, which results in speedy response, which results in an "OK" when i tell her to turn that device on or off.  I just wanted to post to let you know its not your setup, im seeing the same thing.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: jaredrs1 on March 06, 2017, 09:37:48 am
Anyone else experiencing big delays with Alexa -> Vera execution since upgrading to the latest firmware and skill plugin?

I ask Alexa to turn on some lights, after 8 seconds I get the Device X is not responding, then anywhere from 10 seconds to 2 minutes later Vera does the action.

In the previous firmware/beta skill it was pretty much instant.

I've been noticing this as well. I get varied results between "OK" and not responding, but i have noticed the delay is quite a bit longer than it used to be. Frequently when I get device not responding, the light will actually turn on while Alexa is saying it.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: anthonyris on March 06, 2017, 11:06:23 pm
Yes, am experiencing the same delays. Happens with a single device/light, Nest thermostats and groups of devices. Right when Alexa claims something isn't responding, it typically does...

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Anyone else experiencing big delays with Alexa -> Vera execution since upgrading to the latest firmware and skill plugin?

I ask Alexa to turn on some lights, after 8 seconds I get the Device X is not responding, then anywhere from 10 seconds to 2 minutes later Vera does the action.

In the previous firmware/beta skill it was pretty much instant.

I've been noticing this as well. I get varied results between "OK" and not responding, but i have noticed the delay is quite a bit longer than it used to be. Frequently when I get device not responding, the light will actually turn on while Alexa is saying it.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: aPL on March 07, 2017, 02:18:45 am
If you use Alexa Groups instead of Vera Scenes, Alexa does one request per device in group, which can add up really quick and exceed the 8 second command timeout imposed by Amazon.

The solution is to use Scenes in Vera instead of Groups. Until they change the implementation from Amazon to send one request for multiple devices.

If you say a command, Alexa says there was an issue and then the command actually works, it just means the reponse time was more than 8 seconds through the MMS relay to your Vera.
Title: Re: Echo Skill Beta
Post by: mcv.vlad on March 07, 2017, 07:54:41 am
Locked due to skill update. Please start a new topic for issues and/or discussions.