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Offline clippermiami

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Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
« on: July 23, 2016, 08:07:17 am »
So I'm getting close to making the leap. I've read through the "official" Vera document on moving from Vera3 UI5 to VeraPlus UI7 and Richard Shaefer's tome on making the move. I'm inclined to the "official" version as it SEEMS to make life as easy as it will be. I've read through most of the posts on the forum, both the success and the horror stories. I've copied out any Startup LUA in the APP section and in the PLEGs so I guess I'm about ready.

Just a few niggling little areas of concern.

* Richard mentioned he had Leviton devices where all of my wall switched and outlets are GE/Jasco. Are they going to come over without a lot of hassle?

* I have a number of Aeon relay switches and MonoPrice single and dual relay switches installed in hard to reach outside boxes for security lights and  camera power. Anyone have any experience with these and the transition?

* I have a number of PLEGs running on the two Veras.
** What happens to the licenses on these ... as I recall they are tied to the unit serial number which means the minute they move they stop working?
** Do the PLEGS come over clean with all the correct device names, ids, references and logic in tact? Or am I faced with a massive editing job?

* The two Veras talk to each other using HTTP to do things such as set MultiSwitches in the other unit to pass control and status information to each other. I'm confident the HTTP command system will continue to work but will the device numbers and references remain the same or am I going to have to edit every one of them? Similarly status is passed from my Blue Iris system to one of the Vera using HTTP commands so if the device numbers and references do not remain they will have to be edited in Blue Iris as well?

Both Vera 3 units have the external antenna mod. I have one ZWave sensor installed in the curbside mailbox about 75 feet from the Vera 3 which currently works fine but without an external antenna will the VeraPlus  see this guy?

I set up one Vera Plus with temporary installations of the various plugins so I could play with the configuration controls and make sure they all initialized. So far that appears to have worked properly and everything at least installed and started up without complaints.

Thanks for any info on these questions, I really appreciate your input.

John



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Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2016, 08:29:43 am »
I'm in a similar situation. 2 Vera 3's but going to a Plus and an Edge.

The http call setup works just fine between the Plus and the Edge (actually between the Plus/Edge and the Vera 3's as well) however, unless you to a backup on the 3 and restore to the Plus, your device numbers will change forcing update on all http calls. If you want to go the 'clean' way by unpairing a device from the Vera 3 and then pair it to the Plus chances are very large it will receive a different device ID.

I'm noticing the z-wave antenna on the Plus being stronger than the default one on my Vera 3. It's able to pick up a MonoPrice PIR sensor in the master bedroom without any relays in between and does so reliably and consistently. From what RTS posted a while back, the antenna mod is a no go on the Plus as it uses a different internal antenna than the Vera 3.

I can't comment on PLEG as I don't use it but posts do indicate you'll have to get a new license.

I'll be following this thread closely.
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Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2016, 11:13:48 pm »
Thanks.

The backup/restore is part of the Vera document so that sounds good. I'm a bit surprised that the backup/restore will work from UI5 => UI7, I thought there were a number of internal changes that required the source to be on UI7 as well. But the Vera document is specific to UI5 =UI7 so maybe my concerns are overblown.

Thanks again for your input..

UPDATE
In reading through the docs again  its clear the source controller must be on UI7 so I guess I misread it. Sorry


« Last Edit: July 24, 2016, 11:51:24 am by clippermiami »
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Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2016, 11:57:25 am »
There is a Vera 3 UI5 -> Vera Edge UI7 direct upgrade procedure on the Vera site.
http://support.getvera.com/customer/en/portal/articles/1840699-to-veraedge-from-ui5-on-veralite-vera-2-or-vera-3

Is the Vera Plus sufficiently different than Vera Edge that this procedure will not work for Vera 3 UI5 -> Vera Plus UI7?
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Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2016, 01:58:45 pm »
In reading further it appears the device names do not get transferred over for non-Leviton devices where the names are stored in the device. So everything comes over as _Dimmer, _Switch, etc. rather than "Hallway Light Switch" and so on. Is this actually  correct?
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Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2016, 02:09:44 pm »
I would NOT transfer the Z-Wave network from a Vera 3 to a Vera Plus.

I have had weird things continuously happen.
It seems that people that are happy with there Vera PLUS start from scratch!

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Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2016, 02:25:58 pm »
Like you I have a large number of devices in difficult to access locations. So besides getting out the ladder and screwdriver is there another solution?
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Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2016, 02:37:33 pm »
I tried an experiment, I took a backup of one of the Vera 3 UI5 units and restored it as is to a Vera Plus UI7. I did not transfer the ZWave network, I just wanted to see if the backup/restore process brought over everything, device names, rooms, etc., despite the fact that the units are on different UI versions.

The transfer appears to have been completely successful. As expected the PLEGs failed as the licenses are tagged to the old serial number and all the logic contained in them failed because there were no actual ZWave devices present. Things such as iPhone Locator that are not physical device dependent worked immediately. The DSC alarm interface failed as expected because I did not enter the IP address of the DSC panel
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Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2016, 07:16:35 pm »
Just wanted to thank you for taking the time to ask these questions, and report on experimentation, as I'll soon be joining you in making this transition, and am eager to hear what you find.

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Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2016, 07:26:00 pm »
Well I'm probably going to do one Monday so we shall see :)
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Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2016, 10:12:57 pm »
Sending positive vibes down the State for a succesfull conclusion. :-)
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Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2016, 11:51:21 am »
So much for "positive vibes" :)

I tried making the transfer by first converting one of the existing Vera 3 from UI5 -> UI7. I entered the firmware url:

http://download.mios.com/rt3662_betafirmware/rt3662_Luup_ui7-1.7.2044-en-mios.squashfs

for the current release, running on my Vera Plus. But the simply download fails consistently.

Stuck again, contacting support :)
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Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2016, 02:15:02 pm »
My Vera 3 is on the latest Ui7 and it is version 1.7.830. Are you trying to install a Vera Plus/Edge firmware by any chance as my VeraPlus is on 1.7.2044. As teh Plus and Edge have the ZWavePlus chipset, the firmware is not compatible with the Vera 3 and Lite. (and vice versa)


Check the firmware download thread below. Then upgrade to the most current Ui7 its has for the Vera3 / veralite.
You can then let the unit upgrade itself the the current Ui7 firmware.

http://forum.micasaverde.com/index.php/topic,32278.0.html
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Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2016, 05:05:50 pm »
Ah, that's possible. I copied the link from the Vera support site but I may have copied the wrong one. its 5PM now so I think I'll wait until Tuesday morning now so I have all day to suffer through the consequences of the "upgrade" :)
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Re: Upgrading Two Vera3 to Two VeraPlus
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2016, 05:37:30 pm »
This document

http://support.getvera.com/customer/en/portal/articles/1840699-to-veraedge-from-ui5-on-veralite-vera-2-or-vera-3

describes the upgrade directly from Vera 3 UI5 to Vera EDGE UI7.

I thought that Vera EDGE and Vera PLUS both supported ZWave+ so what's different that this procedure won't work for Vera 3 UI5 to Vera PLUS UI7?

« Last Edit: July 25, 2016, 05:47:16 pm by clippermiami »
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