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Re: Antenna on Vera3 -- extending?
« Reply #270 on: August 24, 2014, 01:56:16 pm »
That's interesting about the directionality of the appliance modules and may help explain why sometimes it looks good and sometimes not, as my appliance module is on an extension cord and gets moved around occasionally. I'm using the GE module, so that would definitely make sense. Going to try adding a few repeaters today and see if that helps--wish all this stuff wasn't mostly mail order!

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Re: Antenna on Vera3 -- extending?
« Reply #271 on: August 24, 2014, 11:36:05 pm »
I'm not sure just how directional. But it's my primary explanation for some of the results I have. My thermostats, on the other hand, now talk to directly to Vera after the antenna mod. My thermostats are at different angles and on different floors.

Another explanation is that one or two of my appliance/dimmer modules are not to spec.

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Re: Antenna on Vera3 -- extending?
« Reply #272 on: August 25, 2014, 10:06:46 am »
OK, I tried figuring it out but Im lost. How can you tell of a device is talking directly to Vera or not?
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Trane TZEMT400AB32 | Schlage BE369 FE599 | GE 45601 45602 45603 45604 45606 45609 45631 | Intermatic HA01C HA03C HA05C HA07C CA600 CA3000 | Aeon DSC06106 | Telguard GDC1 | Foscam FI8910W FI8905W FI9821W | D-Link 930L | Wanscam JW0011 | ZModo ZPIBH13W

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Re: Antenna on Vera3 -- extending?
« Reply #273 on: August 25, 2014, 12:55:55 pm »
Advance Tab - Auto Route

0 is Vera, I believe

0-5 indicates the device is talking directly to Vera, with a score of five. Lower is better

0-5x indicates it tried this route, but couldn't complete the communication, and will use the next route listed

I assume these routes are assigned during a heal.


 

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Re: Antenna on Vera3 -- extending?
« Reply #274 on: August 25, 2014, 01:23:08 pm »
Cool! Thank you.
Interesting is that my Jasco plug in switch seems to talk directly to Vera but the Intermatic dimmer not 2 feet away from it talks to that Jasco Plug-in rather than Vera directly. :)

The vast majority of my devices now seem to be connected directly to Vera. Which would explain why I have the feeling they are responding faster. 

My cordless phones and other wireless equipment are all 2.4 or 5 GHz so I'm not worried about interference that me be caused by the 5dB antenna upgrade.

Oops, seems the MyQ/Assurelink gateway uses 900Mhz to talk to the opener. Function doesn't seem impeded though.

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Re: Antenna on Vera3 -- extending?
« Reply #275 on: August 27, 2014, 07:50:51 pm »
I ordered an HG905RD-RSP (http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-900-mhz-5dbi-rubber-duck-antenna-rp-sma-plug-connector) and made the mod to my Vera 3. This looks like the same antenna as RichardTSchaefer has based on his photo. I'm having some strange results. The two Leviton Scene Controllers that were giving me fits before the mod are configuring fine. However, the other 70% of my Z-Wave nodes are showing failed to configure after a heal.

@RichardTSchaefer, can you tell me if your antenna tilts/twists down with gravity? This one doesn't seem to want to stand up on it's own... The swiveling portion (just past the threaded end) will always turn with the antenna?s s weight. I'm wondering if I'm having a problem with my install, or with the antenna itself?

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Re: Antenna on Vera3 -- extending?
« Reply #276 on: August 27, 2014, 08:41:07 pm »
That's the antenna I have (from l-com).  It's very long (17") and I have mine rotated down... Since it ends up there anyway.

You will want to superglue the RP-SMA connector, on the internal cable, to the Vera case... Even with that, you will have a high likelihood of breaking that bond.

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Re: Antenna on Vera3 -- extending?
« Reply #277 on: August 29, 2014, 04:51:02 pm »
I am still dealing with signal issues, due to the layout of the building I'm in and it being a metal building.  It is basically two metal building joined together by a metal tunnel.  At night, the tunnel is closed off with a 10x20 metal overhead door.  Thus, creating a more difficult path for Z-Wave signals.

I realized that I needed to reposition my vera to a location closer to the tunnel, and height would increase the reliability of the network.  (other side of the tunnel is a Kwikset Zwave lock that is VERY stingy with what it will respond to.)

Therefore, I am remote mounting my VeraLite with a single CAT-5 carrying data and power, by using a Passive PoE Injector/Splitter set.
I found the Huacam HCP05 Passive PoE Injector/Splitter DC Connector on Amazon, as of this writing (August 2014) it is priced just under $7.  This set includes the power connectors pre-installed, so it is a quick "plug&play" install with the Veralite's factory power supply.

So far, I have only used this with a 10ft piece of Cat5.  Voltage drop can be an issue on longer runs, so it may require more voltage at the insertion point to compensate for voltage drop.

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Re: Antenna on Vera3 -- extending?
« Reply #278 on: August 31, 2014, 11:20:39 am »
An update on the HG905RD-RSP (http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-900-mhz-5dbi-rubber-duck-antenna-rp-sma-plug-connector). I found a solution for the antenna that tilts/twists down with gravity. I got some 1/2 wide heat shrink tubing from Harbor Freight Tools (bought it a few years ago in a multi pack.) I cut a piece so it slips over the kurled part of the antenna connector and the plastic part. It's not real easy to slip on, but it keeps the antenna in position. Note, I didn't need to use a heat gun to shrink the tubing. Hope this helps anyone else that may have found the same situation.

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Re: Antenna on Vera3 -- extending?
« Reply #279 on: August 31, 2014, 11:36:41 am »
An update on the HG905RD-RSP (http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-900-mhz-5dbi-rubber-duck-antenna-rp-sma-plug-connector). I found a solution for the antenna that tilts/twists down with gravity. I got some 1/2 wide heat shrink tubing from Harbor Freight Tools (bought it a few years ago in a multi pack.) I cut a piece so it slips over the kurled part of the antenna connector and the plastic part. It's not real easy to slip on, but it keeps the antenna in position. Note, I didn't need to use a heat gun to shrink the tubing. Hope this helps anyone else that may have found the same situation.
Did you not have any duct tape?

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Re: Antenna on Vera3 -- extending?
« Reply #280 on: August 31, 2014, 01:42:10 pm »
I've always got duct tape and can buy it in every color now! This method puts enough force on the antenna so I can adjust it without pulling gooey tape off. Kind of like how it should have worked out of box!

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Re: Antenna on Vera3 -- extending?
« Reply #281 on: September 07, 2014, 02:20:49 pm »
I've just installed a new antenna on my Vera 3. Instead of gaining signal I lost.
Door that used to work fine got out of range.  So I'm back to the original antenna.

See what I've got:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00EPWDP1A/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008AGUTPC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Probably 3.5 dbi are less than what the internal one gives. If you guys have another antenna suggestion let me know, for now I'm back to defaults.

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Re: Antenna on Vera3 -- extending?
« Reply #282 on: September 07, 2014, 03:40:28 pm »
I really think its time for the mods to close this thread to new posts. I don't see how anything of further value can be added to it. It already has clear descriptions, links to parts sources, photographs, troubleshooting steps... And all that was by page 8. Now at 19 pages and growing it is devolving into a mess.

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@charlesrg - The internal Vera antenna is a 2.2dBi PCB trace antenna. Reports in this thread indicate that using even a 2.2dBi external antenna shows improvements. Your 3.5dBi antenna should absolutely make an improvement, assuming that it, does meet the advertised specification, isn't defective, was installed correctly, and that the Vera was not damaged during the process.

Did you perform a network heal after the antenna modification? Do you know for sure that the door was previously talking with Vera directly, rather than through intermediate nodes?