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Offline dannieboiz

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Anyway to improve trigger response time on motion?
« on: March 06, 2017, 04:19:13 pm »
I have motion sensors that trigger lights in various locations. However, things are not really happening as fast as I'd like to. On certain days, they'll react faster then on other days I'll be at the end of the hallway before the lights even start to come on.

I'm on a Vera3 in UI5 FWIW, with the sales on the VeraPlus, I'm wondering if that's what I need.

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Re: Anyway to improve trigger response time on motion?
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2017, 09:42:44 pm »
I use to use Z-Wave motions for this purpose. They were as you are experiencing, very slow to do turn lights on. On top of that, they had a 4 minute reset time before they would trigger again.
They were not doing what I wanted.

I just added a hard wired alarm system and interconnected it with my Vera Edge. Now I can use 15$ wired motions all around the home for both security and occupancy detection. It has sped up my on reaction time with my lights considerably. Usually (99% of the time) it is around a half second from the time my motion reacts to any movement, to the time the light is on.
With the reset time now at 0, I can turn the light on again at any time with the wave of my arm.

Upgrading your V3 to a newer Edge or Plus should help some but as I have never used a V3, I can not say. Maybe some more experienced users will chime in on that, but Z-Wave is still Z-Wave and you will always have more delay than any hardwired system.

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Re: Anyway to improve trigger response time on motion?
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2017, 09:59:25 pm »
I have motion sensors that trigger lights in various locations. However, things are not really happening as fast as I'd like to. On certain days, they'll react faster then on other days I'll be at the end of the hallway before the lights even start to come on.

I'm on a Vera3 in UI5 FWIW, with the sales on the VeraPlus, I'm wondering if that's what I need.

Check your logs using the ELVira excel macro enabled log viewer on this forum. Try to spot the issue first. I have given up adding more plugins to the VeraLite and am so very happy I removed things like the Nest that were causing Luup restarts and some slow performance. It is possible you have similar conditions. But in my opinion if you can fix this issue, save the money until you need the Plus. I like to prove the unit is truly broken before buying a new one.

I also use AltUI to initiate a new heal and check the logs afterward. Have you moved any devices or changed anything else?

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Re: Anyway to improve trigger response time on motion?
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2017, 08:02:11 am »
Hi,

Can you associate the sensor directly to the light module? I use this for several switches so I have no delay  caused by te (Vera) controller and I can still control the lights when the controller is down for what ever reason.

In you motion sensor go to Device Options and pick the light module in the correct association group. You have to look in the manual of the sensor for the correct group ID to use.

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Re: Anyway to improve trigger response time on motion?
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2017, 02:43:40 pm »
Hi,

Can you associate the sensor directly to the light module? I use this for several switches so I have no delay  caused by te (Vera) controller and I can still control the lights when the controller is down for what ever reason.

In you motion sensor go to Device Options and pick the light module in the correct association group. You have to look in the manual of the sensor for the correct group ID to use.

Cheers Rene

Wooooow you just blew my mind.
I see this option in the sensor. Never paid much attention to this.
Got me curious, so I looked at our light switch instructions below. According to the light switch we carry, the WD/S-100 "Lifleline Association" instructions I would associate this light to group 1 and only group 1 with a limit of 5 devices total I can add to this group.
Once the group is created I can add this sensor to the light group and control this group directly from the sensor without the controllers intervention or the controller even being on?
http://www.007systems.com/uploads/2/1/1/9/21192470/wd100_install_en_v1.5.pdf
« Last Edit: March 10, 2017, 05:02:58 pm by Jamr »

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Re: Anyway to improve trigger response time on motion?
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2017, 03:41:31 pm »
Once the group is created I can add this sensor to the light group and control this group directly from the sensor without the controllers intervention or the controller even being on?
Yes, the idea of association is that the sensor talks directly to the device. As well as to the controller if that is on.

Let me know how it went.

Cheers Rene
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Re: Anyway to improve trigger response time on motion?
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2017, 03:55:02 pm »
@jamr

From your comments I am wondering if you have it the correct way round. The association has to be set up in the sensor and not in the light switch.
Apologies if you did have it correct.

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Re: Anyway to improve trigger response time on motion?
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2017, 04:14:57 pm »
Slartibartfast is correct, it doesn't matter what the switch supports don't touch anything on that.  You need to update the sensor.

What sensor do you have?  Some support On only which means it triggers on motion, but you control when it turns off (like via a scene).  Or support on/off which means the switch will turn off on motion and off on motion end (sometimes with a delay).

The biggest thing to watch out for mixing zwave+ with non-zwave+ devices.  This something breaks direction association (it will get configured ok but then do nothing).  If they are mixed there may be additional settings you have to setup on the motion sensor.


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Re: Anyway to improve trigger response time on motion?
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2017, 11:46:32 pm »
Ahhh that is a bit confusing because the light switch directions say "You can associate up to 5 Z-Wave devices to group 1" I figured you would have to associate the lights to a group, then you can trigger them with a sensor. But from what I am gathering here is the light switches are already in group 1? So if I have 10 of these switches in my home they are all in group 1?
So if all of these switches are automatically in group 1 then a sensor when told to trigger group 1 will trigger all of the lights automatically?
I am testing a ecolink motion. http://www.007systems.com/ecolink-motion-sensor-pirzwave2-eco.html

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Re: Anyway to improve trigger response time on motion?
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2017, 03:51:14 am »
Jamr,
The group 1 in each of your light switches is the name of a group which will be switched by the light switch itself. Any devices you include in group 1 will be operated when you manually operate the switch. Many switches will have group 1 but they are all different group 1's.
You will need to look for a group 1 (or other name) in the sensor. You add your light switch to that group so that whenever the sensor operates then the switch operates too.
As shallowearth said, you need to see from the manual what the group in the sensor will do. If it associates the on only then the light will turn on with motion and you need a scene for turn off. If it associates on and off then the light turns on with motion and turns off when the sensor untrips.

Good luck

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Re: Anyway to improve trigger response time on motion?
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2017, 03:52:09 am »
The word group is misleading.  Group really just means what behavior will happen in the direct association (like on/off or on only like I described).  The switches are just dumb switches in this case and know nothing about direct association and aren't part of any group.  In fact the switches don't have to support direct association at all since they don't need to control the sensor.

You set up the association on the sensor using usually group 1 or 2 (just do what the instructions say for your sensor) and point it (using "set") at the switch or switches you want it to control.  The switch will now receive command directly from the sensor using the behavior defined by group 1 or 2, etc.

It is the "set" that defines what switches the sensor will control and the "group" that defines the behavior for that "set"

Confusing I know..

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Re: Anyway to improve trigger response time on motion?
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2017, 10:24:46 am »
2xVeraLite, VeraEdge, openLuup, ALTUI, 20 switches, 10 dimmers, 20 sensors, 10 scene controllers, 1 Harmony Hub, many plug-ins. Not enough time.